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Title: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 14, June, 2011, 02:10:41 AM
Have you ever used a fake name on a real-name based site... It's kinda more sad and disturbing than a quiet forum when you do get caught.

I signed up a LONG LONG time ago at facebook as Charleys Drpepper, I only had like 6 friends maybe.. and now.. after checking my emails.. I decided to go on the site again.. and .. I've just noticed I've been suspended.

(http://i54.tinypic.com/zxw8s9.png)

Gosh, I hate the thought of filling out the form...---

.EDIT: ..  Being limited to a certain number of name changes to begin with discourages me from using a real name.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Rolina on 14, June, 2011, 03:26:43 AM
Oh... oh god...  That has so many privacy violations just screaming at me right now...

More proof that social media sites like this are very very bad things.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Menaus on 14, June, 2011, 06:12:13 AM
Add to that they let the government 'monitor' everyone. It was just a few weeks ago that a 13-year-old-boy was visited by the secret service because he made a wall post telling Obama to watch out for bombs because Osama just got 'executed'
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Rolina on 14, June, 2011, 06:22:08 AM
Do you have a source for that?  I'm not just gonna take your word for claims like that, you know.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Salanewt on 14, June, 2011, 07:34:01 AM
Eh, they seem to have ignored me most of the time. Then again, there are ways to use fake names without them knowing about it. One could just scramble up their real name if they wanted to.

Being told that you have to use a real name, and then having the name censored because it matches that of a celebrity is ludicrous (it never happened to me when I tried for fun, but others have).
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 14, June, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
QuoteAdd to that they let the government 'monitor' everyone.
Definitely true! You see quite a few events on the news about how the police were able to catch criminals.  Etc.

QuoteIt was just a few weeks ago that a 13-year-old-boy was visited by the secret service because he made a wall post telling Obama to watch out for bombs because Osama just got 'executed
Hmm.. there seems like two ways to view that message. 1.) He could be threatening Obama that he's the bomber. or 2.) (Which is the most likely one.) He is warning Obama what Osama's people will probably do. .. Or wait, there's a part two to that one? What if the kid is hinting something that he knows of a bombing that will happen?


QuoteEh, they seem to have ignored me most of the time. Then again, there are ways to use fake names without them knowing about it. One could just scramble up their real name if they wanted to.
Yeah, but... if enough people know you and that you have a fake name... I think they'd report you for it? I think... Also, by having a fake name, it was also more difficult for me to requests friends freely with a group of people to try and avoid that situation to a certain degree.  (I don't imagine facebook to have the interest in looking at each person individually without any suspicion... They probably can use some search functions.)


QuoteBeing told that you have to use a real name, and then having the name censored because it matches that of a celebrity is ludicrous (it never happened to me when I tried for fun, but others have).
It nevers happens to you.. hmm by the way.. How many people know about your fake account(s)?
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Shinigami on 14, June, 2011, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Role on 14, June, 2011, 03:26:43 AM
Oh... oh god...  That has so many privacy violations just screaming at me right now...

More proof that social media sites like this are very very bad things.
I agree with Role. When my mother tried to get me to join Facebook (she had just found some of my old friends on there) I said no, more to make a point than anything else (you can always not fill in the profile). I was already upset when I heard that a video containing me might be put on my schools website. <--- Didn't happen eventually. Not because of me though. The teacher did send it via e-mail to someone though. At least, he said he did.
If my real name got onto any websites, be they social networking or not, I would really, really hate the person who caused it to appear there. Probably for ever. You never know who is backing up parts of the internets without anyone knowing...

As they say, what is put on the internet stays on the internet.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Marin on 14, June, 2011, 01:58:19 PM
I've always stood against sites like Facebook which infringe on what I believe should be basic rights of the internet. I always will. Their ridiculous, unfair, and horribly impractical name policy is just the tip of the ice berg demonstrating their sick ideological nonsense to try and /force/ us to behave through implied threats of real life implications. :fury:

In my honest opinion... the internet, with it's safety in anonymity, has proven that many people are willing to be good people without being forced. Therefore, I can not support this terrible, terrible movement Facebook has going on.

