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Salutations... :Sweat:

You need a profile to post so I signed up for one.  :NeutralStar:

Hello there, and welcome to GSHC! The Golden Social Hacking Community! Give your name, address, and number, and we'll get right with you in a bit. (Actually, don't, the forums and chatbox are good enough.)

Either way, we hope you enjoy the forums!

Hi! Sorry I'm late. This place is a bit of a ghost town now. Not even the moderator shows up anymore! It used to be fairly active once upon a time, but these days I don't see the members even lurking....

Thanks for the welcome.  Is there a way to contact someone capable of updating the websites' skin?

@Wolf: If there was, they probably left, just like everyone else.

Anyway, welcome to the Golden Sun Hacking Comm- :idea: Wait, can we even call this place a 'Community' anymore? There's only about 2-4 other people who still come here, so we may as well start calling this place the Golden Sun Ghost Town!

...-but it's not a town either!

Golden Sun Hacking Forums would be better.

The Golden Sun hacking bros. Yes that would do nicely, anyway, Hi Wolf! So do you plan on making a hack on golden sun? Or were you looking for some.

Neither at the time being.  Wanted a new place to hang out beyond the usual places I visit.  There's a lot to read in the GSHC archives.

QuoteThere's a lot to read in the GSHC archives.

Yes, there sure is, isn't there? Did you find anything of interest?

Dimensional Crisis looked hopeful.  The demo appears to be on hiatus.  Has there been any news about it other than the information in the forum?
What are coins for and how can they be acquired?

Social Hacking is when this happens:  http://theharmonyguy.com/oldsite/2010/04/10/facebook-platform-vulnerability-enabled-silent-data-harvesting/

Dimension Crisis is mostly dead because of a mostly inactive forum. Salanewt left, and Role/Rolina didn't have much faith in the project from there on, if I recall correctly.

Coins are for buying Badges in the shop. They are acquired by recieving them from other members. (You should click the [increase] button.) I just increased yours by 1, for example.

Badges are 50x50 images with no real purpose but for looks. They display in your profile, but I think you can choose one to display in a certain spot for every post.  Also, the Shop can be found in the navbar at the top of the page.

Hadn't visited the shop until now.  That's a lot of badges.  More questions; How can you implement your own badges?  Does respect do anything beyond showing a number?  Are inactive accounts still deactivated after the designated period of time mentioned in the forum?

QuoteMore questions; How can you implement your own badges?

They are simply cosmetics for all I know, so you can't really do anything useful besides displaying them in posts and in your profile. That may be one of the reasons why I never "bought" many. (I do buy Site Event ones, though, like April Fools and that one Halloween one.) I doubt that we'll ever have anymore site events, because Charon quit her admin position. (Or fired without being banned.) You can make badges (http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=747.0) if you'd like, but again, don't expect them to be added to the shop since that time Charon left her admin position... unless somehow Atrius adds them. (Which I don't think he ever had much to do with the Badge system in the first place?)

QuoteDoes respect do anything beyond showing a number?

Just a number based on the average of how many "likes" and "dislikes" your posts have had. (Since you can up a post or down a post.)

QuoteAre inactive accounts still deactivated after the designated period of time mentioned in the forum?

My bet is that Atrius still has the 6 month inactive account deletions for accounts with a post count of 0.

Whoa cool, a new member. Hello and welcome, Wolf.
As the others hinted at (well, more than hinted), these forums were once somewhat active but aren't really today. I see it as a lot of lost potential, which kind of hurts a bit. But if you have any interest in hacking Golden Sun, this is the place to be.

I mostly lurk here nowadays and usually check the forums daily or at least weekly... but now I've been without internet for a few days.

Yeah, this site was more active back in the days Salanewt, Charon, and Role/Rolina were actively on.... But now, none of those three seem to visit anymore? (If at all.)

-It has been stated that Charon does not ever want to return to her account. (I think she changed her password?)
-Salanewt left permanantly as well. (He changed his password as well.)
-Rolina ... (Some stuff happened (offsite, I think) that pretty much killed her enthusiasm for most things GS-related.)

Anyway, if you REALLY want to know what Social Hacking is, then read this: http://www.zdnet.com/government-agency-compromised-by-fake-facebook-hottie-7000022700/
I had a giggle when I read that for some reason... but it's not supposed to be funny.

