I can't possibly be the only one here who still plays this, can I? :Sweat:
But yeah, Diamond's gonna show up in a few days (I bought it on Amazon).
Also, Blaziken > All
Quote from: Ninja Steve on 02, January, 2010, 07:42:57 PM
I can't possibly be the only one here who still plays this, can I? :Sweat:
But yeah, Diamond's gonna show up in a few days (I bought it on Amazon).
Also, Blaziken > All
I dont play them all the time but every so often i get a blood lust for them. that rush will come back when the remakes of the best pokemon games gets released in english, of course Gold and Silver.
btw Ampharos (Denry) > everything else (well to me) only pokemon that i change there name, due to having to play the orignial gold and Silver years ago in japenses lol
Gallade > everything else except maybe Giratina.
Ah... pokemon. The phenomenon that introduced me to the internet 7 years ago... good times. I used to play competitively on netbattle in the 3rd gen, although I quit around 2005 or 2006, came back and quit again a few times, and then had a renewed interest in pokemon again come the release of D/P. After some time, I found I didn't really like the 4th gen metagame, and quit again. I do plan on picking up a copy of SS when it comes out in america, though, which will at worst be a good nostalgia trip and at best respark my interest in the game competitively.
And since we all seem to be mentioning our favorite pokemon... celebi will always be my #1. It became exceedingly rare for me to make a team without it, actually.
What my favorite was depended on which generation it was. Basically, my favorites for the ones introduced in the generation were:
Colors Generation: Jolteon
Metallic Generation: Bellossom
Advanced Generation: The entire Ralts line.
Jewels (current) Generation: Gallade (Ralts? Plus Swords? WIN!)
I don't have an overall favorite, so the favorite new one from each Gen will have to do.
I must say, though... I can't say I approve of people putting legendaries on their favorites list. I see it as being kind of... cheap. So I MUST disagree with you on this issue, Leaf. You will NEVER, EVER, find a legendary on my team. I get them, then they rot in a box!
What's y'alls teams? Mine is:
Pandora (Gardevoir ♀)
Prometheus (Gallade ♂)
Atlus (Infernape ♀)
Helios (Scyther ♂)
Tethys (Golduck ♂)
Sirnaq (Wevile ♂)
They're all EV trained and everything... It was particularly tough getting Atlus, though. Getting both Female, correct nature, AND complimentary IVs? Uggh...
Cookie if you get the reference behind the naming.
my team in diamond is usally
Charizard
Fraligator
Ampharos
Golem
Torterra
(cant think of what my last one is, usally varies per playthrough
Tethys the Dancer, a Golduck? Are you freaking kidding me? That's a freaking INSULT! Next, you'll tell me you made Ephraim some noob Pokemon, like a Pichu or something.
My high-level team:
Umbreon lvl 49 (why? because it can survive a Thunderbolt from a lvl 61 Banette, and lose only about 1/6 of it's HP. And that was when it was level 47...)
Gallade lvl 70
Giratina lvl 80
Lapras lvl 81
Mewtwo lvl 83
Gardevoir lvl 52 (it's holding an EXP share, otherwise I would switch it with something else.)
My low-level team:
Espeon lvl 36
Frosslass lvl 41
Skitty lvl 44
Leafeon lvl 46
Umbreon lvl 47
Gardevoir lvl 52
(soon to have a Castform included, as soon as I can catch one from the Trophy Garden)
@Role:
What? A person can't have "legendaries" in their favorites list but they can have... oh... say... tyranitar? Or salamence? Or better yet... garchomp or wobbuffet? Despite the first two being blatantly more powerful than a lot of legendaries, the third actually being banworthy as of the third gen, and the fourth eventually being banned in the fourth gen? I assume you'd have said the same thing even if I had listed say... regigigas as my favorite? Compared to a lot of "regular" pokemon, regigigas is actually pretty trash, and despite having the classification of "legendary," or having one of the highest BSTs in the game, it's greatly held back by its ability. Or entei, one of many legendaries that carries a 580 base stat total, but gets overshadowed by numerous "regular" pokemon as a fire type... including all four of the fire starters, but especially infernape, who happens to be one of the best non-ubers in the 4th gen. If it weren't for the way they were encountered, people wouldn't have nearly as big of a "legendary" bias as they do... and just because 95% of the broken pokemon in the game are legendary (and are therefore banned), doesn't make all legendaries broken.
In each gen, the non-broken legendaries:
1: articuno, zapdos, moltres
2: articuno, zapdos, moltres, suicune, raikou, entei, [and later celebi]
3: articuno, zapdos, moltres, suicune, raikou, entei, celebi, regirock, regice, registeel, jirachi
4: articuno, zapdos, moltres, suicune, raikou, entei, celebi, regirock, regice, registeel, jirachi, uxie, mesprit, azelf, heatran, cresselia, shaymin (however, not shaymin's sky form), phione (manaphy is relegated to uber status, however), regigigas, [and later, latias without soul dew was removed from the banlist]
I may have forgotten someone from the fourth gen, but I think that's right. All other legendaries are banned. The only "regular" pokemon to have been banned are wobbuffet in the 3rd and 4th gens (not the 2nd gen, though, since it didn't have a broken ability yet), and garchomp in the 4th. And a few tier placements may have changed since the last time I checked in on the game (after all, smogon was supposed to be re-evaluating some of its more difficult decisions on the banning or allowing of certain key pokemon, such as deoxys speed form or garchomp, pokemon that were just barely banned before; this is actually why latias without soul dew was later allowed into the game, as it was determined to lean more toward the "fair" side of the fence), but if things have changed, this should still give you a good idea of how just because something is a legendary doesn't make it broken. Note that these are not solely my opinions here on what is or isn't broken, but collectively those of the competitive battling community. In my personal opinion, salamence should have been banned shortly after the release of platinum, but last time I checked, that has yet to happen, and probably won't happen anytime soon.
Leaf, I have a prejudice against these so-called "legendaries". Depsite their "legendary" status, EVERYONE has them. Furthermore, you get stuck with one, and how good or bad that one's stats turn out to be is totally up to luck. Common, Uncommon, and Rare pokemon, however, you can get multiples of, meaning you can better strategize and prepare your team. Of course, there's more to it than just that. This IS a personal prejudice, so there is some irrational thought behind the process
It's nothing personal against you, I just don't like legendaries. And since it's a personal thing, no amount of arguing can change my mind. I'm sure you've got certain things you refuse to use or do, just as I do, and no amount of arguing will change your mind on it. It irritates you when someone else does it, but after all, they're not you, and thus have different standards.
Take me. I don't like a boring powerplay team, I HAVE to have some kind of theme behind them. After all, I find a pure focus on strategy, well, boring. It's a me thing. Most people in competitive play scoff at this and go pure-strategy, after all. But me? Well, I will max out as much strategy as I can while still keeping in the confines of my theme. Sure, my lead 2, Pandora and Prometheus, are both psychic types, and thus they have significant weaknesses that can be exploited. Though I don't mind this, many other people who play competition see it as nuts. Likewise, I see them using legendaries, and roll my eyes, just as they roll theirs at me.
Heck, you rolled your eyes at my dislike of legendaries. Part of my dislike comes form what I said in the opening of this post. Another comes from... well, I'm not impressed. Mewtew was meh-ish to me, and that stigma has stuck with me to every generation. Hell, look at Giratina! It's a sorry excuse of a legendary that I REFUSE to even look at because it was lame enough to get caught by a standard pokeball! If you want the screenshot, I can try and get one to you! It's disgraceful, a so-called legendary getting caught with the crappy-ball. Hell, the dood was easy as heck - Throw out a bird, laugh as only slash can touch you (and that's easily cured by a nice supply of potions!). I mean, come on! I was training up my timer balls by killing time, and one of those balls I tossed to kill time CATCHES the thing?!
THIS is the kind of thing that makes me hate legendaries. There's really no logic behind it, other than a personal grudge. Nothing to get defensive about. Just a me thing.
By the way, you've not said what your team was.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 02, January, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
Tethys the Dancer, a Golduck? Are you freaking kidding me? That's a freaking INSULT! Next, you'll tell me you made Ephraim some noob Pokemon, like a Pichu or something.
Congrats, you do NOT get a cookie!
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/Tethys.jpg)
THAT is Tethys. Can you find a better water and/or ice pokemon to represent them?
Wasn't Salamence around way before Platinum? Why should it be banned now, when it wasn't before?
Anyway, I forgot to list another few favourites, though I rarely ever use them:
Cherrim lvl 41, knows Sunny Day and Solarbeam.
Lucario lvl 55, holding a Fist Plate.
Shiny Houndoom lvl 41, named Ice Hound (cause it's BLUE!). Unfortunately, I couldn't teach it Ice Beam. :(
Giratina is not fail. Not in Platinum anyway, where it doesn't have Slash. Instead, it's level 47 and so has a different moveset. Normal types are king still though.
Anyway, my Gallade and Gardevoir are themed to a certain extent. Both like to spam ELECTRIC attacks, and I made a deliberate effort to theme them that way. Gardevoir knows Thunderbolt, Gallade knows Thunderpunch.
Just because you got lucky and caught it in a normal failball doesn't mean it isn't hard to catch. You just got lucky. It's catch rate is still 3, just like all the others.
Well, I have yet to get that far in the expansion pack. I do hope it redeems itself in my eyes, but either way, if it gets caught with a crappy normal pokeball again, I will never, EVER, EVER have respect for the thing. NO legendary should be caught by one of those.
Pandora uses Psychic, Electric, and Ice attacks for me.
Prometheus uses Fighting, Fire, and Dark attacks for me (and Psycho Cut sometimes).
Fits the theme.
Dang, too many people named Tethys. Cruds. Ah well.
I still want a Castform.
If I remember correctly:
Red:
Victreebel
Golduck
Machamp
Alakazam
Charizard
Golbat
Ruby:
Blaziken
Shedninja
Wailord
Zangoose
Metagross
Alakazam
Diamond:
Torterra
Lucario
Dialga
Garchomp
Alakazam
Bronzong
And in SS I plan on:
Meganium
Ampharos
Alakazam
Gyarados (not shiny)
Crobat
Arcanine
Guess who my favourite Pokemon is.
In fourth gen, my brother joined Marriland and (somehow) became a mod
And then he forced me to follow him into competitive battling.
My current competitive team is:
Dragonite (anti-lead)
Tyranitar (choice scarf revenge killer)
Metagross (trick scarf)
Blissey (wish support)
Celebi (calm mind passer)
Heatran (torment)
I only realised AFTER that it had three pseudo-legendaries, so don't judge me :p The strategy is eliminate threats to the heatran, set up a sub and then lava plume to death, hopefull with a CM passed.
Other teams include:
Roderade (toxic spikes lead)
Blissey (wish support)
Skarmory (stealth rock and phazer)
Zapdos (subroost with roar)
Forretress (spikes and rapid spin)
Dusknoir (will-o-wisp and spin blocker)
and
Uxie (stealth rock, sunny day and u-turn, as well as yawn)
Cresselia (sunny day with moonlight)
Infernape (mixed sunny day sweeper)
Tangrowth (mixed sunny day sweeper)
Heatran (revenge killer)
Starmie (rapid spin and reflect)
The first is full stall, the second sunny day balanced.
About the Giratina catching thing, well you were lucky. It was funny though, I must've spent an hour on ONE battle with Cresselia, Azelf STRUGGLED itself to death, and yet I caught Dialga with a quick ball, and Giratina with a Dusk Ball (originally I typoed Duck ball... hmm) on my first try.
EDIT: And, IIRC, Manaphy is no longer in Uber.
Well, Quickballs are uber in the first few turns, so that's cool, but Pokeballs? I mean, the one before it ALMOST caught it (3 wiggles), I made a remarks saying something like "that's right, don't you DARE get caught by that. It's night, in a cave, and you dodged my dark balls, so this timer ball had BETTER get you. Don't you... NOOOO! NO WAY! YOU... YOU... WHAT WAS I STALLING FOOOOOOOR?!"
I found it personally insulting! A legendary in a lame-ball...
Also, I don't care about the rankings. A Salamance is okay to me, as is any non-legendary uber. I just don't like legendaries. It's a me thing.
Loved this series, but I stopped playing it recently =(.
Favorite Pokemon
Color Series - Vaporean
Metallic Series - Blissey
Advanced Series - Milotic
Gem Series - Hasn't played yet
Might as well start with the expansion pack then. Grab Platinum when you're able.
Hehe ^-^", I kinda don't have a DS T-T"
...If you don't have a DS/i, how do you expect to play GSDS? You have half a year to get one. Fail, and face erasure.
I will get one eventually...
Ah, Pokemon... A great serie up untill Gold & Silver, after those they just went overboard with pokemon... In a couple of years how many there will be? 700? 1000? They should had just focus on making evolutions for those that already exist...
Either way, my favourites are Sandslash (RBY), Espeon and Typhlosion (GSC), Kecleon (RSE) and for the last games (altough I haven't played them yet) Leafeon or Weavile.
Quote from: Zach on 03, January, 2010, 12:43:04 AM
Hehe ^-^", I kinda don't have a DS T-T"
Neither do I... GSDS is enough reason for me to buy a DS. Well, and also SoulSilver tough...
And HeartGold ( even though they could've came up with better names for both games <.<)
I agree... HeartGold and SoulSilver are maybe the worst game titles I've seen/heard of... Perhaps the "expansion" game will be called BrainCrystal? xD that would be hilarious.
Both hilarious and brain damaging at the same time o.O
...What? >_> :?:
But serisously now, have you seen a worst game title than HG/SS? Remakes seem to have a useless prefix (FireRed/LeafGreen and HG/SS)...
I don't think they're terrible titles... goofy, maybe, but not terrible.
My teams were, are, and always will be based on what I like, as opposed to any strategic value. Which is why every single team from Ruby on includes a Blaziken, a Gardevoir, and a Raichu.
Uhh how is it that "normal" people (read: Dumb, Boring and Lame people like the people who can't and don't wanna hack games) hate the Pokemon games? Is it because theirs is associated with a kiddish anime(but I kinda likes it and me's thinkings that Dawn is cute) or are theys just too damn scaredy to go near such pure awesomeness?
Anyways, My teams WERE ALWAYS maded of a mixture of Dark and Ghost types(such is my nature I s'pose)
if you wanna know. But I don't play anymore 'cause my GBA are broked and my DS was stoled, Aww T-T
Quote from: Sajin on 03, January, 2010, 09:10:35 AM
I agree... HeartGold and SoulSilver are maybe the worst game titles I've seen/heard of... Perhaps the "expansion" game will be called BrainCrystal? xD that would be hilarious.
Re-releases do not have expansion packs. Case in point: There is no Electric Yellow version.
@Normal people and pokemon games: Pokemon, like most videogames, is seen as 'kids stuff' and childish. As such, it's "cool" not to be into "stupid children's games". Basically, GAMERS know pokemon's good. NON-GAMERS are to stupid to understand that. Let them go ahead and mock it. We all know that they're the ones acting childish, though. Yay for the hypocrisy of morons...
Quote from: MegaDarkNero on 03, January, 2010, 11:25:50 AM
Uhh how is it that "normal" people (read: Dumb, Boring and Lame people like the people who can't and don't wanna hack games) hate the Pokemon games? Is it because theirs is associated with a kiddish anime(but I kinda likes it and me's thinkings that Dawn is cute) or are theys just too damn scaredy to go near such pure awesomeness?
I can tell that was directed at me since I said I lost interest so lemme stop you there. #1: I only said I lost interest in it, I didn't say that I hated it. #2: When HG/SS come, I will start playing again. #3: While that holds mostly truth to it, not every "normal" person hates Pokemon. <.<
Insul: I like your style. =p
Oh, and what's your bro's sn on marr? I may know him.
Quote from: Role on 02, January, 2010, 11:03:22 PMTHIS is the kind of thing that makes me hate legendaries. There's really no logic behind it, other than a personal grudge. Nothing to get defensive about. Just a me thing.
By the way, you've not said what your team was.
Well, I'm not gonna try to convince you otherwise. I just look at legendaries like regular pokemon that just so happen to only be encounterable once and can't breed. It's not so different from the sudowoodo encounter in GSC, or snorlax encounter in numerous games, with the only difference being those pokemon have a gender.
And you mentioned having to theme your team and work strategy into it... why not go the other way around? Make a team with strategy and then work the theme into it? It's what I generally do after I've played with a team a bit.
As for my team... right. Forgot about that. I'll just c/p one of my old netbattle teams here. Oh, and if anyone here doesn't get where the nicks come from, you fail. Hard.
Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Thor
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 96 Def / 152 Spd / 136 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt
Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Charon
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
Celebi @ Leftovers ** Cybele
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 148 Def / 8 Spd / 56 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Perish Song
- Psychic
- Recover
Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Ulysses
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Def / 136 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
Now that I think about it I probably should've named this one Coatlicue... oh well. That would be more appropriate on a wisher, anyway. Which is what this used to be, actually (when celebi had heal bell instead of perish song). I've changed this team more times than I can count, and I'm still not sure which variant I liked best.
Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Procne
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind
Claydol @ Leftovers ** Daedalus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
In summary: Stall stall stall stall stall~
I have other teams, too, that do more than just outlast the opponent. This team just happens to have very good consistency, with only about 2 or 3 uncommon pokemon actually giving it real trouble, and a couple common pokemon that I need to play around.
For the games, I've mostly used teams of anywhere between 2 and 4 pokemon, filling in the remains with HM slaves. From what I can remember, I've used teams of typhlosion/ampharos (team WHY IS YOUR LEVEL SO HIGH?), charizard/jolteon/lapras/alakazam (team lolspecial), sceptile/flygon/altaria/pelliper (team no weak-OH FRICK WALLACE HAS ICE BEAM), and torterra/staraptor/alakazam (team never finished the game). Oh, and metagross/flygon/ludicolo (team lolbattletower), as well as metagross/latios/snorlax (team lolbattlefrontier).
Yeah, I actually never finished diamond because I got bored with it >_>
Quote from: Role...If you don't have a DS/i, how do you expect to play GSDS? You have half a year to get one. Fail, and face erasure.
TIME FOR A TASTE TEST!
