How do you do it? Why do you do it?
Often times worlds are said to be built by accident, but sometimes they're built for a purpose. Truth be told, I've only ever built worlds after I've had some sort of story to tell, or a concept to flush out. In that context, the worlds I built were mostly cradles or wombs-- They were secondary characters, rather than independent characters in and of themselves, and I know many who critique that.
So I guess this thread is to talk about the worlds we've built, and how or why we've built them.
Start with a seed and make it grow. You start with the protagonist's starting town and culture, then you describe what the region is like - such as geography and what the major economic sources are (mining, farming, fishing, etc), then the country and it's political details and overarching culture. Then you make its neighbors. You expand to the continent. You keep at it, eventually stopping when you've made the whole world.
Then you define the rules of the world. Is magic a thing? What kind? Do they use traditional magic? Arcane and Divine like D&D? Psionic like Golden Sun? Then you define the rule of that magic - what it can and cannot do. Then you NEVER BREAK THOSE RULES EVER. Because if you do the fanbase will kill you. Even if you don't have one, they'll hunt you down and put a pipebomb in your mailbox. Just don't do it - it messes everything up when you break the rules. Define the level and style of tech. Modern Tech? Medieval Tech? Steampunk? Magitech? Pick a tech level and style and never deviate from it. In a low magitech world, for instance, you don't want to suddenly introduce magic guns, which should be a mid- to high-tech level.
Next, go back to the characters. What is their backstory? Don't get too detailed yet, just the general gist of who they are and what they're like. From that, you can name them pretty easy, as well as better define their roles in the story. Do this for all the characters. ALL of them, not just the heroes, but the villains you want, and any important character you have in mind.
Finally, you can work on story. As you go through the story, any major character you come up with should have the character step done for them as well. You'll find that stuff comes together a lot easier when you have this skeleton to work with and flesh out.
In another thread, I just raised the idea that the planet over which Weyard lies may have already succumbed to dark energy, and that Weyard managed to survive the darkness by harnessing the power of the gods.
So then what of the world below? If it was nothing but darkness, could sentient life re-emerge from that darkness? And if it managed to remerge, might an onlooker from Weyard brave the journey down to bring them fire (a la Prometheus)? I think that'd be an interesting story to tell, and an interesting world to explore. And this is basically an example of what might get me down the path to world building.
I also wonder if, by fear that the darkness of the planet may have sensed the presence of alchemy in Weyard, and may have come for it, that the Ancients then had to abandon Weyard, leaving behind what we see on Weyard today.
...Please don't take offense, but... The hell are you talking about?
From what I gather, here's a quick outline of her post.
-Planet is made up of dark energy.
-Weyard is on this planet.
-Weyard survives due to the Gods.
-I think paragraph two is about if there's life under Weyard. (Underworld?)
-For fear that darkness realizes alchemy is on Weyard, the Ancients leave.
Yep. Basically. The planet below is engulfed in dark energy, and a few escape it by building the drifting continent of Weyard (or something like it, since this is its own world), as sort of an [Noah's] Ark.
The next suggestion was that the god-beings on Weyard try to recreate life on the dark planet, using methods which paralleled other creation myths. Such Prometheus bringing down fire, or maybe shooting down beams of light ('let there be light')
...Why must people insist that a clearly flat world is round? What's with you wacky Round Weyard Atheists? :P
At least that explains it a bit, though. I was all "wait, where'd she get this from? Are we still talking about GS?" Personally, I subscribe to a different view, as you can see from my opening tease. I believe in Flip Side theory, where there's two sides to Weyard's flat world. Two completely different sets of Elemental Stars, of heroes and antagonists, of countries and continent. The way I like to flavor it is that it's a literal flip of the "top side" - so stuff like Katanas and Samurai would be considered "Western things", while stuff like European knights and kings would be a more "eastern" culture, so to speak.
It also explains the Psynergy Vortexes. The top side lit their golden sun before the bottom side, so pressure started building up. Eventually, that high pressure escapes to where the area of lower pressure is, and that's what a psynergy vortex is. On the flip side, they have violent Psynergy Storms instead, and once they started happening, the heroes abandoned their quest, thinking that by unleashing the power of alchemy they were actually the ones causing this. Supposedly, GS4 or 5 would fix this, and later in the future, where my stories take place, it's no longer an issue.
Summon animations feature a round planet. Round planet is round.
