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Golden Sun Games => Golden Sun: Dark Dawn => Topic started by: Alex on 26, October, 2009, 07:43:00 PM

Title: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Alex on 26, October, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
For my part, I think that Isaacs son and the girl look like siblings.

That points towards Mudshipping for me!

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Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Charon on 26, October, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
I think she's actually related to Sheba.

I also think Isaac decided to be homosexual on himself and was given his child by Judgment or something.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 26, October, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
I know, the girl looks like either Sheba or Jenna, while the other guy looks like Isaac went by himself somehow. Apparently they invented cloning.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 26, October, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
From the looks of it, it seems to be:

Isaac x Jenna = Isaac-like Guy
Garet x Sheba = Garet-like Guy
Ivan x Mia = Mia-like Girl

Which, to be honest, makes NO sense... I guess we'll have to wait until the game comes out.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 26, October, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
I know, we could at least have:

Isaac-like girl (so Venus Adept)
Sheba-like guy or Garet-like girl
Mia-like guy or Ivan-like girl

Which would mean we'd actually get a FEMALE VENUS ADEPT, which we haven't had yet. We also don't have a female warrior, so having a somewhat Garet-like female Jupiter Adept would be interesting, and cover two missing groups at once (Jupiter Warrior, and female Warrior).
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 26, October, 2009, 09:56:00 PM
Hehe, Isaac cloning. I suppose they might have perfected it for Golden Sun DS, but I still say that they were almost successful when Ivan was cloned to make Sheba, and close enough for Isaac to Felix.

Also, it would be nice for a female Venus Adept, which reminds me of an idea for the community hack. I think that there should be two of each adept, and there is one adept of each type of both genders.

Also, I think that Isaac might have been with Jenna at one point, but I somehow doubt (looking at Isaac figure #2) that they stayed together to breed. You never know... I mean, in Disney movies, they rarely go on about how people have babies, yet it always "happens". Perhaps some Nintendo games go about the same way...

OFF TOPIC: Baby Mario and Baby Luigi... Whi gave birth to them, and why is there a stork?

ON TOPIC (sort of): Ooh! Perhaps Camelot is going to have Baby Isaac? Lol. I honestly think that it might be a neater game if we are looking at what could be the ancient proglogue to Golden Sun instead of the epilogue, but it is still going to be good.

REALLY ON TOPIC THIS TIME (and also moose training): Anyway, they have only shown us three characters this time. To be honest, I think that the Garet-like person is actually a Mars Adept, despite what is seen in the poster. So many people take those things literally. I think there was a poster for a Zelda game, and Link was holding a bow, not his sword. I think many people thought that the sword was left out of the game because of this. To make a long story short, I think that Garet-like's psynergy was actually an unleash.

So this means...

Jenna leaves Isaac...

Isaac + himself = Isaac #2
Garet + Jenna = Garet-like offspring
Mia + Piers OR Mia + Ivan = Role's signature.

Perhaps Sheba stayed with Garet. Also, I am not sure about Mia with Ivan. I think that Mia is in her late teens, early 20s (approximately), right? So if she were to get with Ivan (who is 14), then they would have to wait for at least 4-6 years if you think about it. I think that all of these characters decided to remain friends, but... Meh. I am a bit confused and tired.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: suzumebachi on 06, November, 2009, 10:48:34 PM
Red haired guy: Steamshipping:  :Garet: :Mia:
Isaac guy: Valeshipping :Isaac: :Jenna:
Girl:  :Mia:  :Garet: ? :Ivan: :Mia: ?  :Sheba: :Piers:?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 06, November, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
True. However, we have to wait until we know of more characters. They still have not shown and proven to us a Jupiter Adept (unleashes don't count).

So, we have:

Isaac jr.

Asexualshipping or Valeshipping.

Role's old signature character.

Mudshipping or Tidal Shipping ( :Mia: +  :Piers:).

And as for the guy... I am guessing that Garet either went with Sheba, or went with Felix and adopted (seems plausible, right? I mean, that character almost looks like both of them combined).


Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 06, November, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
I guess Garet really was a girl... You learn something new every day! :happy: *shot* :um:
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 06, November, 2009, 11:11:12 PM
Certainly seems to act like it sometimes. To be honest though... Karst is more of a man than Garet ever was.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 06, November, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
If you swap the personalities it almost works!