Misery why did you choose that name?  The old "Misery loves company." line comes to mind since it is your forum name.

Teawater; According to the wolves, off-site politics cost Rolina a Golden Sun related position on another fansite.  Before this happened her computer had to be replaced and she lost most, if not all, of her data from the old one.

[hacking story] 
(http://th08.deviantart.net/fs48/200H/f/2009/233/2/d/Felix_Facepalm_by_PriorHero.png)

I don't think Misery has a real story with why he chose the name he did. See http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=1298.msg29686#msg29686

Ah. Thanks for letting me know that politics was the problem!  But yes, I do recall her once having a computer problem.  Do you think she'll ever find interest in Golden Sun again?  Even if it takes years to regain consciousness?  (Not sure why one should rely on one fansite to fully determine one's interest.)

Ugh... I feel I should try to explain/sort things out since I was around during that time, and I'm also pretty sure about which particular event triggered it. But my head is so full these days, I can't get myself to. Give me some time, will you. But in short, I don't think she's dissing Golden Sun forever, but she has realized the collective fan community is not strong enough to support her ideas.

I do have a few reasons behind my screen name... as for that post in the name thread, it was more or less meant as a joke, but I don't think anyone picked it up.

Judging from that hacking story, I guess Wolf isn't too hot on GS hacking after all. Oh well, still happy to have you here.
Actually, I've regained a bit of interest for it myself. After having introduced myself to the Etrian Odyssey games, I got some inspiration to continue with my current hack (which can be done with what I have available, no extensive code changes or anything). But yeah, that's a bit down on the list, meaning it won't happen anytime soon.

Ah.  Mind if I leave some self-notes here?

QuoteNovember 01, 2013, 06:41:10 AM - Misery - Don't forget about me! But I guess you can't exactly call me active... as for Role, some stuff happened a while ago that pretty much killed her enthusiasm for most things GS-related. >_>
November 01, 2013, 09:26:39 AM - Misery - Some disagreements with the staff on Adept's Refuge, and I think some disappointment with the fandom in general... but that's my take on it, I really should't speak for other people.

Quote from: WolfTeawater; According to the wolves, off-site politics cost Rolina a Golden Sun related position on another fansite.  Before this happened her computer had to be replaced and she lost most, if not all, of her data from the old one.

Quote from: MiseryUgh... I feel I should try to explain/sort things out since I was around during that time, and I'm also pretty sure about which particular event triggered it. But my head is so full these days, I can't get myself to. Give me some time, will you. But in short, I don't think she's dissing Golden Sun forever, but she has realized the collective fan community is not strong enough to support her ideas.

Is this everything?

From what I can tell, it looks like she was ranting about something that most everyone disagreed with. (However, no one was specific about exactly what that topic was... or topics. Politics and/or Golden Sun?) Just to make sure, but could I still find this "conversation" if I were to look for it at Adept's Refuge?

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QuoteI do have a few reasons behind my screen name... as for that post in the name thread, it was more or less meant as a joke, but I don't think anyone picked it up.

Hmm...

QuoteYou all have very well thought out reasons for your names...
I just went with something I like.

Reading it again....I'm not sure how anyone could not fall for the joke? (Unless they knew you had reasons beforehand.)

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Not sure if Wolf facepalmed because of me posting unrelated stuff, or if it was a tl;dr thing, or....

Quote from: Teawater on 25, November, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Is this everything?

We're discussing two different subjects here, what caused her to lose her position and what caused her to give up on the Golden Sun as a subject of her ambition. I have mostly been commenting on the latter.

QuoteFrom what I can tell, it looks like she was ranting about something that most everyone disagreed with. (However, no one was specific about exactly what that topic was... or topics. Politics and/or Golden Sun?) Just to make sure, but could I still find this "conversation" if I were to look for it at Adept's Refuge?

Finding the conversation would probably be impossible since it happened in the GSAR Skype chat. She wasn't ranting, and the topic was neither politics nor Golden Sun (I don't think "politics" was supposed to mean the kind that involves government). As I see it there were just a lot of misunderstandings going on, and everyone got too fired up to really listen to each other.

QuoteNot sure if Wolf facepalmed because of me posting unrelated stuff, or if it was a tl;dr thing, or....