Facebook. It can kiss my butt.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Salanewt on 14, June, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
Facebook seems to be trying to remove safety from Internet. You never hear of anyone named "Richgirl145" getting her house robbed because she posted her username and some anonymous information about her. No, you hear of Timmy or Joane getting robbed for posting their full names, all of their friends' names, contact information, and adding complete strangers to view an account; all because of a false sense of security.

QuoteFacebook. It can kiss my butt.

From what I understand, that is what they are doing to millions of people to get them to relax before they... :!:
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 14, June, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
I believe their purpose was to get in contact with the people you know in life... (Like the type of people who would know your name to start out with.)

but because this is on the internetz that also seems to get us adding strangers and just plain internet friends as well... soo...

Anyway, do note that if you apply for a job, it could be quite likely they will google you, find your facebook profile.. and friend you with a fake name to see what you are like, and if they can trust you. (Sometimes, it might be a romantic type fake girl? I've never had this happen, but I have heard that they can do this kind of stuff.)

Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: dwkjohn on 15, June, 2011, 12:32:21 AM
I have been using the name David Johnson for almost 2 years. they believe he is real. I looked myself up and found all kinds of crap about him...me...fake me. whatever. still, if the name you use sounds legit and your info is consistent, then you don't need to worry about that stuff.

and no, theinfo on David Johnson was not actually someone named David Johnson that lives near me, there is no david johnson in fayette county.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 15, June, 2011, 01:12:10 AM
Hehehe.. Just wait until you hear what I have to say..

I've been googling and it looks like there are also FALSE POSITIVES!!!!!!

For example... the Kate Middleton below, who's real name is Kate Middleton got caught for using a fake name of Kate Middleton.

http://www.allfacebook.com/facebook-suspends-another-real-kate-middleton-account-2011-04

Apparantly there just happens to be another famous person with the same name.

Usually when something like that happens you can email them and they get you back up.

Hmm... http://scobleizer.com/2008/01/03/ive-been-kicked-off-of-facebook/

They are like too over restrictive. Does any other site moderate names more than Facebook? All this fake name stuff makes me want to call them Fakebook.


EDIT:
QuoteDavid Johnson
Oh yeah, hey David, how many friends do you have? And do you think that if people report you... that they would probably suspend you for fake name as well..?? Afterall, I did have Charleys Drpepper  in perfect status for quite a long time... (Probably about 2 years as well, but I don't remember.... I know it's been ATLEAST 1 year, though.)
I think most importantly, you just have to watch out for what you do..
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Shinigami on 15, June, 2011, 01:30:27 PM
Would one of you(who has Facebook) mind searching the name "Zaphod Beebelbrox" on Facebook and posting the number of results here?
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Hoopa on 15, June, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
There's about 12. Why?
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: leaf on 15, June, 2011, 02:30:29 PM
The internet without anonymity is a failure. Facebook infringes upon that anonymity, and therefore facebook is a failure. The truth is, you could get away with a fake name easily, so long as it sounds believable. As proof, I still see contact requests for my fake facebook profile I set up years ago when I check my junk mail.

People who live in countries that force them to use their real name on the internet get blocked from creating accounts on youtube, and honestly, that's how it should be on the entire internet. Having a site require your real name when you aren't buying anything from them is completely and utterly unnecessary. I don't care if giving your real name is an option, but when it's required and is put on display for everyone to see... I'd rather not.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 15, June, 2011, 05:30:32 PM
Sweet! Everyone here has a similar opinion.

It would have been much better should they have only required a name, instead of BOTH first and last. Oh well.. Just be glad that no one is actually forcing you to use their site.

ere's a side question to go along with this discussion: If google took over facebook (Not likely to happen unless it is for some unexpected reason), would they change the real-name policy, or keep it the same?