I guess if Role is Karst, then Role is a guy? *Machinegunned, Sniped, Artilleryd, and blasted into non-existence by an airstrike*
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 06, November, 2009, 11:25:16 PM
That is correct. I wonder if there are any more characters that we can switch?

I want to try something with Alex.  :um: :um: :um:

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 06, November, 2009, 11:27:53 PM
Oh yeah! Alex is a girl too, I forgot. I wonder which is worse: Being a guy that's really a girl or being a guy that's really a robot?

I think Piers runs Windows 95 :um:
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 06, November, 2009, 11:30:49 PM
Lol, that seems plausible... Actually, I would say that Piers runs the first computer every made.

Alex is a girl, so... How about we replace her with, er... I forget.

Also, this is off topic... Remember that unused blonde haired portrait? I think it is used in the Face Testing room as one of the shopkeepers, but I am not sure.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: suzumebachi on 07, November, 2009, 01:41:07 PM
You know the red-haired guy's eyes are almost the exact same color as Mia's?

Why is Mia such an annoying person to pair? It's like she could be the mother of any of them....
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Charon on 07, November, 2009, 01:48:53 PM
Oh boy, a "Who-screwed-who" debate. Everyone knows Camelot left the ropes hanging so we would look for an answer ourselves in a barbaric manner, so... let me clarify the TRUE story:

QuoteIsaac Masturbates = Isaac kid
Ivan + Garet = Thunderkid
Mia + Sheba + Bratwurst = Mystery Girl
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Sajin on 07, November, 2009, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: Charon the Ferryman on 07, November, 2009, 01:48:53 PM
Oh boy, a "Who-screwed-who" debate. Everyone knows Camelot left the ropes hanging so we would look for an answer ourselves in a barbaric manner, so... let me clarify the TRUE story:

QuoteIsaac Masturbates = Isaac kid
Ivan + Garet = Thunderkid
Mia + Sheba + Bratwurst = Mystery Girl

xD That actually is enlightening. Now everything makes sense!
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
Heehee, lol.

Oh yeah, Suzume? There is a chance that Mia could be the mother of all of them. Knowing her kind, calmer personality, she might be a people-pleaser, and...

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Charon on 07, November, 2009, 01:59:52 PM
Quote from: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
Oh yeah, Suzume? There is a chance that Mia could be the mother of all of them. Knowing her kind, calmer personality, she might be a people-pleaser, and...
...That makes someone a whore?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 02:02:27 PM
Well, to be honest again... I would say that Mia is less likely to be a whore, but just that her relationships did not work out between any of them.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 07, November, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
Perhaps she's the mother of all of them...

Meaning... SOL HAREM COULD BE TRUE!

Isaac x Mia = Isaac kid
Garet x Mia = Garet kid (but then where's the jupiter aspect from?)
Ivan x Mia = Mia kid
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 05:48:20 PM
Two kids with Ivan?

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 07, November, 2009, 05:55:04 PM
How is there two Ivans?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 06:01:35 PM
There isn't. Mia simply has two kids with him.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 07, November, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
Huh? Who's the other kid?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
When one is created, there will be another one. I guarantee that there will be more characters than the trio that is shown.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 07, November, 2009, 06:27:31 PM
Well, yeah, but it's a mars adept.  My money is on it being a proxian.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, November, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
Er, I thought that we were waiting on a Jupiter Adept? In the picture, it looked like there was a Venus, Mercury, and a Mars using a Jupiter unleash. I know that you will probably say "but they don't show unleashes". Just because they have not done it before does not mean that they have not done it at all. After all, there was a poster for a Zeldea game a while back... Link did not have his sword, and people assumed that he was not getting one.

I think that it is an unleash simply because the electricity is coming right from the axe, not his hand, which is in a fist. the other two characters both have a hand open.

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/989/989502/golden-sun-ds-20090602113934286_640w.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ds.ign.com/dor/objects/949592/golden-sun-ds/images/golden-sun-ds-20090602113934286.html&usg=__SiuloJ84AtKScU8lQJL4Nsb0m-A=&h=480&w=339&sz=90&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=DqiMUi8iR6DreM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgolden%2Bsun%2BDS%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 08, November, 2009, 08:15:22 PM
Let me point this out again.  WHERE in the trailer is mars used AT ALL?  Huh?  Where?