I just interpreted it as the summary of his/her own hacking story. Hopefully he/she will comment on it himself. ^^'

Okay, so it's more like Rolina speaking a "different language"... Besides that, (and Rolina losing a position.) ... I'm still sort of left in the dark, but okay...

@"hacking story": Good point... now that seems too vague to understand. I guess I'll just ignore it until then.

Wha...!?  No, that was a facepalm of pity for the people who fell for the bait in the story.  (I was pressed for time and words weren't enough to express the pity. :P)

Aye, politics was referring to talk among the moderators, group leaders, or administrators.  Beyond the notice on the website all of Rolina's conversations regarding the incident disappeared including her comments on Skype or so I've been told.  She hasn't logged on the GSAR website since then.  The only other thing to mention is that some of the information lost on her computer was used for a signature project going on here and there.  [Edit: She has also been busy with Digimon fan stuff.]

As for Golden Sun related hacking and modding, I would need to check my resources to see what would be feasible.

Heheh. They got permission to use the photos for Emily Williams, as well as Executive approval to do all that hacking stuff ... I think for the purpose of showing the effect of Social Media, so yeah. My theory is that guys are sub-consciously attracted to women, and that's probably what happened. People might be more cautious about guy characters.

Oh, still though, nobody has told me what was being disagreed on. Also, what notice?

Oh, I guess you were commenting on Teawater's link... which was on the previous page, and I had already forgotten about it. orz
In any case, if you ever wonder what you can feasably do in terms of GS hacking, ask here on the site and we will answer.

Teawater... I'll make an attempt to tell you the full story someday. The disagreements were about the site's policies, I guess. Or perhaps I should say tendencies.

The notice I'm assuming Wolf is talking about is the notice that Role/Rolina was removed from her position as head of the Jovian Empire, aka the Jupiter Clan.

So it is as I thought: Related to my link. (Although, I had the wrong reasons.)

The site's rules? Thank you for the explanation, that cleared up some of the dust from my mind, as I know it is common for sites to have atleast one pitiful/thoughtless rule. :) And yeah, perhaps I'll make an attempt at waiting for the full story someday as well.

Annnnnnnnnnndd... this intro topic is flooded, but hey, it's something.

Quote from: Misery on 26, November, 2013, 08:21:53 PM
Teawater... I'll make an attempt to tell you the full story someday. The disagreements were about the site's policies, I guess. Or perhaps I should say tendencies.

Tell me as well. : P

Still not sure what "social hacking" is.  The links just left me confused.  I get that it really has nothing to do with the GSHC, but sort of on topic:  Have you guys ever done coding jams? Or hacking jams, as the case would be?  Where you all get together in a real or virtual space, and do some coding/hacking with company around?  I bet that'd increase your own hacking output, provide social pressure among the community to hack, and also facilitate learning and problem solving, since you'd have each other right there to ask simple questions too, or to get help from when you're stuck.

Quote from: Teawater on 22, November, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Yeah, this site was more active back in the days Salanewt, Charon, and Role/Rolina were actively on.... But now, none of those three seem to visit anymore? (If at all.)

-It has been stated that Charon does not ever want to return to her account. (I think she changed her password?)
-Salanewt left permanantly as well. (He changed his password as well.)
-Rolina ... (Some stuff happened (offsite, I think) that pretty much killed her enthusiasm for most things GS-related.)

Woah, that sounds like a lot of epic drama.  Who were these guys and what happened to them?  Did they have to change their passwords because you social-hacked them?..  How the heck would you know if they changed their passwords anyway?  You don't know my password do you?  Because that would be kind of embarrassing...

By my definition, I believe it's when you steal or illegally modify someone's private information via social networking. (Or something like that.)


As for virtual space... Naw, Don't think that'd help much because I think I'm the only one who's likely to build the next editor if one ever gets done. While everyone else might be too lazy or not have much idea what they are doing. Either way, if it is about finding and learning what data does, I usually recommend knowing the coding language being used in a ROM, anyway.


Those guys were active members. Did you check the forum statistics? They all have more posts than me, even though I've been the most active lately. And no, I didn't hack them. I know they changed their password because they said so themselves. I believe they changed their passwords to something they wouldn't know in an effort to keep themselves out of their account.