TLA clearly shows a flat planet, and you can reach every edge. Flat planet is flat.
Summon animations also pretty much destroy the planet, so your argument is also that the heroes blew it the heck up instead of saving it...
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 01, May, 2014, 07:08:42 AM
1) Summon animations feature a round planet. Round planet is round.
2) TLA clearly shows a flat planet, and you can reach every edge. Flat planet is flat.
Summon animations also pretty much destroy the planet, so your argument is also that the heroes blew it the heck up instead of saving it...
...What if both are right? We can't discard an idea that easily...
How could a world be flat and the planet be round?
Pretty sure Weyard's not a deflated balloon - that's the only explanation I can come up with.
Another argument against Round Weyard - at no point, in any game, do you experience the world looping that most RPGs do in their world maps to simulate round planets. If you go all the way west, you will reach the literal end of the world, and will have to go all the way back west just to reach the western side of things. In fact, I'm pretty sure Gaia Falls exists in DD, so this should be blatant even there.
Also, would like to point out. Thunder-squall's idea? The floating land over dark planet? That's literally the setting of Final Fantasy 3. Not may game worlds at all do the flat world thing - so to be honest I'd actually prefer it if we didn't just do what final fantasy did twenty years ago. Weyard being flat makes it feel somewhat special.
Quote from: Rolina on 01, May, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
TLA clearly shows a flat planet, and you can reach every edge. Flat planet is flat.
Summon animations also pretty much destroy the planet, so your argument is also that the heroes blew it the heck up instead of saving it...
TLA shows the edges of Weyard, not the planet. Beneath Weyard is a major gravitational force. Beneath Weyard are clouds.
No summon animations destroy the planet, but do cause devastation over the surface of the planet, perhaps giving some insight into what happened in the past.
The following isn't evidence, but the puzzles of Dark Dawn feature metaphors for star constellations, and the movement of heavenly bodies. Even if Weyard itself doesn't exist in a physical space, there is a physical space to which Weyard is connected. Therefore it is not unreasonable to bring in a little science into this discussion of a magical world.
I am not so interested in whether you agree or not, but at least understand and respect why I hold the opinions I do.
Hmmm... How about we start building Weyard?
I catalogued every terrain type in Weyard, so we can begin creating our own ground tiles easily, I think.
I'm doing the same with all mountain types (making sprites of each one), but that will take me more time (not much).
When Alchemy is sealed world crumbles into nothing.
earthquake at Venus Lighthouse made
Idejima to drift away so summons can
damage weyard only when it's Alchemy power is sealed.
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 30, April, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
In another thread, I just raised the idea that the planet over which Weyard lies may have already succumbed to dark energy, and that Weyard managed to survive the darkness by harnessing the power of the gods.
Well I have not seen the thread yet, but it is more likely that Weyard was created to flee something rather than just created.
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 30, April, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
So then what of the world below? If it was nothing but darkness, could sentient life re-emerge from that darkness? And if it managed to remerge, might an onlooker from Weyard brave the journey down to bring them fire (a la Prometheus)? I think that'd be an interesting story to tell, and an interesting world to explore. And this is basically an example of what might get me down the path to world building.
I'm certain life can emerge there. In my story all kinds of monsters exist down there.
Also that could be an interesting story idea. Perhaps if you link this thing to saturos' 7 worlds idea, we might get something playable for the DC revival project.
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 30, April, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
I also wonder if, by fear that the darkness of the planet may have sensed the presence of alchemy in Weyard, and may have come for it, that the Ancients then had to abandon Weyard, leaving behind what we see on Weyard today.
Hmm, I'm gonna search some fanfics again on fanfiction.net. I thought I read one about something what you're talikng about.
BTW I think summons represent the elders (like Final Fantasy 6) that left, but stayed connected to Weyard or something like that.
Quote from: RolinaStart with a seed and make it grow. You start with the protagonist's starting town and culture, then you describe what the region is like - such as geography and what the major economic sources are (mining, farming, fishing, etc), then the country and it's political details and overarching culture. Then you make its neighbors. You expand to the continent. You keep at it, eventually stopping when you've made the whole world.
Well how about we make the DC revival world this way? These steps you came up with seem logical and give us some model to work with.