Leaf- He's known as Asphyxia.
And that naming thing is SO hard.
About HG and SS- Hmm... I can't think of any better name for it.
Oh. I don't know him, then.
And I just realized I forgot to reply to jamie about why I think salamence should be banned in DPP despite being allowed in adv. Well, it was fine in adv. It was able to pull off a few different sets, yes, but the choice band and dragon dance sets were by far the most common, both being physical, and you might occasionally see a special variant with wish. The CB set was useful all game long, and generally required you to either have a bulky water or predict its attack correctly to counter it. The DD set was only really a threat as a late-game sweeper after everything has taken some damage. The special variant would of course be a surprise at first, but it could be dealt with easily enough without any way to boost its power. In adv, it was certainly a powerful pokemon, but it was manageable. Then... you have DP. Life orb and choice specs bring a whole new variety to salamence, with the only thing really holding it back being the new stealth rock, sapping it of 25% of its HP every time it comes in. Specs sets with the new draco meteor could only be reliably countered by blissey or a high sdef steel. The mixed set with life orb had a lot more freedom with its options and actually ended up countering all of the pokemon you would use to deal with the specs set. The mixed set could be walled by some particularly sturdy dual walls, however, particularly those that lean toward sdef. And of course, salamence still has his old physical sets, slightly adjusted now with a more powerful STAB move (hp:flying -> dragon claw), which actually is enough to allow it to 2HKO the same bulky waters that it could only 3HKO in adv. This whole mess makes countering salamence very difficult, as if you guess which kind of salamence it is wrong... you're likely losing a pokemon right there. Platinum finally gives salamence outrage to play with, which is what imo threw it over the edge, as now if you don't have a steel, you're automatically screwed as salamence can 2HKO whatever it is you're using to defend against it. But... the same steels that you would use to defend against the special variants still get 2HKO'd by outrage mence because they're investing into their sdef and not their def. So you have a single pokemon that can come in two completely different and equally highly destructive varieties, that requires two distinct specialized counters, that if you don't carry those specialized counters, even once you do know what set mence is running, you're still probably going to lose a pokemon. Unfortunately, the DP players have become used to having to sacrifice something to revenge kill big threats, so despite this, I doubt salamence will ever get banned.
Well, I certainly wrote a bit more there than I originally intended to.
Lemme see here. These were my teams for each game.
Red: Charizard, Gengar, Gyarados, Raichu, Golem, Beedrill.
(I don't have Blue or Yellow, but I have played Yellow.)
Gold: Typhlosion, Ariados, Ampharos, Umbreon, Tyranitar, Octillery.
Silver: Feraligator, Electabuzz, Magmar, Hitmonlee, Sneazel, Espeon.
Crystal: Meganium, Raichu, Poliwrath, Hitmontop, Scizor, Misdreavus.
Ruby: Blaziken, Wailord, Golbat, Flygon, Salamence, Shiftry.
Sapphire: Sceptile, Sharpedo, Gardevoir, Seviper, Armaldo, Dusclops.
(Don't have Emerald.)
Pearl: Infernape, Gengar, Tentacruel, Crobat, Luxray, Roserade.
(Don't have Diamond or Platinum and I haven't beaten Pearl yet. I'm not that interested in beating it to be honest.)
My teams usually ALWAYS consisted of all the starters from that given region, with the Fire type as my main:
1st Gen: Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Raichu/Pikachu (in yellow), Alakazam, Golem
2nd Gen: Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Meganium, Golem, Alakazam, Lugia/Ho-oh/Suicune (version dependent)
3rd Gen: Blaziken, Sceptile, Swampert, Gardevoir, Raichu, Metagross
4th Gen: TBD, but it's looking like (for a while): Infernape, Empoleon, Torterra, Garchomp, Mismagius, Honchkrow
My dream team would probably consist of:
Blaziken, Gardevoir, Raichu, Garchomp, Mismagius, and Blastoise.
Quote from: leafgreen386 on 03, January, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Role...If you don't have a DS/i, how do you expect to play GSDS? You have half a year to get one. Fail, and face erasure.
TIME FOR A TASTE TEST!
SO ZETTA SLOW...POKE!
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/1219716485204.gif)
Anywho, I really don't have a 'dream team'... Whatever team I happen to use depends on what theme I'm going for in the game I'm playing. Surprised nobody figured out my Platinum team yet, especially after I posted that pic of Tethys...
frick why did I ignore this topic earlier
I EFFIN' LOVE POKEMON MAN
Currently I'm raising a complete Murkrow team to decimate the world in its power. I already have like 60 of them hatched.
Hm... Well, in every game, I normally try to have a water type. I also have Action Replay, so... I have not used it on Platinum yet, but I steal from the Pokemon Factory in Emerald. I have a level 100 shiny Charizard with Hydro Cannon. Few people can beat me.
In Platinum (and Diamond), I have an Empoleon. I think it is level 100 in Diamond, legitimate except for the temporary shininess, but it is only level 48 in Platinum.
In Platinum, I have 4-5 permanent members, and one that I can switch almost whenever I want.
Empoleon: level 48, Surf, Waterfall, Blizzard, and Rock Climb
Rapidash: level 51, Fire Blast, Flame Wheel, Toxic, and Bounce
Staraptor: level 45, Fly, Aerial Ace, Close Combat, and Defog
Luxray: level 51, Thunder, Crunch, Thunder Fang, Spark
Beautifly: level 44, Giga Drain, Bug Buzz, Silver Wind, Morning Sun
I want my Beautifly to learn Psychic, but I do not know which move to replace (since I want to enter it in some contests first). I tend to have either my Lucario or my Tangrowth as pokemon 6. I wish I could have 8 members though. It would make my life much easier when choosing.
I also have a somewhat legitimate Articuno in Diamond, close to level 100 if it isn't already (but I think I caught it at like level 10 in Fire Red, so...). I have almost every legendary, all of which are somewhat legitimate. The Dogs are from Colloseum, the Birds from XD, Gale of Darkness, Regis... I forget where. Palkia is not legitimate though, but it will be in Platinum. My Lugia is from XD as well, but I can get a free supply of them from Emerald, as well as Ho-ohs. I have Mewtwo, Mew (and it obeys), Deoxys (same), Lati(o/a)s, and the rest of the legendaries from every game. I think I might be missing one or two though.
I can not say anything about the other games, because my character becomes a police officer when he rides the bike in both Fire Red and Leaf Green. Also, few to no battles are allowed after 10 minutes. Emerald is a Pokemon factory for me, where I can get free shiny Pokemon. Unfortunately, they always males (unless it is a female only Pokemon).
And this is enough information for now. I also have a Shiny Sableye or two in Diamond, each with Wonder Guard...
Have a nice day.
Salanewt, cheating at Pokemon is not cool. The only Pokemon I'd even CONSIDER cheating to get is Arceus, because it's just that awesome.
And if they already have a Ralts with swords (Gallade), then why not a Ralts with guns? That would be seriously awesome. And considering the fact that most Pokemon names are puns, I'd probably call it Shotzem.
Edit: I also have a way of getting infinite Master Balls, but it's rather time consuming. Basically, I'd have to finish transferring all the Diamond and Firered Pokemon I want to Platinum, then restart one of the two games, and get all the way to where you get the Master Ball. Then, give it to a Pokemon, transfer it to Platinum, transfer any new cool Pokemon I got, and restart the game again.
If I was gonna farm master balls, I'd just clone a pokemon repeatedly >_>
@Sala: Ok, I'm the kind of person that doesn't really care if someone cheats at the game as long as they keep the stats, moves, and abilities legitimately possible. No matter how improbable it may be, if it's possible in the game, then I'm cool with it. But... wonder guard sableye? Seriously? Although I'd probably just laugh if I ever saw a hydro cannon charizard...
...Hydro Cannon Charizard? >_>
I only cheat under two circumstances: A- Clone pokemon to get more Master Balls/Leftovers/Exp. Share or B- Use GameShark to complete pokedex. But since I have bad memories with GameShark (when I used it on Red It somehow corrupted my save...) and I actually don't own it, I don't use it... Using GS to get some lvl100 pokemons that have 999 of each stat plus Wonder Guard isn't any fun but you find it amusing, knock yourself out. :p
Cheating is okay ONLY if they cheat to make the game HARDER. The only cheats I've seen that do that are from the battle network series, though. Otherwise, you're limited to taking advantage of glitches in the game. I'm perfectly fine if you whip out a level 255 Snorlax on me in Red/Blue (I'll kill you if you try it in yellow, though). After all, do that, and I'll whip out my Lv255 Cloyster... If they didn't want us to do that, they should have bug tested their game more.
Sala? If you weren't the buttmonkey of the forums before, then after cheating at POKEMON of all things, you are now.
ALSO: Ralts + guns idea: What, Magmortar wasn't enough for you?! The thing has freaking ARM CANONS.
If you must Wonder Guard something, at least give it to somebody decent.
My view on cheating: only for event-only Pokémon, such as Arceus. Otherwise, I really don't like it much. Anything with Wonder Guard is just looking for trouble. (Also, there's a reason why Fighting types have Foresight.)
Well, Arceus can probably be gotten via those events. If it's cool for your region, then go ahead. If you missed out, oh well. Hell, I got up and went all the way to toys-r-us for that Giratina! Missed out on the sky-form shaymin, though... didn't know they were having it. If it's available legit in your region, then get it legit. If not, you can get it for collection purposes, but you're not allowed to use it.
Since these would be legendaries anyways, which I have a personal grudge against and won't use in the first place, it's easy for me to do. Others, though... dunno.
...Aww... I just realized something. Magmortar might fit Atlus a hell of a lot more than Infernape. All that resetting... wasted... I mean, they BOTH have arm canons... Giant freaking arm canons... I wonder why I chose Infernape over Magmortar?
I don't necessarily disapprove of cheating per se, especially that with experimental codes, but really, Salanewt, what a better way to look like an @#$ than to have a Charizard with Hydro Cannon. It's more fun to come up with real movesets than impossible ones.
@Leaf: Well, Umbreon, having the crazy-high defences that it does, might be able to survive Salamence, at least for a good while. And, if you can out-speed it, you can flinch it indefinitely with Dark Pulse if you're lucky, ending the threat right there.
@Role: No, Magmortar was not good enough for me. For one, it's ugly, and two, it doesn't learn NEARLY enough gun/cannon-themed moves.
My idea for Shotzem was something like a Gallade but with arm cannons instead of blades.
Typing: Psychic/Steel
Level 50 stats (assuming neutral nature) would be something like:
HP: 120-170
Attack: 130-175
Sp. Attack: 130-175
Defence: 65-110
Sp. Defence: 115-165
Speed: 90-140
Note: All stats are rounded to multiples of 5.
Possible abilities:
Sniper: Crits have 3x power instead of 2x power.
Rapid Fire: Multi-hit attacks have +1 minimum and +1 maximum hits.
Evolution method: Sun Stone
Notable moves:
Teleport (learned at start and at level 6, you can't get it without a Heart Scale)
Bullet Seed (level 20, learned if you evolve it right after it evolves to Kirlia)
Double Team
Rock Blast (one of the most powerful multi-hit attacks around)
SolarBeam
Night Shade
Nasty Plot (Good for boosting the likes of SolarBeam, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Flash Cannon, and Psychic)
Aura Sphere? (not sure whether it should get this move. If it does, it will probably be through use of a Heart Scale)
Overheat/Leaf Storm (one of the two, not sure which. Probably Overheat, though)
Power Swap? (Makes a nasty combo with Overheat/Leaf Storm, but there is no precedence for it in the Ralts series.)
Hyper Beam (it is a beam attack, after all)
Fire Blast
Protect (come on, it just HAS to have this)
STAB attacks:
Confusion
Mirror Shot
Flash Cannon
Psychic
Psycho Cut
Other notable moves it can learn through various means (TMs, HMs, Move Tutors, breeding, etc.):
Icy Wind
Shadow Ball
Sunny Day
Sandstorm
Rain Dance
Thunderbolt
Will-o-Wisp
Flamethrower
Ice Beam
Energy Ball
Focus Blast
Secret Power
Hidden Power
Shock Wave
Stealth Rock
Like other Ralts series Pokemon, it learns Teleport at an early level, so early that you can't get it without a Heart Scale. Confusion is also learned this early.
Pokedex Entry: It has an affinity for explosions. It uses its arm cannons to protect its Trainer even from a distance.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 05, January, 2010, 10:57:04 PM
@Role: No, Magmortar was not good enough for me. For one, it's ugly, and two, it doesn't learn NEARLY enough gun/cannon-themed moves.
I agree, Magmar got the worst evolution... And also the worst looks. :Sweat:
You seem to have planned everything for Shotzem Jamie, all you need now is a sprite for it. Oh, and shouldn't the name begin with "Ga"? Like GAllade and GArdevour?
Yeah, there's slight theme naming there. I can't really think of anything good that would fit...
Otherwise, all I have to say that a gun-themed Ralts evolution sounds weird to me... but I'd probably still use it anyway.
Well yeesh, I only do this for fun once I have beaten the game. Funny thing, but I have not even done ANYTHING to Platinum yet. Although it does have a Battle factory...
Sableye sucks anyway, and I do not even use it. I only used the code to have it so I could try to trade it to my friends for better characters.
Also, I only train legitimately, so... Anything that I use codes for is just for fun (unless it means stealing from the Battle Factory for the GBA, they are mainly for the Gamecube games, so I can test their shininess and their abilities). That wasn't nice Role... Ow. Besides, it is only for fun!!! I use them as collectibles. I also gave it Synthesis, Frenzy Plant, and Blast Burn (or maybe Fly, I forget which one). I also have a Rapidash with the same moves... Ultimate Confusion, mwahahahahaha! Only for fun though (and makes it easier to beat my friends 999 stat Shiny Rayquaza (but I do not use many stat boosts myself)). I had no idea how seriously people take hacking Pokemon here, wow. Almost seems worse here than the infinite Movement code that I created for Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon. Only modified one or two digits for it, but it became extremely useful.
Besides, using codes is what makes me say "Ah, what a fun game."
Ralts the Gunfighter? Gashot? Galaser?
Well, have a nice day.
Yes, but you'll notice, it's Garde-devoir, (garde being French for guard, devoir being French for duty) and Gall-lade (Gall being shortened gallant, and lade being blade without the B). Shotzem is just another really bad pun name: Shotz-em (Shot em). Of course, put that into the title of a Pokemon episode, and you have Ash saying: "I Shotzem!"
Yeah, if you're going to come up with a name, you need to keep the thematics. Shotzem's a horrible name. Also, why does it have Psycho Cut in your list?
Sala: You have to cheat at a GAME to have fun? You disgrace us all with your presence. Come back when you grow a pair.
How does Model ZX's Z-saber in that Megaman game (whose name eludes me) work? It's a gun and a beam sword in one. It doesn't really need Psycho Cut however.
And as for the name, do YOU have a better suggestion?
No, it doesn't. It has a gun, AND a sword. Not just one thing that changes into something else. The Z-Saber slashes things. The X-Gun shoots things. Would be the X-Buster, but... well, it's a gun, not an arm canon, so...
Gallade is the Model Z. Your gunner is the Model X. If you want a Model ZX... Go find something else.
Personally, though... I like my Gallade as Death, and my Gardevoir as Witch. Models D and W... if only, OH, if only... Of course, given that they called Model V Model W in the dub, then Pandora's model would be M for mage or something... Or S for sorceress... something like that. Probably S.
Gallant Gunner. French-ify it, then combine it. Better name get.
You guys take naming so seriously. Usually my names are unusually sarcastic or crude.
My Murkrows are named all sorts of boy/girl names ~
Problem: Gallant is the same in French as in English, and gunner translates to something like fousilleur (sp?), or artilleur, or canonnier. I can't find a good way to combine gallant with any of those words.
@Charon: Yes, but this is the name of an entire SPECIES of Pokemon. Besides, you're the one who names Pokemon things like Flamox. Flamonder sounds cool, but Flamox definitely doesn't. On the other hand, Zephyreon is a really cool name.
Galleur. Fousillant. Choose one. Better name get.
Galleur not so much. Fousillant would work, but it lacks a bit of the name theming. It's still good.
What's with that "Better name get." line? You having fun with your bad grammar there?
Play off of "Weapon GET!" from the Rockman series.
You'd think they could have better grammar than that.
Maybe they should "Grammar GET!"
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 07, January, 2010, 01:09:05 AM
How does Model ZX's Z-saber in that Megaman game (whose name eludes me)
Umm that game is called MEGAMAN ZX. Oh and speaking of Pokemon I always have a Pikachu in my teams because they're SOOOOO CUTE!!!
Quote from: Neko-chan on 07, January, 2010, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 07, January, 2010, 01:09:05 AM
How does Model ZX's Z-saber in that Megaman game (whose name eludes me)
Umm that game is called MEGAMAN ZX. Oh and speaking of Pokemon I always have a Pikachu in my teams because they're SOOOOO CUTE!!!
Go check my team, and come back to me, 'k? It's on the first page. There's a reason there's a little bit of Rockman talk in here.
And WEWY talk, too, for that matter.
Whoa... we flew off-topic in my short absence, didn't we?
Anyway... I GOT DIAMOND xD
My current team consists of Infernape, Empoleon, Torterra, Pikachu, Misdreavus, and Murkrow. It's probably the team that'll carry me through the Elite Four, unless I feel like I need to train a Garchomp.
Already? Dang, you've really been playing the hell out of that if you just got the game...
No, it wasn't off topic. It was related. Just misunderstood.
On the topic of naming pokemon... they need to name a pokemon Gahdh'and, already. Hey, if they could get away with arceus, surely they could get away with this =p
@Jamie: I can give you the short explanation as to why umbreon won't work as a salamence counter, or I can give you the long explanation. Which would you like?
Whichever explanation you like. On the other hand, I doubt the other people around here would appreciate text walls in this topic.
I can't seem to find the link button.>_>
Anyway, Leaf- http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64977
I've got something important to say-
The greatest combo ever.
Hippowdon for Sandstorm.