If those accounts do pop back up, it will likely be that they stored the new password in a document, or got help from Atrius. I'm willing to bet that Atrius, the owner of his domain, might have access to your password(?), but no one else on this forum should, if I had to make a guess?

Quote from: Teawater on 02, January, 2014, 12:06:06 AMI believe they changed their passwords to something they wouldn't know in an effort to keep themselves out of their account.

Woah. Sounds like the stuff of legends.  What happened?

I don't think any of them posted in this thread, so I didn't have a chance to look at the numbers under their user names.

There are some topics on the first page of the News and Announcements forum around April Fools 2012 where Charon got mad at Role/Rolina, I think... and eventually Atrius didn't like her attitude causing him to demote her to Probation. (My guess is temporarily.) If you didn't know, Charon used to be the second admin here. Shortly there-after, we never heard from her here again. Though, I'm sure you can find Salanewt, Charon, and Role on Skype, but I don't have any of them on my Skype. (I added Salanewt one time, but then he took me off because I wasn't on for a long time--I'm figuring people cleaning up their friend lists to keep only active people is more common than you think..) You might can find them on Youtube under different usernames as well.

I'm assuming you are not familiar with how SMF forums work, so here's where you can find the Forum Statistics:  (See attachment.)


Charon's last posts: http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?action=profile;u=35;sa=showPosts
Salanewt's last posts: http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts (He doesn't say anything about permanently leaving, but I think someone else does if you browse those topics.)
And no point in linking to Rolina's last posts, because I don't think she posted anything notable...

Thanks.  I just want to know the story of this place, and places like this (I'm probably not going to go looking for them on skype).  I assume all three were heavily invested, and then to suddenly split?  Seems like a story worth knowing, if only anecdotally.  Charon isn't linked to the third person on you Yoshi site, is he?  I imagine not, but the names are slightly similar, so I figured I'd ask.

edit.  Oops.  I meant "she."

Something like that, although... I'd say there's something special about each of them, I guess...

Charon, when she was admin, did Site Activities. (Like April Fools)... and Badges, etc.
Charon once registered on YL near its beginning, but she never was actually active on it.
Role never registered there, as far as I know. (And I don't think she cares for Mario/Yoshi stuff.)
Role, in my opinion, seemed more like a Critic? (Which can be useful to have, in the long run.)
As for Salanewt... He enjoyed hacking ROMs like I do... and usually comes to me for help and stuff.

So out of the people here, I can say that Atrius, me, and Salanewt know GBA assembly, and that Misery is catching on. (Or so it seems, as he was asking about SDL-H the other day.) As for everyone else, I can't say for sure who else knows...

Quote from: Teawater on 02, January, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
If you didn't know, Charon used to be the second admin here. Shortly there-after, we never heard from her here again.

Not entirely true, she posted here a little over a week ago.


For the record, the passwords on this site are stored as hashes so I can't see what anyone's is.  I could reset them to something different if requested though.

Atrius said it, not me.  I thought about saying it, but I was good!  I'm NOT telling anyone ANYTHING.  Nope.

Yeah, she did pop back up as Flash, but she never logged into her "Charon" account since then (as far as I know), so maybe I worded that wrong. (Or forgot to finish wording what I was saying.)

That sounds like useful information, Atrius. That means even if you did get hacked, no one else could view them either.

Charon was also a founder of the "clans, coins, the badge shop" and a key member in the infamous April Fools Day incident.  From what I've read she abused her power in a final bout before leaving.  The full story can be found in the forums.

Her return here under the guise of another user caught my attention, even if it was for a single post.  Maybe Charon will make another account assuming she hasn't done so already.

lol, yeah, I read through the last two April Fools threads-- Man, knowing what we know now, it's pretty weird to read... I'm sure there's a perfect French word out there that describes it.  I bet you guys aren't doing anything for April Fools next year.

Charon seems to have been a wiz with hacking/modding the forum code, and it seems that was her main form of play/fun on these forums, was, quite literally, playing with the forums.  Lol, it reminds me of a young godling having fun.  Sure, the mortals might think that the massive snow storm was an abuse of powers, but eh, anything for a laugh, right?