Quote...Why must people insist that a clearly flat world is round? What's with you wacky Round Weyard Atheists? :P
At least that explains it a bit, though. I was all "wait, where'd she get this from? Are we still talking about GS?" Personally, I subscribe to a different view, as you can see from my opening tease. I believe in Flip Side theory, where there's two sides to Weyard's flat world. Two completely different sets of Elemental Stars, of heroes and antagonists, of countries and continent. The way I like to flavor it is that it's a literal flip of the "top side" - so stuff like Katanas and Samurai would be considered "Western things", while stuff like European knights and kings would be a more "eastern" culture, so to speak.
It also explains the Psynergy Vortexes. The top side lit their golden sun before the bottom side, so pressure started building up. Eventually, that high pressure escapes to where the area of lower pressure is, and that's what a psynergy vortex is. On the flip side, they have violent Psynergy Storms instead, and once they started happening, the heroes abandoned their quest, thinking that by unleashing the power of alchemy they were actually the ones causing this. Supposedly, GS4 or 5 would fix this, and later in the future, where my stories take place, it's no longer an issue.
I've never read the Flip Side theory before. Initially I wanted something like this for my fanstory, but I abandoned the idea because of the theories posted on the "dem animal folk" topic.
It is also quite a good theory. Concerning Alchemy it would make sense.
@Weyard Round/flat:
Isn't there some kind of misunderstanding?
I guess Thunder-Squall is talking about the planet
underneath Weyard. And planets are round.
Quote from: KyleRunner...What if both are right? We can't discard an idea that easily...
How could a world be flat and the planet be round?
Both can be right. Or any theory that we come up with, unless it is totally based on nothing.
And what exactly do you mean with your third sentence?
Is it about whether Weyard is slightly curved or not?
Quote from: RolinaAlso, would like to point out. Thunder-squall's idea? The floating land over dark planet? That's literally the setting of Final Fantasy 3. Not may game worlds at all do the flat world thing - so to be honest I'd actually prefer it if we didn't just do what final fantasy did twenty years ago. Weyard being flat makes it feel somewhat special.
Yeah I get why you're conflicted, but as pointed out above I guess she's talking about the planet not Weyard being round?
Or isn't that the case anymore?
You are right though, if we want a really original game, we shouldn't use things of the past.
Quote from: SaturosWhen Alchemy is sealed world crumbles into nothing.
earthquake at Venus Lighthouse made
Idejima to drift away so summons can
damage weyard only when it's Alchemy power is sealed.
How exactly does that work? I can understand that when Alchemy is usealed it becomes a sort of cycle, that Psynergy is stored somewhere used, then stored again. But if Alchemy is unsealed how does it work?
Okay, so if Weyard is flat, then what size is the planet below? Weyard holds several continents within it, with the approximate surface area of the Planet Earth. If Weyard sits atop a fully round planet with proper Newtonian physics, then I have two questions...
First, why is Weyard not being drawn to this supermassive planet? How is it not crushed by such enormous gravitational forces?
Second, how big is Weyard in relation to the planet? Weyard has a full planetary ecosystem. Two poles and a tropical zone. Using newtonian physics, Weyard would have to be positioned in juuuust the right way that such a thing could even be possible - but if it's just a floating mass on a much larger supermassive planet, then why doesn't it have a unified/homogenized ecosystem? Why is it full planetary scale, when your claim is literally that it's not the size of a planet?
Quote from: Luna_blade on 02, May, 2014, 02:32:30 AM
Quote from: KyleRunner...What if both are right? We can't discard an idea that easily...
How could a world be flat and the planet be round?
Both can be right. Or any theory that we come up with, unless it is totally based on nothing.
And what exactly do you mean with your third sentence?
Is it about whether Weyard is slightly curved or not?
World: Weyard
Planet: ??? ==> insert anything our minds can build, as long there's no lore contradiction.
I guess my dichotomy is a little hard to understand...? Maybe the people, whose World is Weyard, can't even imagine there are inumerous others in the same Planet.
Dichotomy "World" and "Planet".
Quote from: Rolina on 02, May, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Okay, so if Weyard is flat, then what size is the planet below? Weyard holds several continents within it, with the approximate surface area of the Planet Earth. If Weyard sits atop a fully round planet with proper Newtonian physics, then I have two questions...
First, why is Weyard not being drawn to this supermassive planet? How is it not crushed by such enormous gravitational forces?
Second, how big is Weyard in relation to the planet? Weyard has a full planetary ecosystem. Two poles and a tropical zone. Using newtonian physics, Weyard would have to be positioned in juuuust the right way that such a thing could even be possible - but if it's just a floating mass on a much larger supermassive planet, then why doesn't it have a unified/homogenized ecosystem? Why is it full planetary scale, when your claim is literally that it's not the size of a planet?
