Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
I honestly think that it could be either of the two. It is a good thing for killing germs, but it can also weaken and kill your natural immune system if used too often.
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It's really pointless in my opinion. I'm not too worried about where my hands go (although I wouldn't just put them in unusual places just for the laughs, if you know what I mean XP), and I honestly rarely get sick.
Besides, its not like you can do much to prevent yourself from getting sick after you've been exposed to something :p
This is also why I said it could be either. It is mostly pointless, since these types of things only target certain illnesses. However, there are some shots that are good, but they do not belong here.
I find the following useless:
Hand Sanitizer
Flu Shot
things like Nyquil, Bentleys, etc. for common colds...
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In Basic Military Training especially during Beast week (A simulated deployment) they emphasized very heavily on using hand sanitizer frequently. Then again, with the sanitation issues of having over 50 people from all over the country (And even a couple from Puerto Rico) sleeping in tight quarters under those conditions it's not that surprising.
Yikes! Anyway, for those conditions... I understand. However, when at school they advertise it so much, it seems kind of unhealthy.
They even have "posters" that give you the steps of using it.
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So, you agree to disagree with using them?
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Oh my god! It is Blood Djinni! He runs the immune system for one or two people... Hehehe.
Honestly, I don't really care. We have an immune system for a DAMN GOOD REASON. People need to give it more credit.
Those who don't deserve the death they got.
Cool. I think that they should be used in certain areas only (for example, places where things have to be disinfected, like hospitals or cramped places). However, at places like schools? They are killing kids' immune systems before they even have a chance, lol.
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True, but people need to realize something - modern medicine is preventing the human race from evolving properly. We're keeping the weak alive, thus subverting the processes of natural selection. If we want to keep modern medicine and still evolve, we need to do it artificially - through Genetic Manipulation.
Which has problems in and of itself. Basically, you can choose Stagnation, or to throw away your morals... be doomed to slow, stagnant extinction, stop using medicine, or use genetic manipulation.
NOT an easy choice. But not one people think about.
That is true. Anyway, I understand why some people should be kept alive if they are weaker, but not everyone needs it. Anyway, I think some people are already adapting, but some of it is unhealthy...
For example, in city areas, people are breathing in polution, and-oh, this is out of topic, lol.
So, to get back... Getting these shots and trying to kill germs allows different diseases to travel and breed, in my opinion.
Anyway, completely out of the topic... George Carlin fan by chance?
Also, did anyone watch that video about what they put in Flu Shots (the show is a comedy, but it makes sense).
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Ew, that is kind of strange. I would say that the Hand Sanitiszers are more toxic than alcoholic though (even though there is alcohol in them), kind of like Rubbing Alcohol.
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yeah, he found out about that the hard way.
Yikes... What happened to him that made it "the hard way"?
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Quote from: RoleTrue, but people need to realize something - modern medicine is preventing the human race from evolving properly. We're keeping the weak alive, thus subverting the processes of natural selection. If we want to keep modern medicine and still evolve, we need to do it artificially - through Genetic Manipulation.
Which has problems in and of itself. Basically, you can choose Stagnation, or to throw away your morals... be doomed to slow, stagnant extinction, stop using medicine, or use genetic manipulation.
NOT an easy choice. But not one people think about.
I know this sounds like a horrible thing to say... but I agree with "medicine meddling with evolution". The reason why certain disorders are on the rise is because those people didn't die in their youth like cruel mother nature intended them to. Science is trying to play good-guy, but it's only good for us in the short period - this "allowing those born less fortunate to live" ideology is great on a moral perspective, but those genes will be more spread out throughout the population if they survive, possibly making the problem worse for our descendants.
I think that in vitro fertilization can have a similar effect, producing more infertile descendants. Then again, no way in hell is Homo sapiens going to live for eternity.
also yay someone who believes in evolution (It's always annoyed me that people try to tell me that evolution is completely false, especially when these same people want their religious beliefs being taught in biology >_> It's a larger number than I would want to know)
And I agree with you (yay for evolution!!!)!
I also agree that these genetic disorders should not be spread unless they can be treated/cured, but at times there are random mutations that cause them (not by reproduction), and sometimes it has nothing to do with the gened in the first 22 pairs of chromosomes at all.
For example, Haemophilia was supposedly caused by an unknown factor in Queen Victoria's family (I don't know exactly what happened, but the gene just mutated). I think she was a carrier herself, and gave the disorder to one of her sons. Eventually, that disease spread itself, and now we have people who can't form scabs to stop bleeding without medication.
And there are some disorders, like Klinefelter's, Super Male, and Turner's. These are affected by extra X or Y chromosomes.
And there is your free biology lesson for today (lol).
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I know, it's sad, but true. You can either choose to cling to your Morals, or you can chose to secure the survival of the species.