EDIT: Oh, how about if it was school related. (and not a social community, but for work for the teacher..) Would that affect whether you use your real name as well. (You would probably use a last initial, though.)
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: ScottTheAdept on 27, June, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Actually, at my school, almost everyone (this includes teachers) has a Facebook account.

Everyone who asks me "Hey you should add me on Facebook" or something to that extent gets a, "Sorry, I don't use Facebook. If I wanted to post my real information somewhere it would probably be for a job or buying something. Facebook is not my thing."

Now a few teachers think that since "everybody has a Facebook" they can message them about schoolwork and extra credit and other such nonsense. Nonsense being the Facebook messaging. I miss out and grades are hurt slightly. But whatever. I can fix it.

I'm betting if google did attempt a massive takeover of facebook... I see that the results could go two ways.
1) Results are catastrophic and one or both sites fall apart, or
2) Assimilation is successful and people can join with whatever they please as a username. No real name required.

I know it's been about twelve days since the last post, but I wanted to say something, you know?
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 28, June, 2011, 04:25:52 AM
QuoteActually, at my school, almost everyone (this includes teachers) has a Facebook account.
Yeah, I remember when I was searching for people on there once, there were quite a large sum of people... Not just students from school, but also relatives. Eh..

QuoteEveryone who asks me "Hey you should add me on Facebook" or something to that extent gets a, "Sorry, I don't use Facebook. If I wanted to post my real information somewhere it would probably be for a job or buying something. Facebook is not my thing."
Hehe, a few people did ask me back when I was in school as well. Unlike you, a few I simply said I used a fake name.

QuoteNow a few teachers think that since "everybody has a Facebook" they can message them about schoolwork and extra credit and other such nonsense. Nonsense being the Facebook messaging. I miss out and grades are hurt slightly. But whatever. I can fix it.
Good thing I didn't have to worry about that.

QuoteI'm betting if google did attempt a massive takeover of facebook... I see that the results could go two ways.
1) Results are catastrophic and one or both sites fall apart, or
2) Assimilation is successful and people can join with whatever they please as a username. No real name required.
I believe Google did try to buy Facebook at one time, but I think they were unsuccessful. Now days you can use your Fb account to Connect to other websites. Not to mention, all the Fb Like buttons. Look at Runescape, neopets, addictinggames... They've all been plagued.  What has gotten in to this? I imagine if the government got into this, we would probably have to log in with a name or something to even be able to use the internet? Ouch. Looking at the number of people who use real names, you'd think this is a possibility, but then looking at the number of people who don't use real-names. I doubt this would happen. (Edit: It could help keep underaged people from saying they are an adult...)

QuoteI know it's been about twelve days since the last post, but I wanted to say something, you know?
Cool, I almost thought this topic would go dead.


Edit: Now shall we request for facebook features to be added in the Feedback forum? (Just kidding.)
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: dwkjohn on 28, June, 2011, 05:06:41 PM
logging in to the internet would suck. I would never be able to get on here without my mom knowing.

"adding facebook to the site."
I say this.
        _   _              __    __
o(#    /\    )==D))     /\    ")o
Title: Re: Real Name-based on the Internet of sites of real name of sites.
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 29, June, 2011, 07:12:43 AM
Quotelogging in to the internet would suck. I would never be able to get on here without my mom knowing.
You know, there might be programs out there that can limit Internet access, and that can also log URLs and stuff, etc., so, with or without the logging in... just be glad she doesn't know about it.
Quote"adding facebook to the site."
I say this.
        _   _              __    __
o(#    /\    )==D))     /\    ")o
You say wha? A bunch of random textual art? As for adding fb to the site, it sounds like more advertising, so I guess it would be better not to promote fb.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: dwkjohn on 29, June, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
yeah. my mom thinks she has the best security to keep me off the internet. nope. I can get through almost any security on the interenet. the school has a thousand dollar internet security system. I forgot what it was called but it took me about 2 minutes to get through it to the site I wanted. and left without a trace.

besides. I always have a copy of my information for any site like gmail or facebook. so if I get kicked out, I just recreate my accout with a different name. I have about seven names I use. david johnson (dwkjohn) is my most recent.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 29, June, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
That is awesome! Have you considered making any of them anagrams?