Ninjask: Protect: Speed +1, Sub: Speed +1 Attack +1, Protect: Speed +1, Baton Pass
Aggron: Head Smash
As long as Ninjask doesn't get outsped on the first Sub (highly unlikely- +1 with base 160) or ouprioritsed, and taking it's x4 Stealth Rock weakness, you get guaranteed +3 Speed and +1 Attack. If no Stealth Rock, guaranteed +5. Baton Pass into Aggron, who has a base 180 defence, 60 +1 (sandstorm) Special defence, and a 225 base power move (Head Smash) taking into account STAB, now with +1 attack. Give Aggron SubPunch for defence and decent coverage, and Magnet Rise to cancel out its 4x Ground weakness, and you've got one broken sweeper.
Been playing HeartGold for a few days now. Not bad. I'm on my way to the second gym, but I've taken the time to make sure all my pokemon are up to par with my leader, Quilava. (Cyndiquil evolved obviously.)
So here's my team.
Quilava level 15
Sparkley Pidgey level 10
Pidgey level 10
Rattata level 10
Spinarak level 10
Geodude Level 12
Beedrill (traded a Caterpie for a Weedle) level 12
Ghastley level 13
Togepi level 11
Rocky (Traded a bellsprout for this from an NPC) level 12
Magikarp level 10
Pokemon I haven't gotten around to training yet.
Caterpie level 4
Bellsprout level 3
Mareep level 6
Hoppip level 6
Unown A level 5
Unown E level 5
Unown G level 5
Pokemon I've run into
Spearow: Honestly, I hate these things more than Pidgeys. I'll catch one eventually and level it up, but for now I don't even bother.
Hoothoot: Another one I don't care for.
Sentret: Didn't want it so didn't bother.
My Pokemon Diamond team before my DS was stolen
Darkrai lv100 No cheats! Got it in a trade!
Giratina lv100
Dusknoir lv100
Spiritomb lv100
Gengar lv100 Palpark'd from my Firered game
Shedinja lv100 Palpark'd from my Emerald game
Told ya that I overuse dark and Ghost types!
My current team
Ampharos level 32
Charizard level 38
Fraligator level 40
Alaksam Level 32
Golem Level 30
Pretty good all round team, try to cover all major weaknessess
Quote from: Insularity on 09, February, 2010, 06:13:50 AM
I've got something important to say-
The greatest combo ever.
Hippowdon for Sandstorm.
Ninjask: Protect: Speed +1, Sub: Speed +1 Attack +1, Protect: Speed +1, Baton Pass
Aggron: Head Smash
As long as Ninjask doesn't get outsped on the first Sub (highly unlikely- +1 with base 160) or ouprioritsed, and taking it's x4 Stealth Rock weakness, you get guaranteed +3 Speed and +1 Attack. If no Stealth Rock, guaranteed +5. Baton Pass into Aggron, who has a base 180 defence, 60 +1 (sandstorm) Special defence, and a 225 base power move (Head Smash) taking into account STAB, now with +1 attack. Give Aggron SubPunch for defence and decent coverage, and Magnet Rise to cancel out its 4x Ground weakness, and you've got one broken sweeper.
/Roar
As for that salamence suspect test thread you linked earlier (that I somehow never saw as I forgot both about this topic and replying to jamie), did that ever go anywhere?
I just beat the 8th Gym in Heart Gold, my team is:
Kronk the Feraligatr
Jacob the Gengar
Walter the Dusknoir (Sent from Pearl as a lv 23 Duskull after 3rd Gym)
Giggity the Quagsire
Thomas the Murkrow
Batman (lol) the Larvitar (Sent from Pearl after 2nd gym, holding an everstone)
All are around lv 38 I think. Once my team gets to around 60 I'll be dropping my Quagsire for my Darkrai, Xeno, from Pearl.
Uhhh, the fifth gen of pokemon game has been announced!
Sometime this fall pokemon black and white will be released in japan!
OMFG I sound like a commercial.....
I found it while wandering around ign...
LOOKY LOOKY!
http://uk.ds.ign.com/articles/108/1082670p1.html
See? And nobody else cares that a new game for the ds that ISN'T those crappy minigames
is set to be released.....
Man, I can't effing wait!! [/epicnerdgasm]
Im not dying of excitement yet lol, but theres so many announcements recently and games / things that i cannot wait to get my hands on this year and next
Red Dead Redemption (Release 21nd May 2010)
Modnation Racers (Release 21nd May 2010)
Golden Sun DS (Pending Release)
Golden Sun Editor 0.3 (Pending Release...)
Gears of War 3 (Release 8 April 2011)
Dragon Ball Z Kai (Starting in May)
Pokemon Black and White (Pending US/EU Release)
All things i cant wait for
I bring good tidings... and the Pokemon Black and White Homepage!
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/bw/index.html
Supposedly we get new info on tax day.
More? To be honest, they seem to be rushing things... Surprised that there isn't a Pokemon that looks like a hamburger yet... Maybe we get them with this next series? They should slow down, since I finally lack the will to spend any more of my money (read: my mother to spend her money) on Pokemon. If the third generation were coming out around now, that would be a pretty good pace, but... I can't remember the nearly 600 names, when once I could actually name the first 151.
And yet there are no more Yoshi games coming out? Wah!
Anyway, if anyone is planning on getting one of these, will they tell everyone else if they are good or not?
Have a nice day.
They DO have a pokemon that looks like hamburger. It's called Miltank.
Im ready for a new Pokemon game, last one came out in 2007, not counting the remake of course. with this coming out next year in america, 2011.
thats long enough.
I'm looking forward to the new dex. I wonder what the new mons will be?
Also wanting the following combo for starters:
Grass/Fighting
Fire/Dark
Water/Psychic
or:
Grass/Dark
Fire/Psychic
Water/Fighting
I'm just saying. It'd be kinda neat.
Just... no more Fire/Fighting. We've had two of those already...
To be honest, I would rather have...
Grass/Psychic
Fire/Bug
Water/Poison
Oh, and they could be...
Leafer,
Scant,
Anthrop,
Hm... Maybe better names.
Have a nice day.
They'll probably rip off some of the fakemons seen in hacks...
I mean they don't really have any good ideas for new mons now that there's 493 of them, do they?
And Pokemon hackers have probably come up with the same ideas for pokemon that whoever makes the games has.
I'm expecting to see a LOT of lameass mons and EV forms of older mons like a mon that EV's from Lucario or Flotzel or Carnivine....
I'll be REALLY impressed if they actually think up some GOOD ones!
I mean what kind of pokemon were Drifbloon/blim, Cricketot/tune and that yeti thing? ( I know their types you sarcastic people)
They'd probably have names like Novacrone or Sandrago and for the new ubers, maybe Leviatop or Ryugi or possibly Sendriga. That's what I'd name 'em anyways.....
People have said this alot that they are running out of ideas, but really where the designs behind first gen like magnemite, voltorb, Muk etc
Pokemon black and white. Apparently, we're going retro now. It really seems too soon for a new pokemon game, though...
Oh, and nero... please don't ever refer to "evolve" or "evolved" as "EV" ever again. "EV" has a very different and a very well-established meaning; it stands for "Effort Value," and EV training a pokemon is the key to customizing them the way you want. I had to re-read that sentence to figure out what you meant since the typical meaning of "EV" made absolutely no sense in that context.
Well, I guess they ran out of uber-fancy gemstones to use. Or they like going retro (which may or may not be a good thing).
What's so bad about drifloon/lim? I don't see anything wrong with a blimp pokemon, except for the uncreative names.
And Riolu/Lucario was genius. Running out of ideas, riiiiight...
Ahem.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/aeca5415a3b75759d2c5a4af4e96d9e1.jpg)
That is all.
@Role: Lolwut? What's that supposed to be? (I know they're pokemon chars)
Pokemon Special characters with water starters: Water > Fire
Pokemon Special characters with fire starters: RAAAAAAAGE!
Green/Gary MFing Oak: Oi... CALM DOWN.
Pokemon Special characters with grass starters: Hey, Crystal, these donuts are great!
Wow, Pokemon White and Black look like it'll actually be fun to play and the legends look like epic armored dragon/beasties. The starters are really cute too...
@Role's pic:This is who im guessing is in the picture
left to right
Top
Dawn, Landon(?), Girl player from FR & LG,(Rival)Gold from Pokemon HG & SS
Middle
May(why is she wearing blue?), Silver , Rival from D/P/PL(cant remember his name), Gary Oak
Bottom
I dont know the kid in green, Lyra, Red(?), Lucas(?)
:Isaac: :VenusDjinni: :Felix:
They're from Pokemon special, the manga.
From left to right they are:
Top
Platina/Platinum, Ruby, Green, Silver
Middle
Saphire, Gold, Pearl, and Blue
Bottom
Emerald, Crystal, Red, Diamond
Wow... i was off. I was guessing off apperences.
Whats the Manga about?
:Isaac: :VenusDjinni: :Felix:
ahem, to start about the new pokemons for Black and white here.
Tsutarja- (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/d/de/494Tsutarja.png/180px-494Tsutarja.png)
type- Grass
species- Grass Snake Pokémon
weight-0.6m
Height-8.1kg
Pokabu- (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/0/0a/497Pokabu.png/190px-497Pokabu.png)
type- Fire
species- Fire Pig Pokemon
Weight 0.5m
Height 9.9kg
Mijumaru- (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/8/87/500Mijumaru.png/180px-500Mijumaru.png)
type- water
species-sea otter pokemon
weight 0.5m
Height 5.9kg
That's them. I'm just bored. and some people don't know so I show them
...The water starter looks...weird. But the grass one looks nice enough.
I just hope they don't add more 100 pokemons. God, they're almost 500 already, right? How are we supposed to catch them all? :fury: >_>
The water starter looks like the deranged lovechild of Piplup and Kricketot. I personally like the grass one the most.
In HG I've been going around with my killer Chatot "Rainbow" and seeing how far I can go in the Battle Hall.
Prepare. To. Be. Chattered.
QuoteI just hope they don't add more 100 pokemons. God, they're almost 500 already, right? How are we supposed to catch them all? :fury: >_>
Lol I know, right? By the end of the decade, there'd probably be 1000 pokemon :Sweat:
I wonder what ubers the new games will have. There's already Arceus, which is said to have MADE THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD! What will they do for the Black & White versions? I bet they'll make more hugeass dragons...
Yup. The new pokemons that appear to be the legendaries look like huge mechanical dragons with a drill on their back... Yes, a drill.
Quote from: MegaDarkNero on 01, June, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
I wonder what ubers the new games will have. There's already Arceus, which is said to have MADE THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD! What will they do for the Black & White versions? I bet they'll make more hugeass dragons...
The excuse will probably go a little like this:
"Well, ARCEUS was God... of the Sinnoh region."
For Christ's sake they should just program Chuck Norris into the damn game.
Yeah, or even some of the other holy figures of this world, like the ones that druids and Futureshop employees worship. Also, for a new Dark type, BP? Lol, enough real life jokes from me about this for now.
Anyway, now that I have seen the starters, I am even less likely to get either Black or White (I must say that I do kind of like that grass starter though, but the water is just strange, and the fire looks almost like a remake of Grumpig mixed with Pikachu and Charmander (though maybe a tiny bit cute, but...)). If I ultimately do decide on getting one of them, it will be White with that grass starter (which is not usual for me, since I tend to go for water starters in almost each game).
1st generation - Squirtle/Charmander (Water type/Charizard is awesome)
2nd generation - Barely played, but have gone for either Chikorita or Totodile (Cyndaquil was neat, but I did not find it particularly useful to own, especially with some of the stronger bosses (like the dragon user)). Totodile for water, Chikorita because it was my favourite starter (if female).
3rd generation - Usually Mudkip, sometimes Treecko or Torchic (Treecko was not common with me, and Torchic once gave me like 40+ baby Torchics because of a farm at the breeder's I started). Lost the game and my almost 60-70 Torchics.
4th generation - Piplup (did you see the others? Yuck! Besides, there have been enough grass types in the game (and grass + earth is extremely weak to flying, which I tend to use in each game as well)), and Fire + Fighting already happened, just before this generation.
5th generation - Not out yet, but I like that grass starter. The fire is cute but looks like a crossbred Grunpig and Charmander (not to mention a tiny bit of Pikachu and Flaafy in there), and the water looks more demented than the Beijing mascots for the Olympics a few years ago.
Now, what does everyone else prefer?
Have a nice day.
The water starter at least looks the most original. The fire and grass starters look like rips of spoink/phanpy and treeko, respectively.
@Sajin: Technically, if you count the alternate forms of pokemon certain pokemon (ie. skymin and the rotom forms), they've already hit over 500. When alternate forms don't count, they're already up to 493, so between five different alternate forms for rotom, three alternate forms for deoxys, and one alternate form each for shaymin and giratina, that goes up to 503.
Well it's hard to be original when you have about 500 pokemon >_<
So, 503? Meh, since I didn't played neither D/P the only ones I know from the fourth generation are the starters and few others that actually have a good design.
Leaf, none of them look original. The grass starter looks like seviper+treecko, the fire one charmander+grumpig and the water one quagsire+a snow man with ears.
QuoteThe grass starter looks like seviper+treecko, the fire one charmander+grumpig and the water one quagsire+a snow man with ears.
Grass: I would have thought of Treecko and Flygon, but I can see Seviper in it too.
Fire: Lol, I thought so too! I added Pikachu for the yellow strip on his head, and Flaafy for the ball on the end of the tail, but it is mostly Charmander and Grumpig. Maybe its name sets will be: Bakon (Bake + Bacon) - Hamoven (Ham + Oven) - Incineroast (Incinerator + Roast)? Lol, I would actually like to have a Bakon pokemon.
Water: To be honest, it looks like a combination of one of the seal pokemon (maybe Seal itself), Foatzel, and I can see Squirtle in there, you just have to reduce the front side of his body to a small patch, and then remove the shell.
Personally, I would have liked cross-type starters, like a Fire starter that also becomes water when it evolves, or grass that also becomes fire. Better yet, we have yet to have bug or psychic starters (unless psychic is coming now with the fire pig?).
Also, for Arceus, don't forget that you can change his type and colour scheme by giving him different plates. I thought Castform would have counted as well, but considering his other forms are only used for battle, it is barely like adding pokemon to the total. Also, Lugia doesn't count, right? In XD: Gale of Darkness, he was extremely cool looking as Shadow Lugia (and after curing him, went straight to Emerald before I discovered the ability to teleport to each of the legendary islands). I now have a nice collection of legendaries in Diamond, but they are stuck there because I only have the one DS.
Have a nice day.
Edit: There are also the Mystery Dungeon games, first to introduce a purple Kecleon and Primal Dialga (I would also mention the Pink Celebi, but it almost looks like regular shiny Celebi, so...).
There's also Burmy's three different forms, along with its evolutions I think.
Anyway, I just realized I never posted my pokemon teams.
Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow:
Lvl 100 Charizard (Blaze)
Lvl 97 Pikachu from pokemon stadium with surf
Lvl 100 Vaporeon (Aqua)
Pokemon Gold, Silver, Crystal:
Lvl 100 Charizard (Blaze) from Red
Lvl 100 Pikachu with surf From Yellow
Lvl 85 Snorlax (Tubby)
Lvl 90 Dragonite (Drak)
Pokemon Ruby and Emerald
Lvl 100 Swampert (Muddy) my starter
Lvl 100 Pikachu
Lvl 100 Sceptile traded to my game
Lvl 100 Blaziken traded to my game
Pokemon Platinum
Lvl 100 Infernape
Lvl 100 Pikachu From Battle Revolution with Volt tackle and Surf
Lvl 100 Espeon
Lvl 100 Glaceon
Lvl 100 Flareon
Lvl 100 Umbreon
Haven't played Heart Gold in a while so... no team there.
Those are pretty neat teams.
Hm... I always move my teams over into either Diamond or Platinum (which is why I want a used DS with charger, in case I forget my good one at home). Diamond has most of my coded team members, including my shiny Charizard with Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, Frenzy Plant, and... Either Fly or Synthesis, I forget. I know that both of my Empoleons (one in each game) are fully legitimate. I do have a level 47 Palkia in Diamond, but I had to use an encounter code to find it (shh...). Other than that, I think the rest are legitimate? I know I have a level 93 shiny Latias somewhere that is not.
It does have most of my legitimate legendaries as well (I only hack and raise the trio pokemon, like Articuno or Suicune, I don't bother with legendaries like Manaphy (hated to level it up, but it was forced at the daycare) or Mew or Dialga). You know how using codes to capture Mew in Emerald usually doesn't work, and it does not work in the other games (you can, but it ignores you)? Nice thing about Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, but I can move over the disobediant Pokemon to make them obey me. Of course, I only use codes for fun, but one can only play Pokemon for so long before the game becomes boring, so...
In Sapphire, I actually did have a shiny Pokemon that was legitimate, Sharpedo. I also found a shiny Cascoon in that game, but my whole team was like 50+ in a level 5 zone... It died. Unfortunately, I lost both my Sharpedo and my Torchic army a few years ago. Never once used codes on those games, because it took a while for me to tire of them.
In XD, Gale of Darkness, I usually raise an Espeon (starter Eevee that can be given an item for it to evolve into any Eevee evolution you want), as well as a Tediursa, Spheal, and Seedot. Any others are usually just to purify them. I don't use codes there either, but I used to for colliseum (who wouldn't want to steal Pokemon whenever they wanted?).
Have a nice day.
My Platinum team.
Lvl 100 Gengar (from Fire Red and a few trades)
Lvl 80 Dusknoir (was my Lvl 50 Dusklops (spelled wrong?) from Emerald)
Lvl 90 Sableye (from Ruby)
Lvl 80 Absol (from Sapphire)
Lvl 90 Metagross (from Ruby, again)
Lvl 100 Gallade (from Diamond and some trades)
Yeah. I mostly play with ghosts and darks, but I sometimes use psychics.
And Whizkid: Wormadam has 3 forms aswell, but Mothim doesn't >_<
Sala: Hahaha lol, dood.
Oh, don't forget Shellos and Gastrodon, both with western and eastern forms.
Dark/ghost team seems pretty cool. The closest I have made it to level 100 with was at least one of the free Umbreons from Colliseum (since you get two starters in that game, Espeon and Umbreon).