But that really bothered some of you guys?  How come?  And I'm asking this seriously. Forums are sort of a weird place with weird political systems, and weird deities (i.e. Charon and other mods/admins).  The world works differently here.  And I guess so would senses of self-dignity.  I'm not invested in this place (i.e. if people messed with me, I could just walk away), but if I were, I can imagine that having someone else change my name and avatar would be a gross violation of my virtual person-hood.  Is that what happened?

Or was Role just trying to bully Charon into being an extension of her informal power, and this idea that " a lot of people were mad at Charon" was basically a myth perpetuated by Role and her unwitting (or intentional?) allies?

as an aside:  I love this story of "gods and mortals," and some arch-magess trying to become a god.  Has anyone else here ever looked at forums as metaphor?

@Wolf: She also appeared as goldensunmaster97 specifically for April 2nd 2011. And she may have also been involved in the usage of Amylolz, along with some other members if I remember correctly. Once, I think she even used Tyrone. I think most of the accounts may have been deleted, but I can also say that there were other "duplicate" accounts made by other users. (Like 4 of them by Overlord Kain back in was it 2011? Probably for April Fools purposes to get each of them in a different clan. - Which ofcourse didn't work in the end.)

@Thunder: Nothing significant happened on April Fools of 2013, so you may very well be right about next year.

Perhaps, but it may also be possible that she used tools to help her with her play. For example, 2012 was about Trolling. sO sHe TyPeD lIkE tHiS tO iMmItAtE a CeRtAiN tRoLl. (terminallyCapricious or whatever) (Well actually, she converted her text to that format. Including changing all the descriptions and stuff on the forum index page.)


She actually did change avatar and names on April Fools. I think in 2011, it was up to us to get ourselves a Slowpoke avatar. (I forget the details.) But on 2012, she gave us Adept Trolls. (They looked like troll versions of the Ivan, Garet, Mia, etc.) as well as changing our names to something silly. Like me to questionableWater. (If I remember correctly.) I think she did me first, but I don't remember... probably over some April Fools play/argument. I don't think Role visted 4/1/2012, though, probably the next day or two. (I forget again.) And then Role was like not wanting to be a part of her April Fools, she probably did have her name changed and wanted her name back. (I forget what name she had, though.) But check the shoutbox way back near that time.

Edit:

QuoteApril 02, 2012, 02:46:37 PM - sadisticMagician - Charon, if you wanna keep doing that, you can, but AFD is over.  I want to return to my SN, to my avatar, and to my skin.

Yeah, that was Role alright...

Personally, I thought that the whole renaming/new picture thing was hilarious.  The problem Role had, I think, was that they were left that way for 3 or 4 days.  She said "It's not April Fools' Day anymore.  Change it back!"

Coincidentally, does anyone know how April 1st came to be known as "April Fools' Day"?

That sounds probable. Either way, I think Role is more about business than "kiddy-fun."

I'm not sure exactly, but I once read somewhere that it was once the start of a new year. (If I remember correctly.)

Quote from: Kioll on 05, January, 2014, 05:42:37 PM
Coincidentally, does anyone know how April 1st came to be known as "April Fools' Day"?

April's fools day has something to do with taping fish on the back? Or was that something else. Dont remember

"Adept Trolls" sounds hilarious. I mean it's so obviously a good-natured joke.  But yeah, if you don't like April Fools, just don't come in for a few days.  The friction with Role was obviously a long time and persistent problem (Charon said she'd been wanting out for months)... Guys, that was a serious problem.  Long term and steady harassment like the type Role was engaged in is actually a serious form of bullying.  I don't quite have the more informational links ready at hand, but I'd really encourage you to just block individual members like that so you don't have to hear from them.  Don't wait for mods to protect you.  Protect yourself.

Perhaps, but also remember that we each see the story from our point of view, so who knows exactly how Role saw it, and how Charon saw it.

Global Moderation
The big question I have is, how come I don't remember her ever being banned here at this site for "bullying"? I do remember Role used to be a Global Moderator at one point, but then she eventually got demoted. (Forgot why.) JamietheFlameUser was once a Global Moderator as well, but was one only for a while. (There's that one topic (http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=1514.75) that he didn't take responsibility for that caused his demotion. I was the topic creator of that topic, and that ofcourse, evetually led to Kain being our next GM.)