Oh, right, IT'S NOT.  Also, NOWHERE in ANY golden sun art is an adept EVER seen using an element not of their innate.  We also have evidence that hair color =/= element - I point to Mia's assistants in Imil, Mercury adepts whom are BLONDE - which is typically attributed to Jupiter.  All the evidence points to that being a Jupiter adept.

Also, how stupid do you have to be to think Link doesn't have a sword?  It's his signature weapon. >_>
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 08, November, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
It wasn't me who thought that, but because it was not in his poster, many people (not myself) thought that he was not getting his sword.

Besides, what is it with you calling me stupid and idiot lately? I find this very offensive. If you have nothing nice to say, then please don't say it at all, okay (even if it is not about the person you are taling to)?

QuoteAlso, how stupid do you have to be to think Link doesn't have a sword?

Also, just because they have not done something before does not mean that it will never happen. You might be right, and this character might be a Jupiter Adept, but I think we have to wait for either a better video than just a trailer (which often does not reflect what is in the final game), or for the actual game to come out, hopefully in February.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 08, November, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
You shouldn't be taking it so offensively, then.  It's just I really get irritated when I have to repeat myself over and over.  Also, with the Link comment, that was me pointing out that ANYONE who thought that definitely wasn't using common sense.  Since day 1, Link has used a sword.  There have been no exceptions to this rule, it's a staple of Zelda, I'm sorry.  Now, if could be that the person behind him turned into the sword, and that the sword was organic(ish), but the sword element would stay there.

I'll agree with you, though, right now all we can do is speculate about GSDS.  Some people use the so-called hair-color argument, despite there being evidence to the contrary IN GAME, while I use actual precedent - there's not been a single instance in art of a character using an unleash or cross-element skill.  Basically, they've always used their own elements.  What's more, in the trailer, the only element not used is mars, which leads me to believe they have no counterpart announced yet.

...Of course, they could (albeit unlikely) pull a WTF Camelot?! on us and have there only be three characters, but I doubt that'll happen.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 08, November, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
Yes, and I am sorry for taking these topics too seriously. It is just that I do not like it when certain aspects of my ideas are not even taken into consideration, even if the ideas themselves are not very good. Also, it was the way you worded that Zelda comment that confused me. Yeah... Although taking the sword from Link is kind of dumb, I would not be surprised if it were removed from the game that is coming out in December (only because he is Indiana Link in that game, hehe).

Yes, speculation is good. The Hair Colour theory does have flaws, but if you generalize the hair colours, then it works at times (there are flaws in almost everything though).

If I were to try to fix the Hair theory, I would make it somewhat like this:

White and/or Grey if older.

Earth = Brown, Blonde, Black, Gold (basically, really really light Orange)
Wind = Purple, Blonde, Brown in some cases (near Jupiter Lighthouse)
Water = Blue, Teal, Green, Blonde in some cases (near Mercury Lighthouse)
Fire = Red, Orange (unless Proxian, then this does not matter (but this is mainly because they are close enough to Mars Lighthouse to all be Mars)).

Anyway, you are probably right about that character being Jupiter, but something in my brain is arguing with that for some reason, saying Mars (probably the resemblance to Garet).

Have a nice day.
:happy:
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 08, November, 2009, 10:46:08 PM
There was a game in which Link did not have a sword, or even a bow. Instead, he had just a crossbow.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 08, November, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
Oh yes, this is true, sorry for me forgetting (I even own the game). It is called Link's Crossbow Training. However, it is more or less a true Zelda game, since all you do is go around shooting things in the land of Hyrule with a crossbow that has unlimited ammo.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 08, November, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
More like Link's "Wiimote accuracy training", am I right?  That thing was basically there to train people on how to target things with the wiimote...  If you count that as a legit Zelda game, then... Well, you might as well count the horrible CDi games as well.  At least, I think they were CDi...
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 08, November, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
Yep. However, I suppose that it is safer to give this game to kids for target practice than actual crossbows, lol. A bow is bad enough, also requiring a lot of skill, but a crossbow is basically an advanced bow, and a gun is basically an advanced crossbow (sor a mini-cannon, however you want to look at it).