Lol for which part? I still wish I could use codes on XD, because I would have liked to have Bonsly on my team (which would not be able to go to my GBA games anyway, but it would have been neat to have).
There are also genders, for different forms. For example, in newer games, Male and Female Pikachu have slightly different tails, and a few others have differences as well.
Have a nice day.
Those aren't actually different pokemon though. If we go by that logic, then all 27 unowns would be included as well. Anyway, I had a shiny Tentacool way back when in Gold. I also had a few shiny legends from hours, and hours, and hours of playing and resetting. I remember getting a black Rayquaza once... only to trip and corrupt my save data a minute later... :sad:
It was awesome showing them off to my friends. But I erased those files a long time ago and I don't have anymore shinies.
Platinum team:
Lv 100 Giratina
Lv 100 Mewtwo (from FireRed, was level 70something when I traded it over)
Lv 70something Gallade
Lv 70something Lucario
Lv 70something Gardevoir
Lv 80something Lapras (from FireRed, was level 60something when I traded it over)
I also have a Shiny Houndoom.
Now if only I could find a legitimate copy of Pokemon Emerald...
Oh yeah, I forgot about all those other pokemon with alternate forms... so I guess the number's even higher than that. I wouldn't count the gastrodon/shellos or unown forms, tbh, since it doesn't change anything about the pokemon's stats/movepool/type/ability. If the different form makes the pokemon functionally different from its original form, then I'd classify it as a new pokemon.
Oh yeah, Lapras is another Pokemon that I really like, along with Vaporeon. I would love to have a shiny Houndoom... And I think I will. I just have to restart the save file in either FireRed or LeafGreen though (while I am at it).
That would make sense, for Pokemon differences. I guess Inverted Kecleon (purple) and Primal Dialga wouldn't count either. Pink Celebi is a bit different (not shiny, but mystery dungeon), since waiting outside of the exit to the Pokemon town and talking to her does not bring up normal dialogue, but instead "Celebi #", where the # is the number of her pose when talking. Other than that, she is normal.
Have a nice day.
Lol I remember when I found my first shiny pokemon in silver. It was an Oddish, before the second badge I think (in the forest where you supposely can catch a Celebi). At first I thought it was a glitch and then I though "Wow, it's golden! I bet it gives a ton of EXP!" So I went and killed it. :Sweat:
Oh, well...
My current HG team (all Lv100):
Ninjask (Red Baron)
Focus Sash
Moves:
Protect
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Aerial Ace
Honchkrow (Eric)
Life Orb
Moves:
Drill Peck
Night Slash
Superpower
Fly (but I probably will replace it with Sucker Punch)
Garchomp *shiny* (Meteor)
That berry that weakens Ice type moves
Moves:
Earthquake
Poison Jab
Dragon Claw
...sometging, can't remember ATM
Floatzel (Picardfish)
Expert Belt
Moves:
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Bulk Up
Crunch
Usually I switch Pokémon here and there - my fifth and sixth Pokemon can be Jolteon, Sceptile (Tex), Grumpig (Non-Kosher), Glaceon (Sarah), Metagross(Mechazor, Tech), Lucario (Anubis), Gardevoir (Lanaya), Skarmory (Skablade) or Swellow(Albert).
I also have trained a killer Chatot. lolwut
Pokemon Black & White will be released in Japan on September 18, and in the US and Europe sometime in spring next year (woot).
Well, that's what Wikipedia said anyways >_>
I can't wait. The 3v3 battles will make TAOW's battle frontier MUCH more streamlined.
I hate to be Mr. Negative, but I don't like the artwork for this new generation. It looks like a 5th grader designed the new Pokemon. Anyway, I don't really like Online-Play which gave the DS games its replay value, so I won't be buying B/W/G.
So basically if it's not the original, it's not good enough for you, right?
Corgi: Who said anything about a Grey version?
I see where the names are going though.
And I bet that the next games (after the release of Black & White) are going to be remakes of Ruby and Sapphire for the 3DS.
Nah, we still have a few years before that I think. Besides, if we get the virtual console on 3DS, we may not get remakes at all.
the new Pokemon do look terrible...
unimpressed i am at the moment,
Quote from: Role on 09, August, 2010, 12:52:17 PM
So basically if it's not the original, it's not good enough for you, right?
Naw, I played all the way to Soul Silver (which I never finished). I just wish Game Freak would put more detail into the design of the Pokemon. The legends look interesting though. It seems like they just slopped through the new generation until they got to the legends, then they took their time.
Relevent comic is relevent (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=261).
I kinda stopped playing before Diamond & Pearl, I probably shouldn't have though.
The new features of Diamond/Pearl made it worth playing. The thing that made me dislike D/P/Pt was how the developers lead you once place, then expected you to take a completely different direction in order to advance. Sinnoh was really annoying, and there were many times when I was confused about what I should be doing and where I needed to go. Also, I felt online-play was overrated, but that's one of the things that made the game so popular, so I can't really complain about it.
Yeah, the separation of Physical and Special from typing was a VERY good thing for the series. Now the addition of what looks like some more tactical combat involved with the 3v3 battles (I had before thought it's just another gimmick, like the 2v2 battles were, but it actually is showing enough complexity to be kind of fun... could do wonders in the Battle Frontier), we've got 100% new pokemon until the Nat'l dex.
I'll agree with one big thing - they lack a lot of the detail of the early mons, when you look at the modern art for the series, period, even the old-school mons are lacking a lot of the detail the once had. Too few have been uncovered for me to really give a decent opinion so far on the new mons, but just as with the older ones, they're hit and miss for me. Some I love, others are... ugggh.
What I'm wondering, though... what's the big new thing being introduced in this gen?
1st introduced the series as a whole
2nd introduced many expansions, such as genders, breeding, and 'shinies', as well as the introduction of the 'battle tower'.
3rd introduced an option other than just battling, as well as the pokemon abilities. It also expanded battle tower into the 'battle frontier'.
4th introduced a more refined battle system, as well as Wifi capabilities.
5th we know has actual online play, as well as what looks like more strategic battle possibilities, but what else will it bring? Just those couple alone wouldn't really be enough for a full on new generation, especially since it's not even gonna be for the 3DS, but instead on the same console as an existing gen...
And that's not all the expansions each gen has given - those are just the ones off the top of my head. With each gen, the system gets more refined and perfected. While you can make the fuss of not liking the mons in the new gen, you'd be a fool not to get it for that reason alone - you can ALWAYS toss them aside and get your old-school team. New mons aren't the only features worth checking out.
One big question, though - is it worth getting the games as they come out, or should we wait for the expansion pack? Or will they surprise us and actually give us a direct sequel for once? It's not easy to play Platinum when you've played the hell out of Diamond or Pearl, after all - one great way to remedy that is to not make the third game like an expansion pack, and instead make a whole new story instead. After all, a lot of us are catching on - some people didn't get Sapphire or Ruby so they could just get Emerald instead, some waited for Platinum, and now I for one will be waiting for Gray/Sepia/whatever they'll call the third game before I start actually playing.
You can bet I'll be planning my team out, though.
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Red/Blue + Gold+Silver + Mudkip evos + Turtwig evos are the best...
Until I see the final evos of the new B+W monsters im calling crap as they all look to kiddie
Yeah, they do look childish. They would look a bit better if they were to have more than just rounded edges, as it looks like their bodies are made of circles and curves.
Oh, I have a random question... I was trading with my friend when I was glitched into the Mystery Zone. Long story short, I can not leave now. Does anybody know of Action Replay codes that can poison and/or kill each of the six members in my team? Yes, haha, I am asking for cheat codes. However, I have never used codes for Platinum before, and I even wiped my device (which is now only used for emergencies, like this).
Lol, maybe we get a fiery warthog? So far, if I were to get one of these games, I would just go for the pig. It would be best to wait and see how the gyms and Elite 4 would be first though.
Have a nice day.
I have a feeling that they're using rejected ideas for pokémon from previous games these days.
The grass one looks like a ripoff of Treecko, the fire one looks like a combination of Spoink and Aron, and the water one looks like a deformed Piplup >_<
A lot of the new pokemon look more like mario characters or something. I just checked them out on serebii... some are cool but others are just... why?
Of course, this is a new generation that they have spewed out, now that they are tired with the one that they created a few years ago. I might have to start saving Master Balls for the legendary Stickmen pokemon though.
Have a nice day.
Quotethey all look to kiddie
That applies to
all non-evolved pokemon, you know...
I suppose so, but even some of the recent legendaries look childish (like Manaphy, for example). They are well suited for a cartoon, but they barely match the art style used so far in the games. Also, does anyone agree with me when I say that a pokemon can not die of poison outside of battle is a stupid idea?
Have a nice day.
Mew and Celebi look pretty childish as well. Hell, they look perfect for a cartoon. I always personally thought mew looked pretty stupid, actually.
ALL pokemon designs are hit and miss. MOST first stage pokemon are cute and childish, but guess what, THEY GROW OUT OF IT. Your arguments here fail because they can be applied to every generation. Judge not by nostalgia, and instead by actual gameplay when it comes out. Honestly, sometimes I really don't understand that part of the poke-fandom... bashing anything that's new without valid reasons...
Quote from: Role on 11, August, 2010, 04:32:38 AM
Mew and Celebi look pretty childish as well. Hell, they look perfect for a cartoon. I always personally thought mew looked pretty stupid, actually.
ALL pokemon designs are hit and miss. MOST first stage pokemon are cute and childish, but guess what, THEY GROW OUT OF IT. Your arguments here fail because they can be applied to every generation. Judge not by nostalgia, and instead by actual gameplay when it comes out. Honestly, sometimes I really don't understand that part of the poke-fandom... bashing anything that's new without valid reasons...
I hate when people say that, I detest it, Look at the first 3 then the latest 3, theres no contest on which look a tad more badass. Your point in saying wait till it comes out before making judgement doesn't effect me. I was always open to new Pokemon in GS / RS so nostalgic doesn't play any part in it, I simply think the new starters look trash.
Any other game there was at least one starter that stood out thus I would pick, now I have no idea.
Yeah, starter Pokemon used to allow the player to select based on either the type, or on what stood out the most to them. However, starting with the fourth generation, it was only the evolutions that stood out (with the exception of Turtwig, who was not as bad as the other two). Now it seems that we have to be forced to choose by type, evolutions (which we will have to spend a little bit of time for), or on what we know about upcoming gyms. I mean, I would choose Piplup over Turtwig because of the type (water + steel), and for the fact that most of the gyms/Elite 4 would be weaker. Of course, there is a greater need to create a whole team instead of making a single Pokemon into a superpower, but with Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, we have:
Rock
Steel
Ghost
Water
Grass
Electric
Ice
Fighting
Fire
Bug
Earth
Psychic
So basically, If we take a look, Empoleon would be better against the majority of these, since it is also of the Steel type (and the whole point of the list was to show that it seems like Nintendo now expects us to pick based on how easy it would be to play the game, instead of picking our favourites). Basically, the only weaknesses that I am aware of would be Fighting, Electric, and Grass (unless you manage to evolve Piplup/Prinplup into Empoleon, as Grass is not effective against Steel).
Have a nice day.
Empoleon is a special attacker, though - its physical attack stat sucks, so there's... what, one, maybe two steel type special attacks in the game? You're better off doing what metagame players do anyways - have all your bases covered. Have either 3 attacks of varying types and one support skill, or four different types of attacks.
That is true. However, I just use Steel as an extra defence (for example, to help against Grass), and then I normally fill up with water or ice moves. I was also lucky this time round to have an Empoleon with a nice base Attack, so I suppose that has something to do with it as well.
Also, I made it out of the Mystery Zone (aka, Misery Zone), so I can play again. Not sure if I will do very much more after that frightening experience though.
Have a nice day.
Every generation, this is what happens:
People want a new Pokemon game.
Game is announced, and everyone says that Pokemon should just give up and die.
Some Pokemon are revealed, and everyone says that they look like c***.
Game comes out, people go buy it anyway despite all the complaining.
People then promptly start discussing how completely awesome it is.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 16, August, 2010, 03:06:39 AM
Every generation, this is what happens:
People want a new Pokemon game.
Game is announced, and everyone says that Pokemon should just give up and die.
Some Pokemon are revealed, and everyone says that they look like c***.
Game comes out, people go buy it anyway despite all the complaining.
People then promptly start discussing how completely awesome it is.
THANK YOU.This is why I hate people who keep whining about it.
Yeah, that is basically it. To be honest though, I never started playing other Nintendo games until after the release of the third generation (including Pokemon, since I only really used to play Mario/Yoshi/DK and Zelda), and I decided that it was best to avoid complaining about the fourth, and now I am catching up on the fifth (but I love that white legendary).
Have a nice day.
QuoteI love that white legendary
You mean Reshiram, right? Yeah, the new legendaries are gonna be awesome.
I've never been a big fan of legendaries... So you all know my attitude will be "Meh" as it's always been. I really don't find them all that legendary personally. Afterall, surely if it was that great I'd want it on my team... y'know?
Quote from: Role on 17, August, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
I've never been a big fan of legendaries... So you all know my attitude will be "Meh" as it's always been. I really don't find them all that legendary personally. Afterall, surely if it was that great I'd want it on my team... y'know?
Am I the only one that found this completely nonsensical in regards to the rest of the post?
I've never liked legendaries that much. I don't see them as being all that great, so they go straight to my box. In EVERY generation it's been like that. Maybe I just worded it wrong?
Quote from: leafgreen386 on 17, August, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: Role on 17, August, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
I've never been a big fan of legendaries... So you all know my attitude will be "Meh" as it's always been. I really don't find them all that legendary personally. Afterall, surely if it was that great I'd want it on my team... y'know?
Am I the only one that found this completely nonsensical in regards to the rest of the post?
No. Role doesn't like legendaries because they ARE legendary. They have crazy-high stats, good type combos, and generally unfair special moves.
And they look awesome too.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 18, August, 2010, 06:52:03 PM
No. Role doesn't like legendaries because they ARE legendary. They have crazy-high stats, good type combos, and generally unfair special moves.
Yet... they can always be taken out by any other pokemon... >.>
Well, not ANY other Pokemon, and it requires strategy.
Quote from: Whizkidhv on 18, August, 2010, 10:24:38 PM
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 18, August, 2010, 06:52:03 PM
No. Role doesn't like legendaries because they ARE legendary. They have crazy-high stats, good type combos, and generally unfair special moves.
Yet... they can always be taken out by any other pokemon... >.>
Just because shedinja can laugh at half the uber metagame doesn't mean that every pokemon can. Take infernape. That thing rapes in standard play, but throw it in an uber match and suddenly it's not so fearsome.
Quote from: RoleI've never liked legendaries that much. I don't see them as being all that great, so they go straight to my box. In EVERY generation it's been like that. Maybe I just worded it wrong?
It sounds more like you don't like the
designs of legendaries, rather than thinking that they're weak, because it's simply
fact that there are some legendaries that are leagues above the other pokemon (mewtwo says hi), even if others are indeed vastly inferior to non-legends (poor regigigas).
Legendaries are strong (with a few exceptions of course), but their designs are lacking (then again, a lot of gen 4 and gen 5 Pokemon have been lacking in design). I'm really quite on the fence if I want to get generation 5, because most of the Pokemon look like Sugimoribarf, but it might be interesting to see some new strategies pop up (although I am really hating 3-3 battles). It really depends on how the game adjusts with the new 100 billion or so Pokemon.
Well, 3-3 battles look mediocre to me, since the double battles were fine themselves. I would consider getting one of these games if:
1. There is a Light type (hopefully super-effective against Ghost and Dark, so "Wondertomb" is not so wonderful), and
2. More slots on my team. I mean, I would prefer to bring at least 10 Pokemon around with me instead of 6.
The design lacks sufficient detail. Overall, the third generation had the most unique Pokemon (like Rayquaza, Tropius and Milotic), and then it seems that they replaced their art team for the following generations. I mean, why again do we have the Psychic trio? Virtually no significant detail, and they all look the same. At least with the three birds, it was obvious that they differed.
Have a nice day.
P.S. I can celebrate my Shiny Articuno now, right? I caught it a week ago, and managed to make it level 100 even more recently.
Quote from: Salanewt on 19, August, 2010, 12:43:45 PM
1. There is a Light type (hopefully super-effective against Ghost and Dark, so "Wondertomb" is not so wonderful), and
It already exists: Psychic.
Quote2. More slots on my team. I mean, I would prefer to bring at least 10 Pokemon around with me instead of 6.
Uh... not happening. It's been 4 generations of having 6 pokemon on a team with 4 moves each. You really think they'd change that now?
QuoteP.S. I can celebrate my Shiny Articuno now, right? I caught it a week ago, and managed to make it level 100 even more recently.
Why couldn't you celebrate it before?
1. True, but that form of "light" can not even touch Dark. It would be nice to have something to be able to add to my team to help fight the Dark + Ghost combinations (which have no weaknesses, so one could easily create a "Supereye" or something if they give it Wonder Guard as an ability).
2. I change my mind about what I said. However, I initially wanted it because of the 3-3 battles.
3. I was stuck in the Mystery Zone until last week. If using Walk Through Walls (my friend had two Action Replays and wanted me to try one out), never enter the Union Room from behind the Pokemon Center clerk and trade. Luckily, codes exist to allow me to change my coordinates, so I just flew away. I suppose I could have celebrated it after getting out, but I was too tired of Pokemon at that point (and I also only brought it to level 100 very recently).
Oh yeah, I might brag about my team, which I want to be able to transfer to the next generation.
[spoiler=Team]
Espeon
Vaporeon*
Arcanine*
Suicune
Articuno*
Latias*
* - Shiny.[/spoiler]
Have a nice day.
Nice. 4 shinies.
And just run something with STAB and a decent atk/satk to take down spiritomb. Yeah, it's a good wall, but it's far from unbeatable. Sableye is a horrible pokemon. And it doesn't matter if you could cheat to make a wondertomb, because that's uh... you know... an illegal ability for it?
Quote from: leafgreen386 on 19, August, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Quote from: Whizkidhv on 18, August, 2010, 10:24:38 PM
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 18, August, 2010, 06:52:03 PM
No. Role doesn't like legendaries because they ARE legendary. They have crazy-high stats, good type combos, and generally unfair special moves.