Forum Games
There was a time Role even threatened to get rid of the Forum Games forum (At a time after the demotion, I think.), complaining about how everyone goes in there to post spam. (Ban The User Above has the most
posts in this forum.) In the end, posts created in Forum Games no longer appear on the Recent Posts list. Now, hardly anyone ever goes to post in that forum.

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Or was Role just trying to bully Charon into being an extension of her informal power, and this idea that " a lot of people were mad at Charon" was basically a myth perpetuated by Role and her unwitting (or intentional?) allies?

I think "a lot" would be exageration. Atrius, Takumi (I think.), me, and one or two others seem to not like the extension of April Fools either. (Back at the time.)  Maybe in part, I was bothered that Charon banned me from trying to reveal the Troll program she used for converting her text. (Since there was a time when she posted an image with such an application in the task bar, but she updated her image to remove the evidence, and tried to remove where I reveal the program. If I said anything about it in the chatbox, she'd delete the entire message. If I posted in the forums, she'd edit my post, and replace the keywords with her own words or something.) ; And ofcourse, shortly thereafter, I was chatting on YL's chatbox to inform Salanewt the details. (Since he would be the main person I would be interested in speaking with, anyway.)

I do recall Salanewt, on the other hand, enjoying it.

@ Global Moderation; Forum Games etc:  I'll try and talk about them since you brought them up, but these are obviously things I'm not familiar with, and didn't explicitly bring up. But I'll do my best.

1) Global Moderation

You don't remember Role being banned for bullying because she wasn't ever caught for it.  Slow-burn, subtle stuff rarely gets caught, and mods tend to prefer to "keep the peace" rather than solve the problem.  This is an endemic problem we see all across the web, and it isn't confined to your community.  I think the big problem with Role was people thought her behavior was a short-term, temporary problem, when instead it was becoming an increasingly permanent and important part of her personality.

My question is: Why did such a little site like this require so many moderators?

2) Forum Games, and you being banned.

Basically, Teawater, you were not being punished.  If you feel you were being punished, then you've misunderstood the situation, and Charon's apologized to you about it already.  Looking a few posts above, you'll notice Kioll say something like "I'm not going to tell," and then you go ahead and basically tell everything.  While I thank you very much for that, why do you suppose Kioll was saying "I'm not going to tell?"

*Face-palm.*

1.) I was trying to say that I don't remember Charon ever banning Role (aka: Finding a way to get back, by looking for even the smallest evidence of rule-breaking.), but I see it was a mistake to announce that. So nevermind.  Especially when you consider how much Role helped keep this community alive (See her post count.), so I can see how difficult that may be. ; What gave you the idea we thought it was short-term/temporary? To me, she's always been the type of drama person. -- Perhaps making it somewhat harder to enforce rules, since her personality would be to blame.

2.) Yes, I know I wasn't being "punished"... but I don't look at pretend banning as being a joke. (Unless there's some decent meaning for it-and I'm not the only one.) I even posted a screenshot of the ban message once, and it wasn't exactly the type of kind message I'd want, either.  I do, however, accept her apology. (If I haven't said it before, which I don't think I did.) ; There was also a point where she said she would explain about it over PMs, but I believe I thought to myself that I was perfectly fine with it being explained in the topic, but I don't think I said anything about that..

Also, we only had one Global Moderator at any given moment, as far as I know. When one gets fired, another gets hired. (I think.) ; The most staff at any given moment was probably 5. (2 admins, 1 GM, and 2 mods... back when this was GSHC Classic.)

He wasn't going to tell, because he doesn't want to get involved in the "negative" things that go on in this Community?


You say everything? Meh. Perhaps I should just leave the rest of the details out. (And even if I did say everything, I'm sure a ton of it would probably be misleading, and it doesn't help when you consider how much time it would take to go through it all.)

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Edit: I guess it is fair enough to say that behavior can be contagious as well. With the sub-conscious mind and all.

fair enough.  I think I've caught up on all the old dirt anyway.  Basically, once the "fun and games' stopped on the forums, the "non workers" basically took off, leaving only behind the supposed 'hard core.'

... no, wait.  That doesn't quite add up...

Quote from: Thunder-squall on 06, January, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
mods tend to prefer to "keep the peace" rather than solve the problem.