Evolution exists, and I DO believe in God (for example, did you know that the Big Bang theory was made by a CATHOLIC priest? Yup, it follows scripture! Take that, people who say science and religion don't mix!).
Also, I can't believe all those hypocrites in the liberal left - CAPITALISM is the theory of evolution applied to economics. That's why the US thrived - the nation was able to evolve thanks to the forces of evolution hard at work in the economy. Socialism is -le gasp- the moral murder of the processes of evolution. And to think, they think that people are stupid for not believing in evolution. Frick'n' hypocrites.
For economics? Screw morals, I'll choose to live. For Biology? That's a much harder choice... Should I give the finger to another human so that the species may survive as a whole? Or should I do what most consider the 'right thing', and help him out?
This is true. I understand why they would want to keep some of the people with these disorders or syndromes alive, but until they can guarantee a cure for some of these other ones (the more physically painful/mind altering/retarding ones), then I see little reason why a child should live for four or five years and only know pain.
However, when the time comes and they can easily cure these, then why not keep the people alive (it is obviously too early for some of these)?
And I know what some people think... Either keep them alive or let them be born in case a cure is found during their time... I think that it would be better for people to try to give these disorders to, for example, pigs. Since the pig fetus is so close to that of a human's, then similar cures might work on it.
And yes, testing products on animals is cruel, but many people breed and eat pigs anyway (coming from an animal lover, who also eats them (oh the irony)).
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Testing things on animals is NOT cruel. It's a necessity. Would you rather we tested it on humans? Or things that we humans see as potential food? There's plenty of food for us, so... yeah.
PETA can burn in hell, I'm eating meat, and I'm testing things on said meat before I use it on myself.
hand sanitizers... I was on a cruise this summer (yeah Canada/Alaska, didn't talk much about that here huh?), and there was this kid named Juni (or Mocah, whatever) that drank it for the alcohol. he was 14 or something?
PETA is retarded. There are parts of the human body that are obviously designed for carnivores (eyes in the front, canines, useless appendix)... but it seems impossible to tell anyone obsessed with "animal rights". Testing on animals is a necessity, but they should be treated well and not be given any punishment besides strictly what they are testing.
I don't think animals should be mistreated for the sake of a better burger, but that's no reason to stop eating meat altogether. I eat meat that was raised on farms using old techniques, so the animals are generally treated better than those that go in your Chicken McNuggets.
Yuck! Chicken McNuggets... Barf!
Anyway, I agree with both of you there. I just wanted to say that before starting an "Animal Rights (to which animals?)" topic.
Anyway, testing things on animals can be fine, but as long as the subjects are only those that are bred domestically (or are found in vast numbers in ther wild), in my opinion.
Then again, killing animals that there are huge populations of isn't a good idea either... Just take a look at the extinction of the Passenger Pidgeon. They used to be one of the most popular birds, and now look. All dead.
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Oh wait... Yes, some drugs could be tested on animals, but I would prefer it if they would restrict animal only drugs to non-domesticated animals (or rather, restrict the types of drugs on them).
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Quote from: Charon the FerrymanPETA is retarded. There are parts of the human body that are obviously designed for carnivores (eyes in the front, canines, useless appendix)... but it seems impossible to tell anyone obsessed with "animal rights". Testing on animals is a necessity, but they should be treated well and not be given any punishment besides strictly what they are testing.
I don't think animals should be mistreated for the sake of a better burger, but that's no reason to stop eating meat altogether. I eat meat that was raised on farms using old techniques, so the animals are generally treated better than those that go in your Chicken McNuggets.
Not to mention protesting the eating of meat by preforming acts of yuri in the middle of the street. I dunno about you, but if I were a guy, that'd just make me want to buy some hot dogs and eat it in front of them so that they keep doing it, possibly getting more 'steamy' as they do it... Stupid PETAphiles...
The funniest thing was when they said that eating meat makes you fat. That's CARBS, you morons. You know, which comes from PLANTS. Plus, what are they whining about? The torture of living things? What the hell do you think a Salad was made of? Vegetables that were grown and raised for the sole purpose of slaughtering them and feasting upon their corpses. Yes, veggies and fruits had mommies and daddies too. What do you think flowers are? They're PLANT GENITALS. That's right. Oh, and that water you're drinking right now? Billions of microbes were ruthlessly slaughtered just so that it was healthy for you to drink. Yeah, that's right.
Have fun getting your darwin award, freak.
Honestly, when will they understand that people eating meat is like animals eating meat o.o
I know, right?
Yes. Unfortunately, many people in the world think that it is entirely different because humans are supposedly the "top life form", and that they have a choice. This could be true in some ways, but when you get these people who think that meat is murder, then... I don't know.
Honestly, if it weren't for what they teach us in biology (and of the video games that I play), then I would consider us to be a medium life form. The main reasons why we are not the top yet is because of these "food is murder" people, not to mention pollution and garbage. I was kind of hoping for the Coral Reefs to be around forever, but I don't know now...