Yet... they can always be taken out by any other pokemon... >.>
Just because shedinja can laugh at half the uber metagame doesn't mean that every pokemon can. Take infernape. That thing rapes in standard play, but throw it in an uber match and suddenly it's not so fearsome.
Quote from: RoleI've never liked legendaries that much. I don't see them as being all that great, so they go straight to my box. In EVERY generation it's been like that. Maybe I just worded it wrong?
It sounds more like you don't like the designs of legendaries, rather than thinking that they're weak, because it's simply fact that there are some legendaries that are leagues above the other pokemon (mewtwo says hi), even if others are indeed vastly inferior to non-legends (poor regigigas).
A little from column A, a bit from column B. Not a big fan of a lot of the designs, but more than that, it's a me thing.
Let me put it like this - in SRPGs, I only use the main characters if I'm FORCED to. I stick to generics because I just like them more. Sure, the non-generics have better growth rates and unique skills, but I prefer the generics. Pokemon is the same way - if I can't find multiples or breed it, then it's box fodder and nothing more.
QuoteNice. 4 shinies.
Thanks.
As for the illegal ability, that is true. However, it doesn't always stop people from using it.
Have a nice day.
It's annoying when you go onto the Wifi battle tower and see someone with all shinies in their party. Especially if they're ones that are impossible to get via Pokeradar or legendaries. Regardless, its funny when you kick their butt. hehehehe
Besides, non-shiny Eric the Honchkrow still kicks some serious whoop-@#$, so I don't really care that much for them anymore. But congratulations, Sala.
QuoteLet me put it like this - in SRPGs, I only use the main characters if I'm FORCED to. I stick to generics because I just like them more. Sure, the non-generics have better growth rates and unique skills, but I prefer the generics. Pokemon is the same way - if I can't find multiples or breed it, then it's box fodder and nothing more.
WTF? That's the total opposite of how I play.
In SRPGs, I ALWAYS use the main characters, generics are just plain boring.
Anyone who has the exact same skills, class or sprite, I just don't use 'em. SIMPLE.
Same in Pokemon, I DO use non-legends a lot though, I almost never breed 'em or catch the same Pokemon more than once, unless I want a Raichu with Volt Tackle.
Legendaries, unless they're lameasses like Regigigas, are in my party most of the time.
I play in the middle. I do like to use the main characters/legendaries, but only if I have worked on them or if I feel like working on them (unless if they are like Dialga or Rayquaza in Pokemon, then I use them for my Legendary Collection). For example, my current team consists of three legendary Pokemon, but they are not the upper class legendaries... Latias holds a Soul Dew, but that is only because I can not think of a better item to give it. Out of my whole team, my Espeon has the best Speed (277), and my Vaporeon has the best HP (375, but its speed is little over 130). They are not legendaries, but they have better stats than many of the other Pokemon which I have worked on.
Have a nice day.
The thing about legendaries - how are they legendary if everyone has one and is using them?
Back in RGBY, EVERYONE had Mewtwo on their team, and quite possibly one of the legendary birds as well. Where's the fun in it when everyone's using the same guys since they're considered "uber"? It's like playing Disgaea with Baal on your team.
I just call them that because they are at the end of the generation, and they do not evolve. I can see your point about them not being legendary if everyone can have them. In fact, for the GBA/DS games, the only true legendaries are really Celebi, as I do not believe that anybody can get her without codes (oh, and Arceus does not count, since many people use codes to capture it at Spear Pillar, which is where you can find it with the Azure Flute). Pokemon like Mewtwo, Kyogre and Dialga can be found by everyone who owns the games, pokemon like Lugia or Entei can be found in the Gamecube games, and pokemon Ho-oh, Mew, Deoxys, and Lugia (again) can be found if you have the special events (something which anybody with an Action Replay can access). The legendary beasts do roam in FireRed/LeafGreen, but you can only get one (and even then, you can just snag them all in Colosseum and trade them over).
To summarize, every legendary except for Celebi can be obtained in Pokemon, whether it be through normal gameplay or through event activation codes (or by trading from one game to another). I think that there is a Jirachi event for Platinum, so you can get it at level 5 from somebody in a PokeMart.
Have a nice day.
Edit: It seems that there is a Celebi event for Heart Gold/Soul Silver? Okay then, I guess that there really is no true legendary anymore.
Wow, you're complaining about them being
called legendary? Fail. Who cares what they're called? What makes them special is that you can only obtain them once per game, and they have abnormally high stats.
And sala, just fyi, there is a legendary capable of evolution. Phione ring a bell?
Quote from: Charon the Ferryman on 20, August, 2010, 11:17:18 AM
It's annoying when you go onto the Wifi battle tower and see someone with all shinies in their party. Especially if they're ones that are impossible to get via Pokeradar or legendaries. Regardless, its funny when you kick their butt. hehehehe
Actually, through RNG manipulation, you can get a shiny legendary pretty quickly. Whether it'll have a good nature/IVs or not, though, is an entirely different story. To get the right nature/IVs in some cases, you might have to wait several days (in actual game time), at which point if your timing is off by even a frame, you'll miss it.
QuoteAnd sala, just fyi, there is a legendary capable of evolution. Phione ring a bell?
It is true that Manaphy hatches out of an egg, and lays eggs that hatch Phione. However, Phione can not evolve. Almost in a way like comparing a Queen Bee, as they can lay eggs, from which larvae hatch, and then can only become either Workers or Drones unless they are nourished in Royal Jelly. Phione is like a Worker Bee, as it can not lay eggs but it has a similar appearance. By the way, please understand that I forget why I brought up Bees in particular.
QuoteWow, you're complaining about them being called legendary? Fail. Who cares what they're called? What makes them special is that you can only obtain them once per game, and they have abnormally high stats.
Not necessarily, what you say would otherwise be true. They mostly have amazing stats, and they are rare (through normal play, without cheats or trading, only one can be found per save file). Pretty nice to have when playing the game normally, or if showing them off to your friends. Getting a Shiny Mesprit would be awesome, as would be a Shiny Cresselia (as they wander, so you can not guarantee them to be shiny without the use of codes). I am just saying that it is quite easy to get them.
1, Not cheating: While there might only be one during each game, one with a friend could trade all of their legendaries, erase their file, and then trade them back. One could very easily get at least 10 Dialgas within a week, just by trading back and forth. Still easy to get some legendary Pokemon, especially for honest people. There is also the fact that Manaphy lays Eggs, so it is very easy to get as many Phiones as you want (but I think that it has mediocre stats compared to several of the other legendaries). Without erasing my file, and just trading between my own games, I myself can get 3 Articunos (4 if I count the roaming one in Platinum).
2, Codes: And then we have re-battle codes, allowing the player to cheat to constantly re-battle legendary pokemon. If sticking with codes, we even have a very simple cloning code now, so one could clone entire PC boxes within seconds. There are so many codes for creating pokemon, whether it be by team replacement, wild encounter (which now comes with one for pokemon, nature, level, etc.), or re-battle. Heck, one can even steal from trainers with 99.9% chance of leaving with a Pokemon instead of a Bad EGG, and there is a shiny code that works on all Wild, Egg, and Trainer Pokemon.
It is certainly true that not everyone cheats (including myself, only having tried walking through walls in Platinum with my friend's AR), but there are practically millions of ways to get them. On top of that, not everyone who plays Pokemon is honest, and some of these methods make it much harder for them to be blocked on Wi-fi. I mean, I could just trade my beautiful Articuno, but have it waiting in my PC for a new Regice partner.
Have a nice day.
P.S. Sorry for the numerous paragraphs, but I have so much to say about legendaries.
Edit: I forgot to mention Emerald. One could very easily steal some top-grade Pokemon from the Battle Factory, if using Walk Through Walls and Warp codes. I will not go into too much detail with that though, since it does not allow you to steal legendaries.
The only time I use cheats is to complete my pokedex, and (if I ever find the codes to do so) beat the freaking contests, which are IMPOSSIBLE for me to do. I have crappy hand eye coordination, and slow reflexes, and the 'dancing' parts of contests (which seems to boost your 'score' the most) need those to be good.
I wish they never 'improved' the contests, in the gba games, I COULD ACTUALLY BEAT THEM, now it's just ridiculous, I fail at even the easiest level contests (lol).
It's a good job that you don't NEED to complete every rank in every category, or I'd never be able to beat the story >_>
There could actually be codes for contests. As for Pokedex, I hate using codes to complete it. This way, I can tell whether I have really captured a Pokemon or not. I can also continue to play the game, as I have something to work towards after killing everyone. As for ribbons, there is a code generator that I used to make a coordinates code, Pokesav. You can do many things with it, including creating a Pokemon with ribbons. There might be a code for Platinum floating around, and I think it guarantees that you win contests... I would have to find it again though. Come to think about it, I might start using codes for Platinum. I need to reset my Action Replay after a glitch with Kingdom Hearts, but I could probably come up with a nice little list of codes for Platinum. In fact, I think there was even a Weather modifier code somewhere...
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Role on 19, August, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
Let me put it like this - in SRPGs, I only use the main characters if I'm FORCED to. I stick to generics because I just like them more. Sure, the non-generics have better growth rates and unique skills, but I prefer the generics. Pokemon is the same way - if I can't find multiples or breed it, then it's box fodder and nothing more.
In SRPGs, I use main characters more than anything. I mean, they have a large and unique skill set allowing you to use them how you want, while generics have the basic attack, then maybe 1 or 2 special skills, and that's it.
So basically, generics suck. Even if their stats are comparable to those of the main characters, they still suck. I mean, given a Golden Sun-style example, who wants a character that learns only the Flare and Fume series when they can have a character that learns Flare, Fume, Starburst, Aura, and Impair?
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 21, August, 2010, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Role on 19, August, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
Let me put it like this - in SRPGs, I only use the main characters if I'm FORCED to. I stick to generics because I just like them more. Sure, the non-generics have better growth rates and unique skills, but I prefer the generics. Pokemon is the same way - if I can't find multiples or breed it, then it's box fodder and nothing more.
In SRPGs, I use main characters more than anything. I mean, they have a large and unique skill set allowing you to use them how you want, while generics have the basic attack, then maybe 1 or 2 special skills, and that's it.
So basically, generics suck. Even if their stats are comparable to those of the main characters, they still suck. I mean, given a Golden Sun-style example, who wants a character that learns only the Flare and Fume series when they can have a character that learns Flare, Fume, Starburst, Aura, and Impair?
But why use a character with a set personality, when I can make a generic to which I assign a personality I desire them to have?
Sure, I can use Raspberyl as my mage unit, but I'd much rather go around with my generic mage. Why? Well, once I get her all the way up to Galaxy Mage, and change her color scheme to the Prism Mage's, she becomes my ubermage of doom. And her name?
Patchouli. She wields the game's most powerful wand, renamed Philosopher's Stone
That's right, I wage war in Disgaea with TOUHOU CHARACTERS. Reimu is a female samurai (because I SWEAR TO GOD THEY LOOK JUST LIKE HER), my thief is named Marisa and has another one of those wands - called Mini-Hakkero. I taught her the Star spells, too. Master Spark wielding thief, anyone? Heck, I even got a Succubus and named her Koakoma.
Why wage war with the in-game characters, when I can wage war with an army of MY choosing?
I've always been like that. Legendaries have a set way they go about things. They are the non-generics of pokemon. Ho hum. I'd prefer being more of a LEGIT trainer - one of the hundreds you see throughout the world with - get this - ZERO LEGENDARIES. I fight and train with my pokemon, whom I've raised since I first caught them so long ago. We shed blood and tears together, got our eight badges together, beat the elites together. And you expect me to just trade them in for mister legendary?
Pffft. Hell no. And now, since they SHOW BACK UP after I defeat them, I don't have to catch them either! Well, unless it FORCES me to, stupid Soul Silver...
Legendaries are just... there. There's no attachment to them. I didn't train them up to level 50/70, they're just at that level already. I didn't clear the game with them, fight through hordes of aggro trainers and crazed electric rodents with them, nor did I earn the respect of the pokemon world with them. They're the trophy monsters, the Irises of the game. You got them. Great. But by the time you had them, you no longer needed anything that strong. Sure, it may not be quite the same as my Disgaea analogy, but that's how it is.
Just as I CREATE my team of generics, the ones I hand picked and trained up myself, gave them personalities all their own and un-genericified them, with Pokemon I'm much the same way. The Trophy status of these so-called legendaries is just the nail in the coffin for them.
So if you really think that generics suck, I'd like to remind you - most of, if not ALL of my characters, come from a generic build.
Have you met Fleta yet?
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/RPstuff/Fleta-6.png)
She's a GENERIC FFTA THIEF. I even play her as one. This is just how I do things - in D3 my characters were Touhou. In D2 and D1 they were my OCs. D4 will likely return to the OC focus.
Admittedly, in many games it's possible to un-generic your generics, at which point they can be better than your story characters. 'Course, in those sorts of games, your story characters are pretty much stuck with one pitiful skill set that is generally useless, while your generics go around Last Breath-spamming things WITH A BOW (FFTA). Or using that other devastating move. Omega-something or whatever it's called. 200 damage from range, anyone?
Or, of course, you could have your nice army of Moogle Gunners spamming Mog Attack (Mogknight skill) (I THINK that's what the move is called, anyway) so the enemy can't even get close. YAY. Meanwhile, your suckish Marche goes around with not enough MP to do anything useful (I'm not joking on this one. His MP is C***!) and his pitiful Fighter class (which, by the way, doesn't learn A SINGLE USEFUL SKILL).
But in games like ToS2, your monsters/generics get, maybe, 4 or 5 skills, usually all with lame damage and hopelessly overpriced, while your main characters go around spamming powerful spells and various sorts of over-the-top weapon skills. (Except that in ToS2, even your story characters feel generic because most of them learn boring techs that YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF IN ANY OTHER TALES GAME. And they don't follow the tech tree like ToS1 characters did.)
But back to the topic, I honestly don't like using legendaries either, because THEY TAKE SO BLOODY LONG TO LEARN ANY DECENT MOVES (aside from their unique "special attacks").
Also, Skitty is awesome.
SKITTY used Assist!
SKITTY used Roar of Time! *BOOM*
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 23, August, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
Also, Skitty is awesome.
SKITTY used Assist!
SKITTY used Roar of Time! *BOOM*
LOLWUT. Did that seriously happen XD
I don't really mind generics - without them, nothing else is really special, I 'spose. D:
Why use Mog Attack when you can use ULTIMA CHARGE? 300% damage from 8 Panels away? HELL YES!
In the first TA, Concentrating Assassins are the most deadly thing in existence.
That's why I change Marche's class, dood. I get some decent growth rates with the Hunter Class, even the MP for their Ultima Skill.
Yeah, legendaries are known for their "one move every ten levels" thing, as well as the inability to breed to get idea stats and personality.
Aye, now if only my Skitty in Sapphire wasn't a male... 1/8 chance, iirc, and it's a very rare chance of being found. I didn't want to hunt down another one. =_=
@Charon: No, but I did get Assist to turn into Shadow Force. On multiple occasions. But basically, just pack your team full of Legendaries with special skills and a Skitty with Assist and STUFF HAPPENS. Stuff like: SKITTY used Assist! SKITTY used Judgment!
SKITTY used Assist! SKITTY used Spacial Rend!
SKITTY used Assist! SKITTY used Roar of Time!
SKITTY used Assist! SKITTY used Aura Sphere!
SKITTY used Assist! SKITTY used Lava Plume!
Jamie, Lucario isn't legendary.
He's darn close. Besides, Mewtwo, Giratina, Dialga, Palkia, and I think Arceus all learn Aura Sphere as well. So Aura Sphere is way up there with all those uber Legendary special attacks. Especially since only 2 non-legendaries learn the move.
Oh? Huh... I'd thought it was a signature move. Guess I was wrong.
It is pretty much Lucario's signature move, as he's the only Pokemon to get a Same Type Attack Bonus with it, which makes it absolutely lethal when coupled with Lucario's rather high Special Attack. Basically, most people with a Lucario give him that move, because he learns it naturally and it does a ton of damage.
Aura Sphere is exclusive to Lucario if you exclude legendaries. It's obnoxious tbh because it's the only always-hit move that has an actually useful amount of damage. At least since its Fighting type it's no good against ghosts, which otherwise it would be really easy to call that move broken.
I really don't like using Lucario. *hugs her Honchkrow Eric*
No, it's not exclusive to Lucario if you exclude Legendaries. Togekiss gets the move as well.
And Lucario learns Foresight, so if you don't mind wasting a turn for targeting, you can hit Ghosts with Aura Sphere as well.
(dammit your right >_>)
Lol why would you waste a turn like that? People can easily knock you out like that. Foresight/Odor Sleuth/Miracle Eye just aren't worth it imho.
I find it really funny how my team does not include either of them, even though there was a time when I wanted Togekiss in my team.
Also, if there is ever a time when I can trade over wi-fi, does anybody want to have my shiny Charizard? It knows Hydro Cannon.
Have a nice day.
@Charon: Except that almost all ghosts suck horribly against Lucario, due to his Steel/Fighting type. Ghost does 1/2 damage because of Steel, Dark does 1/4 damage because of Steel/Fighting, Poison does absolutely nothing because of Steel. The only thing that most Ghosts have that is worth fearing is Curse. OK, and brokenly high special attack stats with STABed Shadow Ball, even though it's "not very effective" it's still probably going to take half your health out, if not be a OHKO.
@Sala: It'd be instant banned from the trading session for being such blatant cheating.
Yeah, but I figured that I might as well ask anyway. I transferred it from Emerald, back when one could steal from the Battle Factory.
Oh, Shadow Ball is nice. I almost always let my Espeon learn it.
Have a nice day.
I've had a WHOLE TEAM OF SHEDINJA.
WONDER GUARD FTW!!!!
Jamie, you know that pokemon can learn moves not of their own type, right? Like... gengar almost always carries tbolt. Although since luke can carry crunch (or shadow ball on special variants), it can be risky to keep gar in on a luke if the gar can't kill it that turn. And physical luke doesn't like getting burned, where a lot of ghosts will have will-o-wisp.