Magic and zol. Weyard is a world of both magic and science, just as psyenergy adepts use both science and magic. I suspect the planet is a gas giant, and Weyard could be very much like a moon to it, or a satellite. The more popular opinion is that it's an elevated plateau, but I'm personally exploring the likelihood of it being a floating ark, due to the '
rule of cool' potential, and also just the evidence as I see it.
I do not think that even Rolina believed
her claim in red until she was trying to come up with objections, but the gas giant hypothesis happens to survive the claim that Weyard has approximately the same surface as the Earth (but really, is it a common opinion that Weyard is that big?). Compare the size of earth to the other, larger planets.
I believe that life on Weyard is only made possible through alchemy and inherent psyenergy, which might also be responsible for its elevated position. I had forgotten why I took this for granted, and so I did some digging, and found the source.
- KRADEN: Unless the lighthouse beacons are all lit, Weyard will eventually be destroyed.
- ISAAC: Destroyed? But...how? Why?
- PIERS: King Hydros, ruler of Lemuria, says that our world is steadily shrinking.
- SHEBA: Elemental energy drives the growth of civilization. Without it, we and our world will wither.
There's more here to discuss, but for the time being this information is sufficient to support the idea that Weyard defies the laws of physics using Magic, and if it stops defying the laws of physics, it will cease to be. I believe this supports my thesis that Weyard is a satellite to a planet, and I believe this is an argument against the "Weyard is just an elevated plateau" argument.
Speculation using additional information from Dark DawnDark Dawn has also given more reasons for believing that both the manipulation of psyenergy and science are vital to the persistence of Weyard. These are primarily seen through the puzzles to the Apollo Sanctum, as well as the final mechanisms found there. Dark Dawn provides evidence and clues that did not exist in the previous games, and which allows us to come up with better and more complete theories than those which existed in the past.
(so all y'all gba purists can suck it.)
I believe that Weyard's infinite flow of water is due to an alchemy engine on a scale similar to the one seen in Dark Dawn's Tiamat Summon (image attached). I believe the summons in Dark Dawn resemble characters that exist or once existed, and what I find striking about them is the fusion of magic and tech, as with Thor, and as with Judgement.
A lot of mythology speaks about the cusp of light and dark (typically through metaphors of sex between father sky and mother earth), and that brief union is where the human world (typically flat) is created. I think it is neatest and most narratively powerful origin story that could apply to Weyard, and a spiritual variant of Occam's razor would compel me to assume that that's true. If I consider that origin story, and the applicability of science in that world, then I get the following picture: The universes contain balls of light and dark energy, and when they interact, magic happens. And magic could happen differently each time, which means that Earth and Weyard could exist in the same universe, while following different magical rules. This being true would be a vital boon to the series, and have the same benefits that Star Wars gets from being in the same world as ours, but at a different time and a different place.
Precise Origins of Weyard Weyard persists artificially, by harnessing magic using science, or "alchemy," as some might call it. This opens up the possibility that Weyard was originally *built* and we really do not know, nor probably can know, much about that -- Other than planetary motion seemed to be important to whomever designed all the Ancient's stuff. Which suggests that they came from space, or wanted to go to space.
Um, yes. Weyard really is that big. It's a literal analogue of our world. The continents and cultures match up to real world places and peoples. It's pretty much been understood to be an alternate version of Earth for the last 7+ years, ever since TLA was released and we had full world access.
Then it's a good thing I came along to set you guys straight. That idea is plain dumb.
Unless you have any evidence or reasoning for it. Otherwise it's plain rejected.
Insulting the fandom like that isn't going to get anyone to listen to you, you know.
GM NOTICE: Anymore fighting, no matter who you are, will result in a days suspension. If you come back and start this crap again I WILL ban you for three days.
"B-But, muh argumen-"
I don't care who is right and who is wrong, I said no fighting and I expect that to be followed.
Quote from: Rolina on 02, May, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Okay, so if Weyard is flat, then what size is the planet below? Weyard holds several continents within it, with the approximate surface area of the Planet Earth. If Weyard sits atop a fully round planet with proper Newtonian physics, then I have two questions...
First, why is Weyard not being drawn to this supermassive planet? How is it not crushed by such enormous gravitational forces?