Looking a few posts above, you'll notice Kioll say something like "I'm not going to tell," and then you go ahead and basically tell everything.  While I thank you very much for that, why do you suppose Kioll was saying "I'm not going to tell?"

In truth, I've known about Charon's return to the site for a while.  I talk to her on Skype.  Also, Sala.  In truth, I know pretty well what's going on with the topics you've brought up.  And in truth, it's not my story to tell.

In truth, Role may or may not have been bullying.  But to be fair, some of us have bullied back, I suppose.  In truth, I've done some of that myself.  In truth, I've always hated mods that are about "keeping the peace", and have never been that kind of mod when I've been a mod.  If you're a mod and the community loves you 100%, you're doing something wrong, usually.

In truth, this whole story is probably better off buried.  In truth, I'm certain that several people know more than they've told here.  And in truth, you've learned about all that you will about this story from the site itself.  The only way to learn more is to talk to Role, Charon, and Sala themselves, and find out from them what you seek.  Because frankly, as much as I know about this, in truth, it's not my story to tell.

I'm totally dropping the subject, because these are strangers who I don't know nor care about.  But maybe a week ago or so I found myself reading through the old April Fools threads, and then some other stuff.  The opinions and guesses I've formed on the subject from that are my own (incorrect as they may be).  The only thing I'll say on the subject is "don't feel bad about blocking people," and "block people sooner rather than later."  You can always unblock them as needed.

But lol, sorry Wolf. This was your introduction thread.  How've you been enjoying the place so far?

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In truth, I've known about Charon's return to the site for a while.  I talk to her on Skype.  Also, Sala.  In truth, I know pretty well what's going on with the topics you've brought up.  And in truth, it's not my story to tell.

In truth, Role may or may not have been bullying.  But to be fair, some of us have bullied back, I suppose.  In truth, I've done some of that myself.  In truth, I've always hated mods that are about "keeping the peace", and have never been that kind of mod when I've been a mod.  If you're a mod and the community loves you 100%, you're doing something wrong, usually.

In truth, this whole story is probably better off buried.  In truth, I'm certain that several people know more than they've told here.  And in truth, you've learned about all that you will about this story from the site itself.  The only way to learn more is to talk to Role, Charon, and Sala themselves, and find out from them what you seek.  Because frankly, as much as I know about this, in truth, it's not my story to tell.

Yeah, in the end, my thoughts go towards it being a story worth not being told, yes. But sometimes history can be interesting. (Like how a company designing something you like started.) And if a story you tell is deemed misleading, or someone interprets it wrong... it's definitely doing more harm than good. And there's nothing wrong with not knowing the details at all. (You know that saying: What you don't know can't hurt you. - Although, it's not entirely correct, in my opinion... Since metaphorically... knowledge is freedom.)

@bullied back: One example of how behavior can be contagious...

Hmm... About the community loving you 100%. It all just depends on if members follow rules or not. If everyone is following the rules perfectly, I don't see how it would hurt for a mod to be loved 100%?

Quote from: Teawater on 07, January, 2014, 01:28:49 AM

Hmm... About the community loving you 100%. It all just depends on if members follow rules or not. If everyone is following the rules perfectly, I don't see how it would hurt for a mod to be loved 100%?

Lol, that's a bit "IF."  I got nothing against rules, but I tend not to trust them.  Too often they tend to be tools of some against the other.  Things like mercy and leniency have philophical weight precisely because our greatest thinkers have long since understood the fallibility of law.  And perhaps as a tangent, I think it's interesting how stuff like Carnival, the Masquerade, or the Bacchanalia exist-- things which specifically turn rules on their head.  I suppose the biggest thing I disagree with Charon's April Fool's stuff was that it was non-consensual, but hey, at least now you don't have her here bothering, so congratulations.  May law, order, and peace reign.

Quote from: Thunder-squall on 07, January, 2014, 01:24:02 AM
But lol, sorry Wolf. This was your introduction thread.  How've you been enjoying the place so far?

@Thunder-squall;  No problem, I am glad to see the thread managed to host a few spontaneous discussions.  More activity is a good thing.  All this moderator talk is making me wonder if any positions are open.

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Neither at the time being.  Wanted a new place to hang out beyond the usual places I visit.  There's a lot to read in the GSHC archives.