Also, I wonder if Eoleo will be important in this game?

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 08, November, 2009, 11:47:26 PM
I can see him as possibly the leader or elder of the Champa, depending on how far into the future it is.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: suzumebachi on 10, November, 2009, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: Role on 08, November, 2009, 08:15:22 PM
We also have evidence that hair color =/= element - I point to Mia's assistants in Imil, Mercury adepts whom are BLONDE - which is typically attributed to Jupiter.  All the evidence points to that being a Jupiter adept.

I thought that Camelot was just lazy, and used the same sprites as the little children of Vale.....

And that reminded me of something: Everyone's overworld sprite in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance seemed to be blonde, although their official and facial portraits were prominently dark brown.... O_o.

And "Everyone" was an exaggeration. You know what I mean.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, November, 2009, 03:18:45 PM
Er... Wasn't there only Marche as a blonde haired character (on the overworld)? I have not played in a while though. This is also a bit off topic...

I wonder if Kraden will have had any kids? Kind of coubt it though.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 11, November, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
Marche was the villain, and that's why we all love him.  His quest was to destroy the world.  Meaning, YOUR quest was to destroy the world, re-crippling your own brother, and hacking your best friend's undead mom to pieces in front of him. Loads of fun, I say.

As for the children, though, really it's whatever camelot claims... For all we know, we could be playing with the kid of Felix and Feizhi, and that he just happens by freak chance to look like Isaac.  Who knows, really.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, November, 2009, 03:43:36 PM
Yeah, unless Fiezhi didn't tell Felix about Isaac, lol... Anyway, time to stop about people just getting together for the sake of it (because I am now wondering how Bowser of the [later] Mario games got a kid... How? Where is the other giant Koopa that Bowser got together with to have the kid?).

Yes, he was the villain, but he was only doing this stuff because he wanted to go home. Besides, it turns out that she wasn't really his mother, and the friend was unconscious (almost).

So... In the general discussions section, I will start a new topic about "Games: Where did these children come from?" or something like that, so we do not get too off topic. I am a bit confused about Baby Peach too, lol.

Okay, back on topic... Have you noticed though that (sometimes), a character's child looked like their parent. In all of the games that I have played, other than Golden Sun, the only kids to look like their parents were Yoshis and other Mario enemies. However, to be honest, I think they made some mistakes on Felix and Jenna's parents. Hair colour matches, as well as a few facial features, but their faces just look a bit too differently shaped. I am still sure that Isaac became a bacteria, hiding in an inhospitable region for a while, and eventually bred Isaac Clone with himself.

Have a nice day.



Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 11, November, 2009, 05:07:09 PM
Bowser has 8 cousins (at least, I think the Koopa Cousins are his cousins, too).  One is Female.  And Bowser is the shining example of evil.  I'll let you fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, November, 2009, 05:37:57 PM
Well, I know of the 6 Koopalings (and I can even recite most of their names because of Mario and Luigi). However, Bowser Jr. is a bit smarter than Bowser, so I kind of doubt that Bowser got together with one of his cousins (since things tend to happen to the brains of those with related parents).

However, I am unaware of these other two cousins? I will have to start a topic, since there are a few unexplained mysteries like this.

Well, I am looking forward to the next image of the characters, or of more characters.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 11, November, 2009, 06:25:45 PM
Six?  Huh... I could swear it was 8...  Eight levels in Mario Bros 3, plus Bowser's level...  At least, that's if I recall correctly.  It's been a while since I've played the game, after all... I could be wrong.  Could be seven, though...  And bowser's level was level 8...

But we're getting off topic.  This is about how the GS characters got busy, not the mario characters.  Everyone knows that Mario gets Peach, Luigi gets Daisy, and Wario and Waluigi made off with Rosalina against her will.  Sorry, chick, odd woman out, after all..
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, November, 2009, 07:57:31 PM
Yes, we are off topic, lol. I really have to start the correct topic though.