Second, how big is Weyard in relation to the planet? Weyard has a full planetary ecosystem. Two poles and a tropical zone. Using newtonian physics, Weyard would have to be positioned in juuuust the right way that such a thing could even be possible - but if it's just a floating mass on a much larger supermassive planet, then why doesn't it have a unified/homogenized ecosystem? Why is it full planetary scale, when your claim is literally that it's not the size of a planet?
I think it is because of Alchemy that Weyard can even continue existing in such position.
Thus making it logical that when Alchemy was sealed, Weyard crumbled away.
Quote from: KyleRunnerWorld: Weyard
Planet: ??? ==> insert anything our minds can build, as long there's no lore contradiction.
I guess my dichotomy is a little hard to understand...? Maybe the people, whose World is Weyard, can't even imagine there are inumerous others in the same Planet.
Dichotomy "World" and "Planet".
Hmmm something like we can't imagine enternity or other dimensions?
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
Magic and zol. Weyard is a world of both magic and science, just as psyenergy adepts use both science and magic. I suspect the planet is a gas giant, and Weyard could be very much like a moon to it, or a satellite. The more popular opinion is that it's an elevated plateau, but I'm personally exploring the likelihood of it being a floating ark, due to the 'rule of cool' potential, and also just the evidence as I see it.
What is the Rule of Cool?
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
There's more here to discuss, but for the time being this information is sufficient to support the idea that Weyard defies the laws of physics using Magic, and if it stops defying the laws of physics, it will cease to be. I believe this supports my thesis that Weyard is a satellite to a planet, and I believe this is an argument against the "Weyard is just an elevated plateau" argument.
What's on the other side then? I very much like to know how that works.
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
I believe the summons in Dark Dawn resemble characters that exist or once existed, and what I find striking about them is the fusion of magic and tech, as with Thor, and as with Judgement.
Summons of DD = Summons of GS1&2?
Anyway, I can agree on that. the real question is what kind of races they were, since we don't know if the beasts/persons we get to see in the summon is just a spiritual representation of the person.
And how did they seal themselves in Tablets or connected to the djinni's?
Quote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
A lot of mythology speaks about the cusp of light and dark (typically through metaphors of sex between father sky and mother earth), and that brief union is where the human world (typically flat) is created. I think it is neatest and most narratively powerful origin story that could apply to Weyard, and a spiritual variant of Occam's razor would compel me to assume that that's true. If I consider that origin story, and the applicability of science in that world, then I get the following picture: The universes contain balls of light and dark energy, and when they interact, magic happens. And magic could happen differently each time, which means that Earth and Weyard could exist in the same universe, while following different magical rules. This being true would be a vital boon to the series, and have the same benefits that Star Wars gets from being in the same world as ours, but at a different time and a different place.
Okay you mean REAL mythology right?
And about the energy balls: I guess you think that Void is seperated from Dark then?
(Just here asking a bunch of questions... Not arguing.)
Quote from: Luna_blade on 06, May, 2014, 03:20:46 AM
Quote from: Rolina on 02, May, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Okay, so if Weyard is flat, then what size is the planet below? Weyard holds several continents within it, with the approximate surface area of the Planet Earth. If Weyard sits atop a fully round planet with proper Newtonian physics, then I have two questions...
First, why is Weyard not being drawn to this supermassive planet? How is it not crushed by such enormous gravitational forces?
Second, how big is Weyard in relation to the planet? Weyard has a full planetary ecosystem. Two poles and a tropical zone. Using newtonian physics, Weyard would have to be positioned in juuuust the right way that such a thing could even be possible - but if it's just a floating mass on a much larger supermassive planet, then why doesn't it have a unified/homogenized ecosystem? Why is it full planetary scale, when your claim is literally that it's not the size of a planet?
I think it is because of Alchemy that Weyard can even continue existing in such position.
Thus making it logical that when Alchemy was sealed, Weyard crumbled away.
Agreed.
-How long ago was it that Alchemy was sealed?
-How quickly does Weyard diminish?
-If both of these questions are answered, will it be easier to know how much bigger Weyard was when Alchemy was sealed? I mean, does it crumble away at a constant pace, or a varying pace?
QuoteQuote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
Magic and zol. Weyard is a world of both magic and science, just as psyenergy adepts use both science and magic. I suspect the planet is a gas giant, and Weyard could be very much like a moon to it, or a satellite. The more popular opinion is that it's an elevated plateau, but I'm personally exploring the likelihood of it being a floating ark, due to the 'rule of cool' potential, and also just the evidence as I see it.