WOAH! We are off topic (thanks for starting the new topic for this by the way).
Okay, I suppose it has been established that vaccines and hand sanitizers are good for some reasons, but are not allowing the world to evolve and adapt properly (another thing, Bacteria are actually living things, so does that mean that everyone in hospitals and schools are murderers too, just like the meat industries? lol...). Anyway, lets add somethign new to this topic:
Gene Altering (or whatever it is that you want to call it).
I am sure that this will help cure many types of diseases in the future, and I think they have actually cured one or two animals (either monkies or mice, I forget which one) of colour blindness. However, I think they need to be careful, because what might be a good gene for one person might be lethal to someone else.
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We use genetic manipulation for plants and animals already. If we WANT evolution, the next step is Humans. Just one problem... that's playing god. We can either choose to throw medicine out the window, and let God do his job as norm via natural selection, or we can play God ourselves via genetic manipulation, and accept all the risks and potential disasters that come with it.
I don't support it because it can lead to some serious side effects, but in reality, that's where our breeds of dogs came from. It's really not that big of a deal in my opinion.
Hell, you could consider date sites a form of human genetic engineering XD
Yeah. I think most people want to "play God". I think that a large part of the population fears pain and death, which another reason why most people are sticking with medicines.
If you think of it though, medicine might be needed for some things. For example, if Murder is against your morals, then you would probably choose to give medicine to someone instead of putting them out of their misery (and if you do put them out of their misery, then you will probably face prison anyway, so...).
Oh... "What a wonderful world", lol.
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Edit: True. However, they get some breeds from genetic slicing, and others from breeding, so... Anyway, breeding is how I got my precious Sammy (who unfortunately passed away little more than a year ago).
There's also the "Do I save the brutal dictator's life, or do I save it with medicine?" moral argument. You'll be saving a life if you save him, rather than dooming a man to death... but that life is responsible for the slaughter of thousands to millions of people. And you'd be saving that despicable man.
Such moral conundrums plague the practice of medicine, as they help to save the lives of brutal, savage criminals on a regular basis, despite knowing just what they're capable, and that by saving them, they may doom someone else to death later on.
Not to add the fact that if we defy nature by letting someone born with a genetic disorder that would otherwise kill them live, they will spread this disorder among the population, thus defeating Darwinism. It's cruel, but it could generate a big problem later.
Very true.
It isn't even allowing infected people to live to reproduce that is a part of the major problem (well, it is the worst, but...), trying to keep them alive can be both painful and money consuming (for medications (or for other things, but we have free-ish health care up here (paid through taxes))), not to mention the time...
There is also a chance in extremely rare cases where the disease forms by a mutation, having nothing to do with the parents...
I suppose this is no longer a debate, is it? Oh well, someone might come in that doesn't agree with us.
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It's a general agreement that Moder Medicine is Fsking up the human race, and we're too ethical/moral do to anything about it.
Exactly!
I wonder if we can add anything to this conversation that still has something to do with medicines/health?
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Necro-posting. -takes off his undead outfit-
But I agree about the hand sanitizer things. I don't use them because like Role said, it weakens the immune system. Not to mention they smell and I have a hard time breathing with that smell lingering around. My bro on the other hand uses them constantly. He's been sick four times since they were installed and I've been fine, only lately suffering from headaches, migraines and body stiffness and this is due to lack of sleep.
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Exactly!
I wonder if we can add anything to this conversation that still has something to do with medicines/health?
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Add to it? How about this, who goes to the doctor, who doesn't, who uses medication for problems?
I don't go to my doctor. They're all quacks who don't know what they're doing. You go in for a physical, you come out with five illnesses you've never even heard of and you have to take special steps to increase your health or they give you botched up medications or they get what's ailing you wrong.
A few weeks ago I had to be rushed in because my throat suddenly tightened and I couldn't breath. I could breath a small bit, but I'd immediately start coughing and hacking up...I guess mucus. I couldn't tell.
The nurse asked me what's wrong. I told her I couldn't breath. I had to wait twenty minutes before being seen and when I went in, she told the doctor I said I have asthma. asdfghjkl; (exclamation point)
They solved that problem with a breathing thing.
Two days later I went in after feeling sick the day after my throat tightened. I was getting tested for the swine flu and they told me: "We're not
sure if it's swine flu, but it's definitely the flu." ...well what use are you guys?
Just as I was walking back to the waiting room, the nurse near me was talking to another woman and said: "He doesn't even look sick at all. He's probably faking it." Cue me puking up a smelly brown stream of bile on the floor and then later into the wastebasket. "That doesn't look fake to me." The second nurse said before walking away. "Oh, and you're going to clean that mess up." the second nurse said before vanishing from view.