Edit: Most of the last post was out of topic.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Clara Vita on 21, November, 2009, 07:01:40 PM
purge
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 22, November, 2009, 10:50:55 PM
There is that possibility... Or it could be that Garet and Sheba (an odd pair, in my opinion) get together to have a kid, who goes with someone else to be full storm. We will have to wait and see. Who knows? It could take place hundreds of years after the two Golden SUn games.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Sajin on 23, November, 2009, 11:43:50 AM
Actually, how about the reverse of that? What about GS DS being years BEFORE the two gba GSs? It's also a possibilty I guess. In that case maybe those characters are like grandfathers of the main characters.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 23, November, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
I like that idea, but I think that they already said something abnout the new characters being their descendants.

However, your thought gave me an idea. How about the community hack take place before the seal on Alchemy? The storyline can remain the same, except for the time period (besides, GS DS is covering the after-story). I would post this in the main topic for the hack, but I forget where it is.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Sajin on 24, November, 2009, 04:18:39 AM
Well, but I bet they'll talk about things that happened before the original GS to cover up some bits of story that seem to be missing (like were Sheba was born, why the Anemos Sanctum raised to the sky, what happened when Alchemy was released in to world in the golden age, etc...).

If the time period is different, the storyline must be different as well... Actually, why not make the community hack take place when the lighthouses were being sealed?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 24, November, 2009, 03:13:31 PM
Dood, official confirmation is official.  It's their descendants.  That means it's either their kids, grandkids, or somewhere so far down the line that we never know who banged who to make what.

Also, the speak of the community hack?  Please discuss that in the appropriate thread.

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Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: MaxiPower on 11, January, 2010, 10:23:43 AM
To be honest i hope they are all not just decendants, to be honest im not likeing the Issac clone as im more of a Felix person lol

as long as their is a brute Jupiter character i will be happy
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Ninja Steve on 11, January, 2010, 10:25:45 AM
Ideally we would also need a mage-style Venus adept as well to complete the circle, although that's incredibly unlikely.

I'm trying not to get too many ideas, in case things don't turn out the way I hope.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 11, January, 2010, 01:57:28 PM
If they have 8 characters, they need to have different class setups for the two teams.

They also, more than anything, need to have new base classes.  We can all safely say that we don't really want the old base classes to return, except maybe via a class item or something.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Neko-chan on 11, January, 2010, 02:58:12 PM
The PC's are mosly clones of the O8, That's what it looks like from the E3 footage.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 12, January, 2010, 03:14:36 PM
I suppose the good thing about clones is that long time fans of Golden Sun (not quite a decade, but it is close) will easily be able to select a favourite character based on the characters from the previous game (unless we are lucky, and Camelot decides to give them different personalities).

Also, the PCs that I remember seeing from the footage were clones of;

Felix, Isaac, Mia, and Garet. Please correct me if these are wrong, or if there are more characters that I missed.

A female Venus Adept would be nice, but I find that some Nintendo staff (and sub-companies) sometimes have gender biased members. I also kind of hope that they alter the Isaac clone, so it does not look so much like Isaac. Why did he have to steal Felix' voice anyway?

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Hoopa on 18, June, 2010, 08:36:52 AM
Now that I think about it... Karis kinda looks like Ivan and Mia's kid. Although I doubt that would happen... right...?
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 18, June, 2010, 03:26:55 PM
QuoteNow that I think about it... Karis kinda looks like Ivan and Mia's kid. Although I doubt that would happen... right...?

Perhaps traits are inherited differently? Instead of one hair colour being dominant over the other in Golden Sun, they could blend together sometimes (either that, or a new gene for blue hair acts differently than blonde or black might in real life)? Quite a random answer, but it would help for a theory as to why Karis has green hair (while not being used yet, since I would not think that adepts (aside from Mars and Venus) would breed together), and also while looking like both Ivan and Mia.

However, I suppose we will have to wait and see how things turn out.

Have a nice day.

Edit: There is the chance that some of the main characters paired up with NPCs though. All they say is that these characters are the offspring of characters from the previous two games, not that their parents are only the main characters.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: leaf on 18, June, 2010, 05:53:38 PM
Well, now that we have some better pics/footage of the characters than just the preliminary art... things haven't changed a whole lot.

Matt is obviously Isaac's son, but the mother is still a toss-up. Could quite possibly be Jenna or even Feizhi. I will say that it's almost definitely not Mia, if only because of the other two characters.