O yeah, you're primarily here just for the sake of activity, right?  What's the type of forum-stuff you typically like engaging in?  Is it the topics, or just the meta-aspect of being part of a group?

Just as it may be possible that no one can follow the rules/laws perfectly, I also doubt that no one can be loved by 100% of the community by a similar effect. (Over time, someone has got to slip up, no one is perfect.)

And I suppose we can think of Charon as family. (Sort of) ... And in one or two teensy ways, maybe even in thought of this quote.: "Can't live with them, can't live without them.".... However, that might not be the quote I was looking for. (Since I'd be more willing to have her than not.)



@Moderation: I'm wondering if any positions are open as well. (That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm planning on taking a position, simply just wondering is all.)

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Quote from: Wolf on 20, November, 2013, 12:35:45 AM
Neither at the time being.  Wanted a new place to hang out beyond the usual places I visit.  There's a lot to read in the GSHC archives.

O yeah, you're primarily here just for the sake of activity, right?  What's the type of forum-stuff you typically like engaging in?  Is it the topics, or just the meta-aspect of being part of a group?

That's part of the reason.  For this type of website; Random Golden Sun related discussions and off topic rambling on various subjects.

When someone has mod powers, I wonder what kind of relationship that *forces* him or her to have with people:  family, friend, far-removed judge?  After Charon left, for example, a favored opinion seemed to be to have an outside become a moderator, so they could apply the law fairly.  And I do agree with that, since laws are the stable back-drop against which we can have healthy relationships.  But then it's almost as if those people who enforce the law are no longer free to be people.

But what I'm really thinking of now is my dad (whoa, way to get personal, right?), and how he sometimes kids around.  The problem is that when he does (he's quite mean spirited), it often causes problems because people in the family are overs sensitive to him.  Rather than brushing him off like the moron he sometimes can be, they get wounded.  It's kind of a lose-lose situation for everyone.

I don't think it *has* to be lonely at the top, but clearly it's still too often the case.

One of the problems with having an outside come is that they aren't "addicted" to this forum. So you cannot reasonably say that they will be active, and if they are... whether they be devoted. Even so, they'd probably end up quitting or becoming inactive over a long period of time. (Unless maybe they are modding for benefits like money?) ; And even if they did stay, they would eventually start forming bonds with people in the community (Even offsite, like on Skype) , and we would get to the point where it probably wouldn't be much different had someone else in the Community became a mod? (Hard to know.... Just hiring anyone as a moderator will be a change regardless-- I think that the people in the community will likely understand what is implied by the rules more than an outsider... when it comes to the level of strictness... soo?.)

One opinion that I had is let the people decide who's breaking the rules. If someone gets flagged, the moderators should look into it. - In some cases, the moderators can still take charge even when they are not flagged, though, but the consequences could be slightly less severe.

On one hand this topic has gone extremely off.  On the other it's activity so I don't think I'm really in a position to say anything.  Especially since I just lurk around and handle bots these days.

On that note, hello user who I have failed to greet for the LONGEST time.  The name is Kain, overlord of comedy, a pleasure to make your laughter.  If ya have any questions feel free to ask em or PM me if you don't want a public display.  If the questions interesting I may even get back to you within the month!

(I kid.  I'm fairly quick about replying to PM's.)

In the spirit of off-topic, where's your avatar from?  And is it a cry for help?

Quote from: Overlord Kain on 09, January, 2014, 06:29:50 AM
On one hand this topic has gone extremely off.  On the other it's activity so I don't think I'm really in a position to say anything.  Especially since I just lurk around and handle bots these days.

A display of sound judgment IMHO, that doesn't seem to be the kind of moderation this forum needs at the moment. However, everyone should keep in mind that it's not doing future readers any favors (since most likely, nobody will find this discussion in the future).

Quote from: Thunder-squall on 09, January, 2014, 07:17:50 PM
In the spirit of off-topic

You're tempting fate, I tells ya.

It's from a show called Game Center CX.  It's about an older comedian who plays retro style video games.  You can watch the series on youtube.

Cry for help...possibly.  I wasn't in the best of moods when I put the avatar up.

@Misery:  Not a whole lot I can really do as a moderator but if that's what you think then alright, I'll change tactics.  Topic locked, take this to general discussion.