What is the Rule of Cool?
I'm guessing she thinks the floating ark will have a better chance at being awesome to players? That's what I assume without looking it up... But here's a link anyway... to the endless pages of tvtropes you go! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool
QuoteQuote from: Thunder-squall on 02, May, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
There's more here to discuss, but for the time being this information is sufficient to support the idea that Weyard defies the laws of physics using Magic, and if it stops defying the laws of physics, it will cease to be. I believe this supports my thesis that Weyard is a satellite to a planet, and I believe this is an argument against the "Weyard is just an elevated plateau" argument.
What's on the other side then? I very much like to know how that works.
I wonder that too... but it could be a black hole like in Super Mario Galaxy... XD.... Hmm... Or maybe it's just solid?
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QuoteVoid is seperated from Dark then?
Light=1
Dark=0 (Or is it -1?)
Void=Undefined, so if evaluated, forced to 0? Not sure, just a random thought.
I don't think Void has been either defined or even addressed in Golden Sun. The closest thing we have is Void Beam, which is a Jupiter Element attack.
We just can't take a loot of stuff from final fantasy.
And not the idea of Power of universe the void!
This is how I think.
Lighthouses are creatures of alchemy and they create our world.
Give to wejard energy and gives a lot of minerals.
Because of that oceans never dry.(Mercury)
And so going.
Place where is wejard is somewhere in universe.
Quote from: Teawater on 07, May, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
-How long ago was it that Alchemy was sealed?
... IDK
Quote from: Teawater on 07, May, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
-How quickly does Weyard diminish?
-If both of these questions are answered, will it be easier to know how much bigger Weyard was when Alchemy was sealed? I mean, does it crumble away at a constant pace, or a varying pace?
It might just crumble faster when there is Elemental disharmony...
I think it is constant, but I don't think that is the case for the Flip-side theory or the Alchemic Exchange theory.
And yes we would easily know the size... If we knew Weyards current size...
Quote from: Teawater on 07, May, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
I'm guessing she thinks the floating ark will have a better chance at being awesome to players? That's what I assume without looking it up... But here's a link anyway... to the endless pages of tvtropes you go! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool
Ah now I get it. Yeah it would be something in that case.
Quote from: Teawater on 07, May, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
I wonder that too... but it could be a black hole like in Super Mario Galaxy... XD.... Hmm... Or maybe it's just solid?
Black hole :happy: It would have been a Psynergy vortex in GS though.
I meant more like: "What's there?" I don't even know if the sun can shine there... speaking about that: Would the floating Weyard be in orbit?
Quote from: Teawater on 07, May, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
Light=1
Dark=0 (Or is it -1?)
Void=Undefined, so if evaluated, forced to 0? Not sure, just a random thought.
Perhaps. Or Void is just nothing.
Quote from: RolinaI don't think Void has been either defined or even addressed in Golden Sun. The closest thing we have is Void Beam, which is a Jupiter Element attack.
That's right. But I think Psynergy vortexes might just symbolize void. If this is proven wrong, we might as well forget about the whole void thing.
Quote from: SaturosWe just can't take a loot of stuff from final fantasy.
Uhh for theories we can. As long as it doesn't overwrite any excisting piece of information. If this happens you may notify me.
Quote from: SaturosAnd not the idea of Power of universe the void!
I'm sorry. I don't quite understand what you are saying here.
Actually, I think the lighthouses were created to Extract the elements, not imbue the world with them. Think of them like giant oil-derricks, with the shining start being that flame at the top. There would be little need for them to exist from the start of the world, and we already know that the Luna Tower - a tower essentially identical in nature to the lighthouses - was created by the ancient Jenai. I'm willing to bet that they were created in an effort to extract the essence of alchemy and seal it away - and that by putting the stars back into them what you're basically doing is sending that power back in the simplest way possible.
Hmm... I'm guessing it doesn't crumble away at a constant pace, but at a varying one because of dialogue in Lemuria. The crumbling happens faster the more psynergy is used.
QuoteHydros - http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Hydros
In Lemuria's palace:
Hydros: Ever since Alchemy was sealed away, the world has been cut off from its nourishment. It has gone into a state akin to hibernation.
Kraden: By using less energy, Weyard prolongs its life...