Terrell is obviously Garet's son. The question is, where did he get those blue eyes from? Mia seems the most plausible answer (well, Mia's eyes are more green, but meh), since the only other main character with blue eyes was Isaac. This would even have some basis in the original story, what with the JLH scene and all. Depending on how wacky camelot wants to get with genetics, it could also be Sheba.

Karis appears to be the offspring of a jupiter and mercury adept. Considering there are only two valid pairs for this, you'd think this would be the easiest one, except for the fact that if it's Ivan/Mia, that takes away from the the most plausible answer to who Terrell's mother is, and if it's Sheba/Piers... well... that would be a bit creepy, considering Piers is presumably several hundred years old... although I suppose neither of these pairings have any real canon support, besides the fact that the pairs traveled together.

So, in summary, I think it's either:

1)
Matt: Isaac/[Jenna or maybe Feizhi]
Terrell: Garet/Mia
Karis: Piers/Sheba

or

2)
Matt: Isaac/[Jenna or maybe Feizhi]
Terrell: Garet/Sheba
Karis: Ivan/Mia
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 18, June, 2010, 06:01:40 PM
Yeah, but Mia could have been with Garet, and then divorced him for Ivan. Heck, Mia could be the mother of all of the kids (though with her healer-type personality, I doubt Camelot would have done this). Jenna could be the mother as well, Isaac for an obvious pairing, Garet because he liked her at one point (I think), and Ivan to pass off her healing, though I barely saw a relationship between the two.

Perhaps Karis is part Lemurian? Piers (who does have a slightly rounder face than some of the others) did have turquoise hair, so he could have ended up with Sheba as well. This may bring in green hair with Jupiter element, and new Jupiter healing psynergy (unless that is just a byproduct of Alchemy being released, for more psynergy to be created).

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: leaf on 18, June, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Ok, for a moment here, let's assume that one of the characters is not a whore.

And I get the feeling you didn't read my whole post, because Piers/Sheba was one of the two main pairings I suggested that could produce Karis >_>
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 18, June, 2010, 06:49:56 PM
I did read your post (well thought out by the way), but I was just adding a bit more to the Piers + Sheba theory.

QuoteOk, for a moment here, let's assume that one of the characters is not a whore.

Okay, sounds like a good idea to me (since I nearly tainted Jenna in my own mind).

Have a nice day.
Title: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: AlexPaladin on 09, September, 2010, 05:17:14 PM
I don't get it. I'm thinking the blonde boy is Issac and the Red Headed Boy is Garett. The girl, Karis is a new member. Thats wat i think. But then i read someones reply to the queation that said some thing about Issac's kid(s) and Garett kid. I'm confused.
                   :?:
                   :Alex:

Now im begining to think that Terell, Mathew and Karis really are the children.
Here is what I think:
:Garet: + :Mia: = Terell

:Isaac: +  :Jenna: = Mathew

:Felix: +  :Sheba: = Karis

Hope I'm right.         :?:
                            :Alex:
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 05:27:39 PM
Yeah, it was confirmed a few months ago (perhaps close to a year now) that these characters are the kids of the characters from the last game... Hey, I wonder what Felix' kid would look like, and with whom? That is pretty much the only one that does not seem likely with the first four characters.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 09, September, 2010, 06:06:03 PM
Seriously, what's with the double posting?  Use the edit button.  It's not that hard.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 06:34:56 PM
Also known as "Modify" if thou shalt need it to be so.

Also, now that we know that Crown looks like Ivan (because I am positive that Kraden would not have been with any of the heroes to have kids), we need to work this out.

:Garet: + ? = Tyrell
:Isaac: + ? = Matthew
? + ? = Karis
? + ? = Crown

From what we know, Karis is Jupiter and Crown is Mercury (typical to have the Mercury Adept come last), and we have two adepts of each element, each adept of each element a different gender than the other adept of their element. However, both look like they could either have Ivan or Sheba as parents.

:Mia:  :Piers:
:Ivan:  :Sheba:

In the end, this works out to be 8 parents... Which is not possible without with polygamy, cheating, adoption, simply having more than one kid, or if one of them had kids with someone who was not with them on their quest, as I do not recall reading anything about each kid having two hero parents.