So I was quarantined for two weeks, which slightly helped my mood, despite how sick I was feeling.
I go by this rule: If my bodies immune system can handle it, I'm hardly bothered. If it can't, well now's a perfect time for my body to find a cure.
And that is a good moral to the story. Before when I was talking, I was forgetting the fact that I might one day need medication, so... I am switching sides of the argument!
Mwahahahahahaha!
Also, wow, waiting 20 minutes when you can't breathe? What kind of maniac medical people do you have near you?
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Probably Canadian ones... Or US without paying, since in the US if you don't pay it can take several months or even be impossible to get health care.
Hm... Well, we do have idiot medical people up here, but they rarely make you wait if the condition seems life threatening (unless it is not something that will kill you right away (like cancer), or if you will be fine for a while). For example, a heart attack will get you in right away, but a sprained arm will take a while. In fact, I remember a tiny bit of when I broke my leg, and they took care of me in about 10 minutes, which felt like an hour or two to me still, but... Well, there is more to this story, so I will tell it some other time.
Now to make a rant about School... Again (we had ANOTHER fire today, but it was not as bad as the one in June).
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Read: An emergency will get you in now. But something that will take a year before it kills you? You're better off going to the US to get the cure. Even if you don't have insurance, they'll still take you (you'll just pay full price instead of 20% or whatever the co-pay is here). I mean, with the debate over universal health care that's going on here, I've been hearing a TON of horror stories from Canada and Europe.
I'll be honest, our insurance is so screwed up over here. It's really not worth having :p
You mean in the US? Soon we won't have a choice. Those morons in congress want to try and force us to have health insurance whether we want it or not. And instead of doing SMART things to keep costs down - like making laws against BS lawsuits against doctors, and allowing insurance to compete across state lines (thus lowering costs via the natural processes of capitalism) - they're doing the OPPOSITE - trying to introduce a government run system. Isn't that why people come to america when they have a life threatening illness in Canada or Europe? Because THEY have dumbass-run healthcare? What reason do we have to believe that the government knows what they're doing? Do they have a medical licence? Ha ha... NOPE. I do NOT WANT my healthcare politicized by dumbass politicians, I'm sorry, just... no.
Hm... Well, I have actually heard more horror stories from in the US than in Canada. I suppose it depends on who you speak to though.
Also, the only reason why we have such long waiting times is because we have so many people who are coming up with imaginary illnesses and symptoms, so they waste the time of both real patients and doctors. Besides, I would rather not pay at all for either the transportation to go or for the cure (if there even is one). In fact, my Nana and Papa(from what I have been told, who are residents of Florida for 6 months) have to be extremely careful when they are down there, and most of their medical stuff is done up here because they simply do not have the money (they are getting older though, to Mrs. 3-4 heart attacks and Mr. toungue removed). By the way, are there any cheap antidotes for Fire Ant venom? My Papa keeps getting bitten when he goes down.
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VENOMOUS ANTS!?!? anyway, it seems that BIG GOVERNMENTS HAVE SMALL BRAINS,and that EVERYONE has dumbass-run healthcare.
Yeah, the problem here is that doctors are paranoid that these people will sue them, so they do way too much. More than they should. What we need to do is crack down on the BS lawsuits so that doctors can do their jobs correctly without fear of getting sued. It's a process called "Tort Reform".
As for fire ant venom... yeah, I'm guessing he has an allergic reaction? If he doesn't, though, it's nothing that generic bug-bite treatment can't fix. Don't blame us for fire ants, though, they're invading the US via central/south america, so... Yeah.
I know, and I'm not blaming anyone. Also, he has had an allergic reaction. In fact...
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I am posting it as a link, because this is kind of bad looking (and at the time of the image, at least ten days or more had passed since the bite(s)).
Odd thing happened. While he was poisoning an ant hill, he stepped on another one, and...
He should almost be better by now, since this image was sent to me some time in November.
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Ouch. Yeah, nothing you can do about that except rush to the hospital for the antivenom and treatment. Even in a system with Gov't Run Failcare, they should (I repeat, SHOULD) accept emergency cases...
Yeah, they should accept them, but there is a fine if the money is not paid, right? Well, Papa has been off of his feet for a while, so he should be fine.
Also, funny thing, but not everything is covered by out healthcare system up here. Most things are, but some minor things are not (by minor, I mean mostly unecessary things, or warts on hands, etc.).
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Other than the useless doctor visits during the summer, I have not been to a doctor in a long time. Also, the pressure to have Hand Sanitzers in school is increasing... Last time I was there, I think I saw like 6-7 bottles in the office alone?
What good are hand sanitizers if the kids won't use them? Having them there is one thing. Actually getting the kids to use them is another matter entirely.
Well, these are mostly for the staff in the office. One for students to use is available in the Guidance Office.
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