And yeah, the "you can hit ghosts" moves suck. Horribly. It wastes a turn that you could've been attacking, so over the two turns you spent using the move and attacking with a fighting or normal move, you could have done more damage by just using something else. Plus, all they have to do to negate the effect is switch. Congrats at completely wasting your turn while letting your opponent take a free shot at you.
Quote from: MegaDarkNero on 25, August, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
I've had a WHOLE TEAM OF SHEDINJA.
WONDER GUARD FTW!!!!
Nero sent out Shedinja!
Leaf sent out Tyranitar!
A sandstorm started brewing!
A sandstorm is brewing!
Nero's Shedinja is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Nero's Shedinja took 1 damage!
Nero's Shedinja fainted!
What he said (^).
And as for Wonder Guard, it is a cool ability. However, it would be better if Shedinja could have a little bit more than 1 HP, since this means that a level 1 Pokemon can easily kill it in one hit. For example, Charmander with Flamethrower tm. Perhaps a range of 20-30 HP would have been nice, no higher than 40 HP. Still easy to kill in one or two hits, yet it will not die from the weather.
In my opinion, the worst ability is Slow Start, followed by the one that Slakoth and Slaking have. Pressure stinks as well, since I can normally kill my opponent (or die) before they run out of their 20-30 PP. On top of that, very few Pokemon have movesets where each move has 5 PP or less. There is almost always an ability with 10-20 PP, and quite often one with 25-30.
Personally, I like Water Absorb (with a large fraction of Pokemon being water type, and another large fraction of the moves are water based). I could have a Vaporeon and a Lapras use Surf constantly, and I keep healing as I do damage. Volt Absorb and Flash Fire are nice as well, since one heals with electricity and the other powers up with fire.
Have a nice day.
It's fine that a low level poke can kill sheddy in one hit. And the problem with giving it an actual HP growth (instead of using an override to set it to 1 HP) is that even if you made its base HP 0, it would still have a minimum of 110 HP at lv100, and 11 HP at lv1. If IVs and EVs had an effect on this as well, the maximum possible HP at lv100 would be 204. This is simply due to the way the formulas in the game work. I mean, they could have made a whole new growth formula just for shedinja, but I think it's more interesting this way, anyway.
Slow start is indeed the worst ability in the game, and truant is pretty bad, but at least it doesn't make slaking unplayable. Slaking is still really good for hit and run with a choice band.
Pressure isn't bad. It isn't great, but its draining effect can definitely be felt if you're playing against a good defensive pokemon. Moves with only 5 (8) PP get drained fast, and you can easily run out. Sure, the pokemon has other moves, but having all of your main offense drained hurts. A machamp using cross chop or a heatran using fire blast will not be happy running into pressure pokemon multiple times. It greatly reduces their threat to you, and it is indeed a legit strategy to PP stall someone.
Any ability that negates the damage from a certain type of attack is great. Levitate doesn't grant any extra bonuses, but it allows you to avoid EQ, one of the most common attacks in the game, which makes it amazing. Intimidate is probably one of the best abilities in the game, as well, softening physical blows on the switch in.
Levitate is wonderful too. I also don't mind Breloom's possible ability, although I forget what it is right now. It can heal from Poison in battle (but still takes damage out of battle). Intimidate is nice, although I personally prefer Synchronize (another reason why I kept my Espeon, which has much better Speed than everyone else on my team to add on to that).
For Shedinja, that is true.
Pressure... That is also true, but I can think of several other abilities that I could use. I mean, why hav Pressure when I could have Mold Breaker (another easy way to kill Shedinja, although there are even better abilities than this).
Have a nice day.
Yeah, wonder guard would be great if it didn't suck. Your opponent would be exploiting weaknesses anyways, having 3-4 types of attacks (only one or two being STAB, the rest for versatility and counters) - wonder guard just really wouldn't do you much good, since it's REALLY easy in pokemon to have most of, if not all of, your bases covered. ESPECIALLY since TMs are no longer single-use only in Black and White.
I love some of the absorb abilities. To absorb 'elemental' forces would be a great idea, such as water, electric, fire, and possibly even ice. Even better, though, is the 'empowered' versions of them, where you don't absorb it, you get boosted by it. Imagine, in the 3x3 battles in the next game, a team of three either water absorbing or water empowering mons. Spam Surf for great justice. Of course, in metagame you'd need a different tactic, something more complex.
Wonder guard on anything except shedinja would be downright broken, though. Neutral attacks get used
so much.
Quote from: salaLevitate is wonderful too. I also don't mind Breloom's possible ability, although I forget what it is right now. It can heal from Poison in battle (but still takes damage out of battle).
It's called... poison heal. >_>
And you say you
don't mind it? Seriously? That's all you can say about it?
Breloom@toxic orb
trait: poison heal
- substitute
- leech seed
- focus punch
- spore
This pokemon is a pain to deal with. Heals 12.5% of its HP every turn thanks to poison heal (twice that of leftovers), while seed makes up for most of the rest of the lost HP from making subs. Gets to sleep something for free, giving it even more freedom with setting up, and can dish out huge amounts of damage with focus punch every turn from behind a substitute.
Like most abilities, you need to think about how good it is on the pokemon it comes with. If this ability was given to a glass cannon instead, it wouldn't be anywhere near as useful.
QuoteIntimidate is nice, although I personally prefer Synchronize (another reason why I kept my Espeon, which has much better Speed than everyone else on my team to add on to that).
They aren't comparable. At all. Intimidate softens the blow from physical attacks when you switch in, making it easier to deal with physical threats (and cutting out a third of your opponent's Atk every time you switch in is no joke, even if they can get rid of the stat drop by switching).
Meanwhile, synchronize retaliates against status. But for something that retaliates against status, when compared to guts, synchronize is pretty pathetic. Sure, it gives the team something that can take status, hurting your opponent for it, but in the end you still have a status'd pokemon and all you've managed to do is hit one of your opponent's pokemon for that same status... except sleep and freeze, which don't even work with synchronize. Add on the fact that the pokemon that get it generally don't want to be status'd (espeon hates being para'd, and umbreon can't afford to take any of the statuses), and you have yourself a pretty subpar ability. Then, take guts. It boosts your attack by 1.5x when you get hit by status, which means you'll be dishing out a huge amount of damage before the status really catches up to you. It ignores the attack drop from burns, meaning that unlike most physical pokes, a burn is a guts poke's best friend.
QuotePressure... That is also true, but I can think of several other abilities that I could use. I mean, why hav Pressure when I could have Mold Breaker (another easy way to kill Shedinja, although there are even better abilities than this).
Why have pressure? Oh... I dunno... game balance? It being the only available ability for the pokemon that get it? The pokemon that get it generally having other things that make them very good regardless? It's only really abusable by a few pokemon (suicune, spiritomb, zapdos and a couple others are about it in OU). For the others, it's a nice little bonus for them, without being blatantly overpowered.
Or maybe gamefreak just didn't feel like being creative with the older legendaries and gave them all a generic semi-useful ability. Yeah. I think I'm gonna go with that one.
But really, you would have pressure instead of mold breaker because
you can't have mold breaker, or any other ability, for that matter. Go use a rampardos if you want mold breaker.
Actually, I was planning on buying the Toxic Orb, and raising a Breloom. The only problem is that the Breloom that I kidnapped from Maylene does not have Poison Heal.
QuoteThey aren't comparable. At all. Intimidate softens the blow from physical attacks when you switch in, making it easier to deal with physical threats (and cutting out a third of your opponent's Atk every time you switch in is no joke, even if they can get rid of the stat drop by switching).
I know. I am just saying that I switched out my Staraptor for my Espeon. Besides, my Espeon can actually handle Paralyze quite well. I brought it over from Gale of Darkness, so its stats are pretty good compared to most of my other Espeons (I don't know why, but it probably had something to do with never leaving it in the PC, unlike what I almost always end up doing with the handheld systems because I only feel like raising a new Pokemon at the last second).
And for Mold Breaker, I know that. I am just saying that I would rather have several other abilities than Pressure (although Pressure would be nice when fighting actual people, but I have probably done that in a very tiny fraction of my game-playing career, like 0.1%).
Have a nice day.
Quote from: leafgreen386 on 25, August, 2010, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: MegaDarkNero on 25, August, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
I've had a WHOLE TEAM OF SHEDINJA.
WONDER GUARD FTW!!!!
Nero sent out Shedinja!
Leaf sent out Tyranitar!
A sandstorm started brewing!
A sandstorm is brewing!
Nero's Shedinja is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Nero's Shedinja took 1 damage!
Nero's Shedinja fainted!
This. Thank you so much for saying this for me, Leafy :3
Quote from: Salanewt on 26, August, 2010, 10:30:07 AM
QuoteThey aren't comparable. At all. Intimidate softens the blow from physical attacks when you switch in, making it easier to deal with physical threats (and cutting out a third of your opponent's Atk every time you switch in is no joke, even if they can get rid of the stat drop by switching).
I know. I am just saying that I switched out my Staraptor for my Espeon. Besides, my Espeon can actually handle Paralyze quite well. I brought it over from Gale of Darkness, so its stats are pretty good compared to most of my other Espeons (I don't know why, but it probably had something to do with never leaving it in the PC, unlike what I almost always end up doing with the handheld systems because I only feel like raising a new Pokemon at the last second).
The problem with that though is some Pokemon could just transfer a status effect to you, then ricochet it back on themselves, so they can get the bonus. And leaving it in your PC made Espeon better just because, you know, GoD SUCKED for EV training (while in the handheld games it's much easier to control what Pokemon you're going to face)
Quote
And for Mold Breaker, I know that. I am just saying that I would rather have several other abilities than Pressure (although Pressure would be nice when fighting actual people, but I have probably done that in a very tiny fraction of my game-playing career, like 0.1%).
Yeah, but Pressure is such a meh ability. It's just annoying when catching the damn thing but in battle it's practically useless just because the opponent probably won't suffer enough from the PP drainage.
Quote from: Salanewt on 26, August, 2010, 10:30:07 AMBesides, my Espeon can actually handle Paralyze quite well.
Paralysis quarters speed.
Oh yeah... I still have 277 Speed though, so I have approximately 69-70 Speed with Paralyze, which makes me faster than most other Pokemon up to level 30-40. Not so good when fighting stronger enemies, but it has nice stats compared to several of my past Pokemon, and only one physical attack. Besides, if my Espeon is paralyzed, its Synchronize will paralyze the enemy as well. This is only useful for the Pokemon that actually affects Espeon, but I can slow it down as well (and with my Speed, I am likely to be faster than it). Alternatively, I could use an item.
[spoiler=Espeon]
HP: 274
Attack: 180
Defence: 173
Sp. Attack: 268
Sp. Defence: 224
Speed: 277
Bite: 25 PP
Shadow Ball: 15 PP
Psybeam: 20 PP
Psychic: 16 PP[/spoiler]
It could have better stats I suppose, but this works quite well for me. Best Speed on my current team, and my Vaporeon has the best HP (at 373, but only 138 Speed, which is my worst Speed).
QuoteThe problem with that though is some Pokemon could just transfer a status effect to you, then ricochet it back on themselves, so they can get the bonus. And leaving it in your PC made Espeon better just because, you know, GoD SUCKED for EV training (while in the handheld games it's much easier to control what Pokemon you're going to face)
Oh yeah, I never thought about any of that. I normally avoid worrying about EV training though. My Espeon also normally kills the opponent before they feel any benefits, if they do. However, I can see some Pokemon gaining benefits (like Breloom).
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Salanewt on 26, August, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
Oh yeah... I still have 277 Speed though, so I have approximately 69-70 Speed with Paralyze, which makes me faster than most other Pokemon up to level 30-40.
...which is useless in competitive play. Which is how 99% of people play Pokemon lol.
Quote
Not so good when fighting stronger enemies, but it has nice stats compared to several of my past Pokemon, and only one physical attack. Besides, if my Espeon is paralyzed, its Synchronize will paralyze the enemy as well. This is only useful for the Pokemon that actually affects Espeon, but I can slow it down as well (and with my Speed, I am likely to be faster than it). Alternatively, I could use an item.
Oh my god Espeon SUCKS with crap speed. Its defenses are relatively crappy (especially normal defense) and it relies on that base 110 speed to really be useful.
Quote
[spoiler=Espeon]
HP: 274
Attack: 180
Defence: 173
Sp. Attack: 268
Sp. Defence: 224
Speed: 277
Bite: 25 PP
Shadow Ball: 15 PP
Psybeam: 20 PP
Psychic: 16 PP[/spoiler]
Bite? Psybeam?! Wat
Quote
It could have better stats I suppose, but this works quite well for me. Best Speed on my current team, and my Vaporeon has the best HP (at 373, but only 138 Speed, which is my worst Speed).
Yeah, a lot better. You should really give EV training a go. Really allows you to customize your poke's as well as make them kick general @#$.
QuoteQuoteThe problem with that though is some Pokemon could just transfer a status effect to you, then ricochet it back on themselves, so they can get the bonus. And leaving it in your PC made Espeon better just because, you know, GoD SUCKED for EV training (while in the handheld games it's much easier to control what Pokemon you're going to face)
Oh yeah, I never thought about any of that. I normally avoid worrying about EV training though. My Espeon also normally kills the opponent before they feel any benefits, if they do. However, I can see some Pokemon gaining benefits (like Breloom).
Have a nice day.
Yeah, Synchronize is totally meh in my opinion. My favourite abilities are those like Poison Heal, or those that can help you avoid status effects (especially insomnia - my Honchkrow is one of the few counter-strategies to the Breloom previously mentioned)
I don't have my DS on me right now so I can't report its stats, but it's current moveset is:
Sucker Punch
Superpower
Drill Peck
Night Slash
Night Slash is kinda filler tbh but oh well :/
But I mean, hey, play the way you want. I'm a competitive player, you're casual. Whatever floats your boat.
For your last statement... True enough. However, I think I should say who I wanted in my team at one point.
Breloom (Poison Heal)
Togekiss
Noctowl (can learn Confusion, which helps against Fighting types)
Arcanine (which I have)
Lapras (or a Vaporeon with better Speed, so I can have Water Absorb)
Ampharos
Also, what is wrong with my Espeon's moves? I am still planning on replacing Psybeam, but...
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Lucario moveset I want:
Aura Sphere
Copycat
Psychic
Flash Cannon
My current Lucario:
Aura Sphere
Copycat
Psychic
Dark Pulse
Yeah, Copycat is just there for fun/variety. It'd work well on Dragon types (the ones that actually have dragon type moves), or in double battles where my second Pokemon is faster than Lucario, but that's about it.
Basically, the idea is: two STAB moves, one move just for returning whatever I take (because it's FUN), and one to take care of his weakness.
@Sala: What's wrong is that Bite is epic fail, and you should give Espeon Dark Pulse instead. Also, what's wrong is that you should give Espeon something better than Psybeam because it fails.
Also, Lapras seems to have better HP than Vaporeon. Though, its ability is kinda fail. (It just makes it so the enemy cannot crit, although that is pretty good for the non-competitive stuff, since it takes a lot of the luck aspect out of battles.)
Quote@Sala: What's wrong is that Bite is epic fail, and you should give Espeon Dark Pulse instead. Also, what's wrong is that you should give Espeon something better than Psybeam because it fails.
Great, thanks! How can I teach my Espeon Dark Pulse again? I just got rid of Psybeam for Morning Sun, so I should be good to go for him now.
Lapras, that is true. Water Absorb is bad? I would go for a Lapras with Water Absorb.
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I didn't say that Water Absorb is bad, I said that Lapras' ability (Battle Armour or Battle Shell or something like that) is bad.
And, on second thought, I'm not even sure Espeon CAN learn Dark Pulse, so maybe Bite is the next best thing. The main problem with Bite is that Espeon is a special attacker, and Bite is a physical attack.
Yeah, I know. The only reason why I have Bite is to help when fighting Dark or other Psychic type Pokemon (as that previously meant that half of my attacks would not hit, and Ghost is not very effective against Dark). I did replace Psybeam with Morning Sun though, so I have a healing ability now.
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Confusion is a horrible move and vaporeon naturally has low speed.
Espeon has trash physical attack, making bite very bad on it (and it wasn't even that good in gen 3 to begin with simply due to the move's low base power). Psybeam is fine for ingame purposes, I guess. Shadow ball was kind of a waste of a TM, when other pokemon could've used it much better. Really, the only move you have there that a competitive espeon would also carry is psychic. In general, for playing against the computer, it doesn't matter if you have horrible movesets, since you can still usually win, but if you're playing against humans, it requires a whole other level of thought and consideration as to what you're doing.
...I'd have gotten rid of bite for morning sun, tbh. There's nothing you'd want to use bite on when you have shadow ball, and psybeam gives lots of extra PP for blasting ingame pokes. You wouldn't use either in competitive matches, though.
True enough, but Noctowl is Normal + Flying... Oh yeah, Confusion is needless for Fighting types.
I probably should replace Bite with something else, like Future Sight.
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Oh yeah, I wanted Blissey instead of Ampharos. I forget why I said Ampharos now.
Future sight is pretty bad, too.
And then I have Last Resort, Psych Up, or Power Swap. Otherwise, I have to find a Move Tutor that teaches moves not learned by leveling up. Otherwise, I just replace Bite with Psybeam (Heart Scales are much easier to come by thanks to the Underground).
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Noctowl is awesome. I mean, it learns Air Slash AND Sky Attack, both of which are some pretty nice attack moves.
Also, most of the move tutors teach suckish moves. Those that aren't suckish can only be used by a very small number of Pokemon. (coughcoughHEATWAVEcoughcough)
I'm currently working on an EV-trained team, really. Got an Espeon Special Sweeper and working on some other ones...Pokemon is still pretty awesome, though I doubt that I'll get Black or White Version...I'm still attached to 2nd and 3rd gen.
I won't be getting White or Black - I'm waiting for the expansion pack. That way I'll actually finish the game, rather than stop halfway due to playing it before.
I am waiting as well, but I managed to get through Platinum and Emerald for extra legendaries. Hopefully the main legendaries from both Black and White are in the third.