Examples:
Adrian       Andria, Ardina, Darian, Darina, Dinara, Indara, Iranda, Nadira, Radian
Andrew       Darwen, Warden
Brooke       Booker

Source: http://www.behindthename.com/anagram/

You having 7 fake accounts, you make me want another fake account... You think it'd be fun to have people join our group of fake accounts? Maybe we could have a title. "The Fakes of Life" ... actually, that title is dumb, I think there should be one that is well suited, though.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Rolina on 30, June, 2011, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: dwkjohn on 29, June, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
yeah. my mom thinks she has the best security to keep me off the internet. nope. I can get through almost any security on the interenet. the school has a thousand dollar internet security system. I forgot what it was called but it took me about 2 minutes to get through it to the site I wanted. and left without a trace.

besides. I always have a copy of my information for any site like gmail or facebook. so if I get kicked out, I just recreate my accout with a different name. I have about seven names I use. david johnson (dwkjohn) is my most recent.

That's not too hard.  They made tools on those TI calculators specifically for that purpose in my school.  Poor Fortress program never had a clue.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 23, July, 2011, 02:03:18 PM
Sadly, Charleys Drpepper has been disabled completely. I have left it sitting there without changing the name. Do they have some kind of time-limit or something. o.O.

I suppose it is time to create another account? That is ofcourse not named Charleys DrPepper. I was thinking about Lamar Stow, but.. (Atleast it's not lengthy.)
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: zman9000 on 29, July, 2011, 03:56:45 AM
O wow... this sucks.
I think I had a facebook account with a fake name way back... I should check it...
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Mion Sonozaki on 29, July, 2011, 12:21:52 PM
Methinks this is a marketing conspiracy and they are also selling info to government agencies.

Wouldn't be so unlikely, though I have yet to see it on wikileaks.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 29, July, 2011, 01:27:16 PM
Why do I get the feeling this topic is more about Facebook then Real-name sites... I didn't mean for it that way, anyway...

selling info to government agencies?
- Could they be sued?
- It would only make sense if that info was not public.
- Even if they are, it's not like everyone is forced to use Facebook.  I mean, a person could sign up with their real or fake name, grab all their friends, go to something like MSN, and then deactivate their Facebook account so no one sees them on it. And even so, could they know that the person with the name was in fact that person, or someone extremely close to that person? (etc.)

Edited. "real or fake name".. I forgot to double check my post.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Charon on 29, July, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
I don't really care. I mean, if you don't approve of the site, there's nothing forcing you to use it.

Most of the people on there aren't even the internet types anyhow.

It's like how here we don't allow posting ROM files. If you post ROM files, you go against our rules and we would ban you for at least 2 weeks. Facebook has a rule that it wants "real" names, and will suspend your account if you don't. You aren't required to be a member of Facebook if you don't want to and by being a member you acknowledge and agree to follow their rules and conditions of service.

The only time I think Facebook is in the wrong is when they ban a real name claiming its not. At that point I would make sure that Facebook would know that my name was Mobil Cocacola Pepsiman and nothing but. But most of the time it's not that.
Title: Re: Real Name-based Sites
Post by: Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas on 30, July, 2011, 06:43:07 AM
Yeah. They may be in the wrong there. Atleast they allow you to appeal... (You have to contact them with the email associated with the account, though.)

Speaking of emails.., has anyone heard about facebook emails? ( username@facebook.com ) Basically, when you send a message with it, it is formatted similar to messages, displaying name, profile pictures, etc.

I have not tried the New Thing yet, because apparently, you have to request for invite to get the New Messages upgrade.

http://www.facebook.com/about/messages/