Hydros: Yet when hibernating, the being has only stopped its own clock... not the flow of time around it.
Kraden: When a bear sleeps through the winter, it needs only wait for spring to come...When it awakens, it can nourish its weakened body again...
Piers: But if spring never comes, the bear will eventually die...
Lunpa: Weyard is wasting away. Its continents shrinking, because its spring has never come.
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The elements, when combined, form the Golden Sun. So to seal Alchemy, we separate the four elements? Hmm...
Yeah, but we don't know for sure if using Psynergy affects the total ammount of it, do we?
I mean, If you would cast an earthquake, wouldn't the power be returned to the land? Or the respective element for that matter?
Quote from: TeawaterThe elements, when combined, form the Golden Sun. So to seal Alchemy, we separate the four elements? Hmm...
I guess that's true. I forgot that we actually need to think from where Psynergy came from, not what we have now...
I dunno...
The idea of this energy thing makes Weyard itself seem like a living being. Since it does take energy for people to move, it also takes energy for Weyard to move as well... if you cast Earthquake, then Weyard is using its energy to grant your wish. (The psynergy you are casting.) More or less a theory...
And yeah, I guess we need to know where Psynergy first came from? (Ex: Which came first, the chicken or the egg... :) )
Luna blade:In ff V Ex-death took that power and was engulfed by it.
look for some info anyway.
Quote from: Saturos on 08, May, 2014, 01:57:38 PM
Luna blade:In ff V Ex-death took that power and was engulfed by it.
look for some info anyway.
Oh i know very well what you're talking about.
But why should we FF theories for GS? Some of the FF games show many similarities with GS.
Quote from: TeawaterThe idea of this energy thing makes Weyard itself seem like a living being. Since it does take energy for people to move, it also takes energy for Weyard to move as well... if you cast Earthquake, then Weyard is using its energy to grant your wish. (The psynergy you are casting.) More or less a theory...
Yeah sure is theory.
Quote from: TeawaterAnd yeah, I guess we need to know where Psynergy first came from? (Ex: Which came first, the chicken or the egg... :) )
We can't really determine.
My theory about that has to do with the races.
Quote from: Luna_bladeAdepts (magic/alchemy users) can be every living being. It is either given through exposure to Alchemy or through blood (I can't find the word for given through family bond/birth).
However some humans clearly have strong abilities and I thought there was more behind that.
Like said in the previous post, there were originally four main races that could harness the power of the elements. A part of each of those groups, after centuries of breeding with humans, was almost no different, except for the ability of being able to use Psyenergy. Example:
The dragons bred so long with the humans until the Proxians came into existence.
Mercury clan, same deal. Etc.
Only a part of each of those groups did this however. So I'm not sure what to do with those. Perhaps they became monsters (dragons, golems) Or fled or hid in Weyard.
Also found this topic. Might be some inspiration (I've not read it before).
http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=2123.msg38039#msg38039 (http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=2123.msg38039#msg38039)
QuoteYeah sure is theory.
Yeah... since that bit of dialogue in Lemuria compared Weyard to a bear.
QuoteAdepts (magic/alchemy users) can be every living being. It is either given through exposure to Alchemy or through blood (I can't find the word for given through family bond/birth).
Genetics?
@Genetics: Perhaps yes. Or magic/Psynergy through blood.
You might to check the topic I linked above. (which I still haven't read)
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Cultural Dictionary
genetics definition
The study of heredity, or how the characteristics of living things are transmitted from one generation to the next. Every living thing contains the genetic material that makes up DNA molecules. This material is passed on when organisms reproduce. The basic unit of heredity is the gene. ( See chromosomes; dominant trait; genetic code; Gregor Mendel; recessive trait; and sexual reproduction.)
So would magic/Psynergy through blood go under Genetics, or would it be under a different thing like what your post seems to imply?
Well it is something inhereted in this case. Like bacteria in the intestines are recieved from the mother.
Anyway, for clarification: I haven't gave this alot of thought and I'm not sure waht to think about it.
@Sealing Alchemy: It's likely that sealing away each of the four elements individually was the easier way do do things, rather than sealing it all into one large Sol Star or something. Kinda like how it's easier to tackle a big project one section at a time.
Edit: Wow, you guys talk a lot while I'm at work.
That's a nice comparison.
@To much post in between being offline: I changed my status just for that previous week. But I guess I can keep up with it again.