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I think I'll leave it at Gen IV unless some substantial change that totally redefines the gameplay of Pokemon, because it's just too boring to keep my interest these days. :/
And have you seen some of the new guys? Ew. One looks like a floating pink Piggybank, but it is really a psychic dream eating pig. We also have what appears to be a giant coffin with shady hands reaching out of it, and a Meerkat pokemon. Oh, and another monkey.
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Salanewt, have you seen this one?
Very original...
...Pokemon designs have RARELY been original. Have you seen Magnemite lately?
They all are based on something in real life.
OK, that last one is either hilariously creepy or really frickin' cute. Or maybe both.
They mostly are, but some of the newer ones are harder to tell (for example, I can very obviously tell what Articuno, Stantler, or Wingull are based on, but it is hard to tell exactly what Manaphy is).
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Pokemon designs used to be awesome in Gen II, they got progressively weaker since then. But I still love me Swellow and me Honchkrow and me Smugleaf XD
Still, this recent batch is so... meh. >_>;
Ah yes, Gen II was my favourite. So many good looking pokemo designs. Gen III also has some good looking ones, gen IV had very few nice ones. Gen V seems to not have any decent ones at all for the time being...
Yes, cheers to generation 2! Generations 1 and 3 deserve cheers as well, one for starting and one for continuing some of the better designs! Generation 4... Nice try, but there are some nice designs in it as well. For example, I like Mismagius, but I fail to see why they had to make Togekiss look like that.
Also, http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml . Some of the starter evolutions are fine, but that is what is expected of starters (in other words, not the best for design). How on earth did an Otter become that thing anyway?
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Whoa, now I hate the grass starter because of the evolutions... :Sweat:
God, out of all those the only ones that I like a little are Rankurusu and the mole ones. The rest look so... Random.
You mean Bottles, Banjo's friend? He seems okay, but I think Grunty performed surgery on him or something. I think we also have Bambi (the hunter performed this time), a zebra, a meerkat, those gears, a piggybank, a pigeon (I have enough of those at home), and quite possibly a silkworm. Out of every one of the Pokemon that we have seen so far, I only really like Wooguru (the Yin Yang legendaries are horrible too, quite random).
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The grass evo looks like another version of milotic.
The water evo looks cool but also feels like it's been done before.
The fire evo is just plain bad.
Why does everyone have such a problem with Gen 4?
Anyway, the highest level Fire evo doesn't look too bad, and the highest level Water Evo looks pretty good as well. And honestly, you could label ANY snake Pokemon they invent at this point to be an imitation of one of their other snake Pokemon. But just let me ask a question: where are the fangs? Everyone knows that snake Pokemon need fangs.
Quote from: leafgreen386 on 05, September, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
The grass evo looks like another version of milotic.
The water evo looks cool but also feels like it's been done before.
The fire evo is just plain bad.
Current consensus is that they're fakes...
You have a point, considering that there are no new updates to that page with the exception of those.
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Quote from: Salanewt on 05, September, 2010, 10:52:24 AM
Yes, cheers to generation 2! Generations 1 and 3 deserve cheers as well, one for starting and one for continuing some of the better designs! Generation 4... Nice try, but there are some nice designs in it as well. For example, I like Mismagius, but I fail to see why they had to make Togekiss look like that.
Also, http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml . Some of the starter evolutions are fine, but that is what is expected of starters (in other words, not the best for design). How on earth did an Otter become that thing anyway?
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Actually those evolutions are not confirmed to be true yet if you look at their information for all three starters evolve forms. they found those pictures on a forum.
Oh yes, you have a point. I suppose that they will work for reference until actual evolutions are confirmed anyway.
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Wow, I expected the Pokabu's evo to be the best, it looks horrid D:
I still like mah Smugleaf, and I kinda like the water line. I still think it's more trying to chug out Pokemon though...
WOW those pokemons are new to me ...... the last pokemon game i played was pokemon diamond... and i didn't reach far (third pokemon badge only) ....... because my save got deleted by mistake and i didn't really want to replay the game .......
Well of course they're new, or did you miss the part where they're the new Pokemon for Black and White, which haven't been released yet?
yah i noticed this part .............. i kinda like the grass/snake one lol
Yeah... to emphasize: Grass "3rd evo" looks to be semi-traced from Milotic, Fire "3rd evo" seems to be semi-traced from Rhyperior, and the Water "3rd evo" seems to be traced from Dialga.
This doesn't happen in pokemon. Ever. There's nothing in there that you can trace, make a few tweaks, and call it a mon, not even the eeveelutions. Add on that the Water 3rd evo comes out of left field, and it pretty much sets it in stone: They're fakemons.
Yeah, the unoriginality is really causing me to turn my back to my most loyal series. I doubt I'll be getting the games unless I have a serious surplus of money for games.
I stopped playing this game a long time ago ..... a year or so ... but i still like the N64 pokemon stadium.
I've been a deep fan since the RBY days. I obsessed over it, and even today I still think of new strategies for my Honchkrow Eric. But this new batch is so disappointing. It really depresses me.
Hehehe well i'm not a fan of the pokemon series games (only games ><)
but i do like any RPG game .... since that's the only kind of game i play so i guess that kinda make it a special game.
The only pokemon game that i still sometimes think of replaying was the firered/leafgreen game ...
I was mostly disappointed with generation 4. Some of the bird pokemon were nice, but we have so many of them already. Honchkrow is cool, and I love Mismagius (who has not entered my party for some reason), but Dusclops... Really? Togekiss... Wait, Togetic is obese? I also dislike the fact that Gligar and Yanma both look like they become evil when they evolve. Something does not have to become less attractive just because it evolves. There is also barely anything that makes either Dialga or Phalluskia stand out over the other (like with Groudon and Kyogre, one could tell that they were both very different, but those two look so similar (Arceus is not much of a fix for that either)).
Firered and Leafgreen are nice remakes. The only problem is that you can not evolve Eevee into Espeon or Umbreon, due to the lack of what the rest of the generation 3 games have (the ones that can trade between each other).
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Edit: You have to find out on your own why I highlighted the extra letters of Palkia black, but what you should find is true. Here is a hint: Look at its shoulders, and then its neck, and then look at what you should be able to find in my message...
Hehe i will try to look for that.
And about Eevee i always have it evolve to Flareon (Fire is my favorite element)
And since im talking about fire pokemons I love Ponyta and Rapidash.
Oh yeah, Rapidash is awesome, especially when shiny (it looks like its mane is made of smoke). In fact, many of the good looking shiny pokemon are the fire type (like Charizard, Rapidash, Arcanine, Ninetails, Flareon, Ho-oh, and Torkoal).
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I tried to make a full fire pokemon team once but i got beaten by a single water pokemon and i don't even remember who it was ... but that pokemon was able to beat all of my 6 fire pokemons with 1-3 hits ... i don't like water pokemon that much ... maybe except for Marill and its evolutions.
I found something that's very true:
Quote from: TV TropesFan Dumb : Expect lots of this. Generally you can split the Fan Dumb into a few major groups: "New Pokémon Suck"-ists, who hate everything about Pokémon after (insert time period here) and think everything before it as the Poké-Messiah; Anime Obsessionists, who are only interested in the anime and insult people who say it's contrived, badly written or that (insert character) is a Mary Sue; and general idiots, who say that everyone else's opinions (and everything else) suck and that their Pokemanz are teh bests. Oh, and anti-competitive players, who accuse competitive players of being Stop Having Fun Guys and "forcing" them to use certain Pokémon over others. "We don't have elite squads of ninjas capturing you and forcing to use Scizor" is a common retort by serious players when the groups collide inadvertently.
Notice that first part. Yeah.
I do like some of the new guys, but I have to agree that the majority of them are disappointing compared to older designed. I mean, I like Boddles and Bambi, but I do not like Phalluskia or the piggybank that we are getting. The two primary legendaries fail to have something that makes them stand out over the other, making them look almost the same. With Groudon and Kyogre, it was obvious that they were different (I think Ho-oh and Lugia did have a similar problem though).
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I'll agree with you on the legendaries, but you already know my reasoning as to why. I just don't like legendaries, it's a me thing. And every gen has its share of ugly looking pokemon, even Gen I and Gen II. EVERY pokemon is hit or miss, you just ignore the misses from Gen I and Gen II and ignore the hits from Gen III and up. Well, that's what it is for the most part, at least. It's really annoying, too. Those of us who don't just say "all the new pokemon suck, and Gen II was the best" get really pissed at those who do say it.
If you don't like the new pokemon, get the hell out of the fandom.
Sala, you can't say that the 'majority' of them are bad, when we only have a taste of what there is! There are NONE OF THE OLD POKEMON from the previous gens until post game, meaning you can almost count on AT LEAST 150 NEW ONES, meaning we've barely scratched the surface. Save the whining for when we have a bigger picture. Those mons may appeal more to the japanese, while others appeal more to us western types. Just be patient and wait to see the full cast.
All right, I suppose that I can do that, but I was talking about fourth generation when I said "majority." Really, I mean, we have a tapeworm as a legendary. They did have their fair share of good ones, but most of the good ones are easily overshadowed by the numerous bad ones. As for the best generation, I always found 3 to be my favourite (most unique while not straying too far from the original art style). And for them being made for the Japanese, I suppose that this is true. However, I mainly criticize most of the new ones because they do not seem to fit the same style as the older generations, not because of the way they look. Some have too little detail, and some have too much (to the point where it looks like plagiarism).
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I think that's on purpose. This supposedly is taking place not in japan, but in new york. The stylistic differences could reflect the differences in evolution.
REAL evolution, that is, not Poke-lution. Still, as long as they keep the same art style, it should be fine. But I'm all for the "different continent, different aesthetics" approach.
@Sala: What the h*** do you mean, Dialga and Palkia look too similar? Similar aesthetic designs, sure (the weird patterns all over them), but one is pink and white, the other is BLUE AND SILVER. What's worse, one of them stands on two legs, the other stands on all fours! GEEZ!
And if Giratina is a tapeworm, it's the most badass tapeworm I have ever seen.
XD
I think he was talking about the Gen 5 legends. They do look like Palkia clones, when you look at them. Same basic build.
Saying it without saying it, exactly. Basically, they remind me of Dialga and Palkia in a way. The original Dialga and Palkia had enough detail (getting dangerously close to having too much, but they still look good while also being able to tell them apart), but these two look too similar. I guarantee that if one were to be painted the same shade as the other (like having the black one become white as well), there would be almost nothing to tell them apart. Of course, I normally try to wait until I see some form of a sprite before I criticize, but I prefer it when a Pokemon looks different than another.
Think of it this way. They both have heads, they both have bodies, they both have wings attached to their arms in some way, they both have tails, and they both have similar legs and feet. They both have Palkia's body shape... You get the picture. Of course, the white one also has a tuft of hair sticking out in a way that does not look PG13 (but then again, looking at Palkia for too long makes you look at how "suggestive" his neck/head and shoulders look). One also looks metallic while the other is furry, but that is still barely a difference.
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Quote from: Salanewt on 09, September, 2010, 03:31:39 PM
Saying it without saying it, exactly. Basically, they remind me of Dialga and Palkia in a way. The original Dialga and Palkia had enough detail (getting dangerously close to having too much, but they still look good while also being able to tell them apart), but these two look too similar. I guarantee that if one were to be painted the same shade as the other (like having the black one become white as well), there would be almost nothing to tell them apart. Of course, I normally try to wait until I see some form of a sprite before I criticize, but I prefer it when a Pokemon looks different than another.
Think of it this way. They both have heads, they both have bodies, they both have wings attached to their arms in some way, they both have tails, and they both have similar legs and feet. They both have Palkia's body shape... You get the picture. Of course, the white one also has a tuft of hair sticking out in a way that does not look PG13 (but then again, looking at Palkia for too long makes you look at how "suggestive" his neck/head and shoulders look). One also looks metallic while the other is furry, but that is still barely a difference.
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Really my brother told me that some people in serebii said Reshiram(the white one) looked like a metal gear, and it actually does. :VenusDjinni:
I can say this about the new Pokemon, however - I'm rather impressed with the birds this time around. With even just that I might pick up a copy of White if I have the money.
Agreed. We have a pigeon that actually LOOKS like a Pigeon. Five bucks says the cities are crowded with them, and that you do NOT want to be a statue.
The eagle one looks pretty awesome, too.
Question is - can the compete with the epic win that was Staraptor? We've never had a bird that competent - the others were early-game mons at best, but Staraptor was actually good past post game - IIRC, the only non-legend bird you ever THINK of using in metagame. Can they even come close to rivaling it?
While I doubt the pigeon will be, the dyna blade clone might just be awesome enough to have a chance =p
Staraptor was an emo grey swellow imho
I'm really digging the birds though. I'm a total bird freak (hello, almost remembered an entire bird field guide lol) so I love using them in battle. Swana looks kinda meh though.
Quote from: Charon the Ferryman on 11, September, 2010, 05:46:43 PM
Staraptor was an emo grey swellow imho
So the perfect bird through and through for you, eh Goth Bird Girl?
Oh, come on! Goth totally isn't emo.
Dude, if they made a Crow Raven that would be freaking awesome. The closest thing we got is Honchkrow. Meh, how hard is it to make a white-clown-faced crow? They're called Rooks!
So... y'alls opinion on the Goth-loli answer to Gardevoir? I've got five bucks that there's a chance of male, too. And the fandom shall cringe... again.
WOW i feel lost here .......
Any way i finally got my hands on the Pokemon Gale of Darkness (gamecuble) its kinda nice ... since its a change from the ones i have been playing ...... i will start playing it after finishing fire emblem path or radiance and radiant dawn .... any one have played it(Gale of Darkness) ?
the female Gardevoir looks alright so i hope the male one does so too :Sweat: ..... and they will probably have to work a lot on the evolution (assuming they wont go and copy something else)
It is fun, but the Pokemon that you can get are very limited. On the positive side, there are 12 different Pokemon that you can get an unlimited amount of, three of those are the Johto starters (I think you can get an unlimited amount of them). You are also guaranteed to get Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos, and I think Lugia. You also have Eevee as your starter, and you can evolve it into any of the 5 evolutions (came out before the fourth generation was finished).
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Omg the Goth-Gardevoir would be awesome. Far more awesome than that star-galaxy thing they chugged out for Gen 5. meh.
GoD sucks for EV training but I think it was kind of cool... I guess. :/ I caught the shadow Lugia with a Pokeball though XD
I like catching literally everything in masterballs in colo. IIRC that was fixed in XD, though =(
Awesome? I dunno, goth-loli Gardevoir looks kinda... O.o to me. Too much collagen, I guess.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/PKMN/Luna.png)
I also think it'd look better with ACTUAL drill hair, rather than the imitation stuff.
Oh! That's who you were talking about. The lolita poke! (No, not that lolita.)
Goth Loli Gardevoir. I mean, come on - she literally screams it! Watch, if it's a 50/50 chance for male and female, then it'll even be it LITERALLY.
But yeah, just look at the disc things outside the hair. How does that not scream 'drill hair'? I love that hair style in animation (looks stupid in real life, though. Pitty...).
She almost does look like a trace of Gardevoir...
Also, I did not pay attention to Vaati before. It seems that they are allowing a Zelda cameo as a Pokemon... Wicked (Koromori)! Looks a bit fluffier, and has a smaller eye though. I wonder if it is Vaati's baby or something?
In other news, it turns out that Bambi (who changes with the season) can evolve into its father. Bottles also evolves, looks almost like it joins Grunty's army or something. Nintendo seems to have a thing with monkies, as we now apparently have two clones of the Tree Monkey (one of water and one of fire). We now have a cute and cuddly tarantula, golden colour (it looks nice and cute, also an electric bug). There is now a new species of piranha (talk about being really original, right?) and a bull with an afro.
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml - New updates. Everything still looks a bit disappointing to me though.
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That bull don't take no bull from nobodeh!
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Sorry. I won't do it again, promise.
Like I've said many times - they're hit or miss, all of them.
Also, I actually like the 3v3 battles. Think of it - An IRL battle frontier where you pit 3 on 3. I call Tycoon status!
As long as it is not forced too often, then it could get interesting.
Also, you could do the bull thing again, I found it quite funny.
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Considering how little they did it with 2-2 in both Gen III and IV, I wouldn't be surprised if it were limited to only a few battles outside of any sort of event place like the Battle Tower/Frontier (because you KNOW they'll do just the BT so they can make another game with the Frontier just to make you piss away more money lol)
The 3 monkeys... see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil? Maybe.
The bull and the dragon with the axe on its head are both awesome.
I also like the way there's another pika clone now >_>
gen 1: pikachu/raichu
gen 2: pichu
Then bring in the clones!
gen 3: plusle/minun
gen 4: pachirisu
gen 5: emonga
HEY!
Batsquirrel >>>>> Pikachu.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/acidadept/Batsquirrel.png)
And they are all either rodents or lagomorphs (first with rat/mouse, then rabbits, and then moving on to squirrels). Things could get interesting with all of them.
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We now have our new Gen 5 version of the Electrode Ambush: Yamagetake. I mean, seriously, it's a mushroom with A FRICKIN' POKEBALL HEAD!
Also, am I the only one who thinks Dangoro (the little one-eyed rock thingy) is kinda cute?
I think it looks like a stone fireplace or something. It even has the little "pipe" to release smoke, and the hole is where you place logs. It is fine, but I personally prefer the tarantula thing.
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No, it doesn't have a hole where you place logs, it has a STONE EYE. GEEZ!
I do, however, think that Dangoro is probably going to end up as the new Geodude. However, at least it isn't Ground type, so it's all good. (don't have the usual "useless electric types" gig going on anymore. It also means it's not double-weak to Grass and Water.)
Nothing replaces Geodude for the generic Pokemon that you stumble upon on many roads that exists solely to annoy anyone passerby. Just like Zubat. Nothing replaces Zubat.
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Quote from: leafgreen386 on 16, September, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
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...not that I was saying it was a good thing.
They have appeared in almost every game it seems (and man, I would always find it so annoying when one would come up). "But I just killed you," I would whisper silently, before my partner would kill them once again.