From the way things look, I kind of doubt that the kids only have parents from the original 8. However, if Isaac managed to reproduce asexually (unlikely), then it would make sense (so Jenna goes with Garet, Sheba with Felix/Piers, and Ivan with Mia). This could actually turn into a very funny fanfic, but I will not continue this post anymore, in case this topic becomes... Out of topic.

Nevermore.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 09, September, 2010, 06:59:18 PM
BRAIN BLEACH. SOMEBODY PASS THE BRAIN BLEACH.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 07:03:12 PM
I hardly see why you would want or need bleach, let alone for your brain... There would be little to nothing left (being corrosive and all)!

Nevermore.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: MaxiPower on 09, September, 2010, 07:34:21 PM
Felix better have had a son

but i can foresee a tomboy girl
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: leaf on 09, September, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 07:03:12 PM
I hardly see why you would want or need bleach, let alone for your brain... There would be little to nothing left (being corrosive and all)!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach

Go educate yourself.

(and protip: stop taking things so literally)
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
But taking things literally makes me who I am (unless I can tell that it is supposed to be artistic, that is when I take it how I see it). I do like seeing how a part of Lady Macbeth's most famous line was referenced, but I still do not see how most of what is on that page is logical.

Also, I figured out who one of the mystery characters is in each pair...

Mia! Answer: She was with Isaac, but he left her for Jenna (he always had a soft spot for her), and then she moved in with Garet. He was too obsessed with training, so she left him for Ivan. She currently lives with Ivan now, but Karis currently lives with Matthew (being "cousins" and all). Matthew is actually Jenna's kid, and Mia decided that she could be his aunt. As for Crown, Ivan and Mia agreed with Kraden that he could be sent to a boarding school to further his education, training him in the ways of alchemy before going off to university.

Nevermore.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: leaf on 09, September, 2010, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
Mia! Answer: She was with Isaac, but he left her for Jenna (he always had a soft spot for her), and then she moved in with Garet. He was too obsessed with training, so she left him for Ivan. She currently lives with Ivan now, but Karis currently lives with Matthew (being "cousins" and all). Matthew is actually Jenna's kid, and Mia decided that she could be his aunt. As for Crown, Ivan and Mia agreed with Kraden that he could be sent to a boarding school to further his education, training him in the ways of alchemy before going off to university.
I lol'd. Hard.

QuoteI know that most of this is probably less than 1% true, but it does give us a temporary background to use for association. As for what Maxi said, this is something that is very agreeable (and could turn out to be Crown, or else it is a new character).
Stop killing your own jokes. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle0t9r68ih?from=Main.DontExplainTheJoke)
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 09, September, 2010, 11:31:43 PM
Salanewt, that was just... weird. Enough said. I mean, we should assume that in GS people will have relatively NORMAL relationships, rather than some strange and stupid convoluted mess that makes less than no sense.

In short: Salanewt's theory = <0 sense

@Leaf: I'm honestly not sure Sala was joking.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 11:36:41 PM
Same here, when I first typed it. By the way, I removed the part that killed my joke, so...

Have a nice day.

Oh, I forgot to mention something:

Ivan and Mia currently have problems despite living together, because Ivan reads her mind too often. She is upset because she has thoughts that she would rather not share with Ivan, and Ivan is upset because Mia is thinking about Felix (more of which will come by the time a new character or two are revealed).

Have a nice day.

Jamie: I was joking, and I still am. They likely do have normal relationships, but until we actually find out which people are the parents of these kids, we only have two other choices.

1: Theorize based on resemblance in one way or another. Such as hair, eyes, element, etc.

2: Treat them all like orphans, one of which being a clone.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Rolina on 11, September, 2010, 03:02:40 AM
Watch.  I bet just to be a take that to the shippers, they're gonna all hook up with NPCs.  All eight will pop in to say hi, but NONE of them will be with another member of the O8.
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Clara Vita on 13, October, 2010, 01:56:33 AM
purge
Title: Re: Who is whos Daughter or Son?
Post by: Atrius on 13, October, 2010, 02:05:55 AM
Pshh... Silly GameStop, clearly the game takes place in an alternate reality where Isaac was named Mathew, Garet was named Tyrel, and Miakaris has green hair. You don't need to do any research to figure that out, using your brain or looking stuff up is for losers anyway.