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Edit: Has anyone else taken another look at that page? Some of them actually look worthwhile now (but I still think that most of the new legendaries are jokes). I also have to agree that most of the bird Pokemon do have better designs, and they make up for most of the horror that is generation 5. We have our new Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee combo, a new Tadpole to Frog combo, and a legendary fighting trio. By the way, we have Kremlings now. I guess King K. Rool decided to order his minions into this game... Oh yeah, Vaati's baby evolves (and has a stranger body than its parent did). As for the fireplace, I think it replaces Nosepass.
Edit 2: I forgot another thing. Has anyone ever played Oracle of Ages? Well, we get to have a Tokay now!
Edit 3: Last edit before I wait for a new post, but I just realized something... Axem Red Jr.!!!
... there's an...ice cream pokemon...?
I like most of the new pokemon but... some are just weird...
Assuming the stage 2 starter evolutions shown are real, we're about to end up with our first (I think it's the first, anyway) Water/Fighting combo!
Poliwrath was a Water/Fighting Pokemon.
Also, I think we do get an ice cream. We also get a candle that evolves into a lamp, and then a chandelier.
I dislike most of the new ones, but I love the birds and the electric tarantula. I also like the similarities that some of them share to other creations published by Nintendo. I mean, the one guy looks like a relative of Axem Red, from Super Mario RPG (and it evolves). It has a red head, red hands, and red legs/feet. To replace the axe and spike on his head, he now has a little blade. To top it all off, his torso is grey... Just like the rest of the Axem Rangers. No snout though (but I guess the Pokemon Company wanted to avoid lawsuits with Square Enix or something).
Also, we get a Tokay relative (virtually the same from stomach up for the first form, even the spacing of the eyes on the very similar head), some Kremlings, and a relative to Vaati (eye on a ball with bat-like wings). We already knew about Boddles, but I can see so many other similarities that are not as obvious.
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It's probably a shout out to super sentai, just like the Axem Rangers were.
Edit: THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE AXEM RED! Also:
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml
ALL THE NEW POKES. For those who haven't seen it yet.
EDIT2: LULZ, IT'S TRUE! Japan can turn ANYTHING into a cute girl, even a musical note! (See:#648 - Meloia)
Edit3: my thoughts, in general:
Psychics do suck this gen - I'll stick with my Elegant Gardevoir over the Goth Loli clone, thank-you-very-much.
I like many of them - like the kickass gator. Earthquake spiral... That sounds like a BRUTAL ability... wonder what it does? And WOW, the rock dood is slow. 25 base speed at tier 3? WOW. Its other stats are NICE, though. But that one construction fighter and the flaming monkey... 140 base attack for a NON-LEGEND MON? DAYUM!
@Legends: WHAT THE HELL IS WITH ALL THE SPRITE RECOLORS? Well, okay, sure, they're not technically pre recolors, but they're DAMN close - this is as close as you get without actually just making a recolor. WTF, NINTENDO?
Agreed with what was said earlier: Legends suck, Psychics suck,
Also: [radio edit] YEAH YORKIES! Totally gonna get one in honor of my mom's dog.
Pigeon looks like it's decent! Not quite Starraptor in terms of win, but I definitely think it'll do well in-game.
Doreida > Roserade. Way cuter, I'm totally getting one.
DARK/FIGHTING? What is this, I'm intrigued... Interesting combo, a shame it's a defensive type, though.
Archeopteryx? FREAKING. WIN. Look at that attack stat! It SCREAMS sweeper! The Weak-kneed ability worries me, though...
HA HA HA! A GARBAGE BAG MON? TOTAL MUCK EXPY, and it's HILARIOUS! Kinda meh-ish statwise, though.
Goth Loli Ralts: Is it just me, or is that Torchic and Ralts' bastard baby that's trying to do the whole goth/emo thing out of rebellion? Just sayin'... Apparently it's a pervert, too, with that ability...
Batsquirrel is cute and awesome, but other than its speed it sucks...
Are the Pokeshrooms going to blow up on us?
Pururiru: TENTACOOL EXPY GET! Interesting type combo, though...
Mamanbou: lulz, it's luvdisc, but not made of fail. REALLY healthy, though.
Fortress expy GET!
Until we get more Plus and Minus ability mons, the Gears are still kinda gimmicky to me. I mean, it's not like you'll actually be using Plusle and Minun, so you'd need two opposing gears... They aren't bad, though. Get another mon in there in a later gen, and BAM, that's a powerful combo.
It's official: I'm getting the Chandelier mon. It's puuuurdy. Love the type combo, too. I rarely have those types. Also, the stats? HELL YES. May actually drop Pandora for this dood... NAAAAAAH. I'll just pair it as the Special part of Prometheus' team
Got it: Get Mold Breaker for the Dragon. Rivalry sucks.
A Polar Bear. With an ICE BEARD. THIS GEN IS AWESOME.
Lulz, Agirudaa totally has a "don't [radio edit] with me" expression. XD It's got decent stats to back it up, too...
General attacker DARK/DRAGON type? Ooooh, shiny... er, not really, but you get the jist.
Anywho: FINALLY! Decent dragons without a 4x weakness to [radio edit]ING ICE! TOOK LONG ENOUGH!
There are five that immediately caught my eye, however the rest just seem ridiculous to me. Then again, there's only so many monsters you can make compared to real life objects or animals, but come on...Pokeshrooms? >.<
I'm definitely taking the water starter.
Every single bird in this game wants me to get this game now. Being the ornithologist freak that I am, I cannot resist. The birds call for me!
((the vulture is actually more sweet than Wargle imho. But still, why the lack for a white dove? It's so obvious >_>)
[spoiler=birds]Honestly, if I were able to put in as many birds as I wanted, this would seriously be my list of bird Pokemon:
-Red Winged Blackbird (gender changes – males black with red shoulders, females brown)
-Hairy Woodpecker
-Keel-Billed Toucan
-Eucalyptus Parrots (Males green, females red)
-Kingfisher (SERIOUSLY WHY HAVEN'T THEY HAD A KINGFISHER >_>)
-Count Raggiana Bird of Paradise
-Turkey (another one that is kinda obvious)
-Ring Necked Pheasant
-Grouse
-Booby/Gannet
-Anhinga (Some people say that Fearow is like an Anhinga but that's crap; Fearow is almost completely terrestrial, while the Anhinga relies on water to feed) also cormorant
-Cassowary
-Titmouse/Cardinal
-Robin
-Green Jay
-Tern
-Sandpiper/Plover (another no brainer)
...ect.[/spoiler]
Role: Not exactly like Axem Red, but the basic similarities that I listed are present (the only thing that is missing is the snout in his helmet (oh-the axe as well)). As for the alligator, it does look pretty cool (but I say "Mutant Kremling" and send in DK).
Charon: That is a nice list of birds. I have a few more that I would want to add myself.
[spoiler=birds]
Chickadee (preferably Black Capped)
Flamingo (could be interesting)
Peregine Falcon
Cardinal
Canary
White Breasted Nuthatch
Indigo Bunting (male blue, female crimson instead of brown)
Bluejay
Emu/Ostrich (one or the other, or to have them as a Gorebyss vs. Huntail sort of thing)
Condor
...
[/spoiler]
And for fish, I would have a Betta. It could be water/fighting type. I almost see it like Quilfish though, unlikely to evolve in its own generation.
Have a nice day.
I got Pokemon Black...
Were i got it isnt important but meh, im uploading gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs8g7CCnusM
:)
Cool. Anyway, I will not ask how you got it, but I think the Japanese version of the game was released recently, right? That is all.
Also, I wonder what the shiny Tokay looks like? I will have to take a look, but it will be really cool if it is green.
Have a nice day.
The games out tomarrow in Japan, this footage for your eyes one day before the world :)
in my hands one day before the world
Its a sick sick world
Yeah, but I prefer this world over Jupiter (too big, too many storms, not enough oxygen). Well, you are the lucky guy. Have fun playing Black (and please tell me if and where you catch a Tokay).
Have a nice day.
Anything and everything that gets encourage is amazing. We may not know how much the boost is yet, but my intuition tells me it's gonna be a 1.1x boost, which is still quite respectable coming from an ability. The downside of not getting secondary effects on attacks is pretty much negligible.
Earthquake spiral is probably gonna be pretty bad. It raises the atk of the poke every time they knock another poke out (not sure about satk) by an unknown amount. I don't think anyone is gonna go for spiral over intimidate on #553. And it's kind of a waste on #560, who is defensive in nature.
The hydra (dark/dragon poke - #635) looks scary, too (well, it looks awesome, but I mean the stats/ability/typing). That's some nice satk, and enough atk to easily go mixed. The dude basically screams draco meteor spam. Of course, if it gets a healing move (like roost) it'll be beastly defensively, too.
edit: Role, looks like your wish for more plus/minus pokemon has been granted. Ampharos and manectric get them.
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldabilities.shtml
There are a bunch of awesome abilities in there that could really change the game. Like ninetails and politoed with drought and drizzle... and all the starters/legendaries with generic abilities get something new, too. Entei might actually be semi-viable now!
edit: Wow, some of these abilities are really beast. The dark/fighting #560 even gets intimidate as an alternate ability from the dream world. That thing is gonna be mad good. There's really too much to comment on here, but I think speed boost blaziken and so many pokes getting shadow tag deserve mention >_>
Sounds interesting. Also, did anyone else notice that Victini comes sooner in the Pokedex? Before the starter Pokemon...
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Salanewt on 17, September, 2010, 06:50:29 PM
Sounds interesting. Also, did anyone else notice that Victini comes sooner in the Pokedex? Before the starter Pokemon...
Have a nice day.
yup i saw that, weird, y like, y could they not stick it at the bottem
Doods, this is OLD NEWS. Victini is #0 in the pokedex - probably all thew future Mews will be.
Also, I can't wait for the new abilities to be uploaded and explained. A Gallade without steadfast? YES PLEASE!
Also, Speed Boost Blaziken? DAYUM. Now it may be a bit more viable.
@Plus and Minus: Niiice. ^-^
Also, something I really like?
New music when you're low on HP, rather than just the old beeping.
OMG... GARY MF OAK BATTLE?! NO WAI!
Quote from: Role on 17, September, 2010, 09:29:43 PM
Doods, this is OLD NEWS. Victini is #0 in the pokedex - probably all thew future Mews will be.
Also, I can't wait for the new abilities to be uploaded and explained. A Gallade without steadfast? YES PLEASE!
Also, Speed Boost Blaziken? DAYUM. Now it may be a bit more viable.
@Plus and Minus: Niiice. ^-^
Also, something I really like?
New music when you're low on HP, rather than just the old beeping.
OMG... GARY MF OAK BATTLE?! NO WAI!
Yea i heard the new music, its a nice change but i must stress that the Music and sound effects in this game are god awful, seriously I cannont play this game with the sound on.. Them two tunes are okay like, but soundeffects dont sound pokemon and it just seems not like its missing something
You're pathetic, Maxi. >_>
You're so determined to hate the game, that you'd even try to bash the music, when the music's pretty good. Sure, it's not touhou-good, but it's still pretty good nontheless.
I can see Maxi's point, but I almost always hate the music in games (Pokemon is worse than Mario, which has actually had some nicer music recently (not to mention some of the classic themes)). Basically, the only games that I find have good music are the Mario/Yoshi/DK games, Zelda, and Golden Sun. To be fair, I do not play Metroid or Star Fox games very often, and some of the samples that were in Brawl sounded nice. As for Pokemon, I have always hated their music, causing me to turn it off without a warning. Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald were somewhat bearable at times, but I normally muted them after the second or third battle. I tried for Diamond/Platinum, but they were so much worse.
Have a nice day.
That I can understand - however, suddenly saying that it "doesn't sound like Pokemon?"
That just sounds so noobish that it's almost like he's never played the games before.
I guess you have a point, although the music does change a bit in each generation (for example, compare Sapphire's desert theme against any of Diamond's songs, and you can tell the difference).
Those songs do not sound nearly as awful as the fourth generation games, as they use a healthy mix of instruments. I have to agree with Maxi on the beeping sound effects. In fact, the music is a bit more bearable than it has been in the past... Still not something that I would turn up the speakers for, but it is something that I can tolerate when playing. Of course, I am waiting for the third game before I get one, if I do.
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Role on 18, September, 2010, 07:30:17 AM
You're pathetic, Maxi. >_>
You're so determined to hate the game, that you'd even try to bash the music, when the music's pretty good. Sure, it's not touhou-good, but it's still pretty good nontheless.
I will put this in bold as its important
I LOVE POKEMONI loaded up the game like a we girl excited like i got a new doll
nah i thought there was something wrong with my speakers on my DS. but it just is the bad music haha
I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE MUSIC
The ROM has bad music, seriously, its like listening to song with one speaker, only half the song
Playing HeartGold. Ran into Raikou. Didn't have a pokemon set to inflict a status effect. Threw a Fast Ball for kicks and giggles. Caught him. asdfghjkl;
@Overlord Kain: Playing Soulsilver. Togepi egg hatched. Went to check it's moveset. First thing I notice: OMGOSH SOMETHING OTHER THAN HUSTLE ASDFGH AMAZING!
Second thing I notice: Wait, WHAAAAT???? EXTRASENSORY??? AT LEVEL ONE? HUH?
...Which is of course why I used it (as a Togetic, mind you) to mop the floor with Morty's gym trainers and Morty all by itself. It went from level 22 to level 28 in one gym. EXTRASENSORY! *stuff dies*
@Sala: HOW DARE YOU BASH GEN 4 MUSIC GEN 4 HAS AWESOME MUSIC ASDF U!
@Role: New Gallade sucks for not having Telepathy like the rest of the Ralts line. Instead all it does is boost it's Attack whenever it gets hit with the Dark type.
Eh... telepathy is only good in double and triple battles. In singles, gallade made out better. Like... a lot better.
Quote@Sala: HOW DARE YOU BASH GEN 4 MUSIC GEN 4 HAS AWESOME MUSIC ASDF U!
So you mean to tell me that you can stand it? My gosh, it is almost as bad as those songs written by bands where the band mistakes a chalkboard for a guitar, and then they start scratching away with their nails as the lady who is a horrible singer attempts to moan (and I was forced to listen to almost an hour of it at school today). I am just saying that I would rather remove the speakers from my DS than sit down in a chair to listen to generation 4 music for five minutes (or any Pokemon really). Also, what on earth does "asdf" mean?
When I fight the Champion, I can put some Doors music on! "This is the end, my only friend the end." Die Cynthia, this is the end! You are going to go out just like Jimmy did! Mwahahahahahaha (R.I.P. Jimmy Morrison). If I start to lose, I will just play Help!.
Yeah, I would prefer Gallade's ability in single battles, which are much more common than double battles. I would be lucky to run into five double battles in Diamond/Platinum, as I would normally trigger one person before another (causing the double battle to become a single). I think the GBA Pokemon games were a tiny bit better at having double battles than these ones.
Edit: Actually, Light My Fire would be a better song to play when fighting Cynthia. The End has a slower pace than what I use during battle.
Have a nice day.
Gen 4 has great music. Gen 3's music was awful, even for the GBA. But apparently they figured out that it WAS in fact possible to have decent music on a handheld.
Now come on. Gen III's music wasn't that bad. Not bad at all. All 1 of the battle songs were good.
QuoteGen 4 has great music. Gen 3's music was awful, even for the GBA. But apparently they figured out that it WAS in fact possible to have decent music on a handheld.
It would be better if they had a nice range of instruments. Most of them have higher instuments, and it makes the majority of the music sound deathly in my ears. For example, there was nothing stopping them from using a pan flute or a clarinet, was there? You have to admit that there can be no comparison between Pokemon and Golden Sun though.
Have a nice day.
I liked pretty much all the music from all the games as well as pretty much everything else because I'm a bro and don't look for things to dislike (http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/t/thumbsup.gif)
And no I'm not calling out anyone I read the posts I'm glad pretty much everyone still loves the games!
But still from my point of view the new generation is the best yet. Not necessarily because of the Pokemon (but there are some pretty cool ones), just because of all the new things they've thrown onto the table (There is a PLOT! An actual plot!). Seriously I've said to myself "This is the best Pokemon game yet!" and I've NEVER thought that to myself about any other!
Also my Pokemon team:
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/077/5/7/custom_pokemon_sprites_v2_by_drick96-d3by0of.png)
---Xeno--Zielkov----Jacob--Jack-----Flux---Walter----Ramses---
Ghost x4, Dark x2, Dark-Ghost x1. lawls
I call bullshit. That's a 7-mon team!
RAMSES!
(http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/KainUltima/return_the_slab_by_devinme96-d34badj.jpg)
Quote from: Role on 27, March, 2011, 04:05:47 AM
I call bullshit. That's a 7-mon team!
I KNOW I couldn't decide on who to drop and now I just keep one on standby in my PC box. It it were up to me I'd carry Sableye around on my back to make space!
Quote from: Overlord Kain on 27, March, 2011, 04:10:19 AM
RAMSES!
My Cofigrigus' name was more of a reference to Golden Sun, I haven't seen much of that show.
Put Sableye back. Now. Right. Now.
Anyways, got Black and it's actually really good. Just got one of these:
(http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/scolipede.jpg)
And oh my god its cry sounds like a table saw... ready to tear through your opponent.
Quote from: Charon the Ferryman on 29, March, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
Put Sableye back. Now. Right. Now.
What seems to be the problem?
Not sure, though I can supply a reason as to why you should keep him. As he is both Dark and Ghost, he has no actual weaknesses. I am not sure about the three newbies, but Sableye is a pretty good Pokemon to have.
'Cept his base stats suck so a basic attack would knock him out easily regardless of a lack of a weakness
Quote from: Charon the Ferryman on 29, March, 2011, 09:14:46 PM
'Cept his base stats suck so a basic attack would knock him out easily regardless of a lack of a weakness
Without an evo, it's too sucky.
What do you take me for? Of course I know that. Mine has hacked stats and Shadow Force (Strongest Ghost move normally only learnable by Giratina).
Although his hacked stats aren't really that substantial, it still allows him to up from useless to only slightly weak (with a kickass move).
ITT: Drick proves that he can only win in Pokemon by cheating, thus losing respect from the rest of the forums.
Agreed. It's more fun actually training your pokemon you know... Although the pros get too uptight about that with IVs and EVs...
Drick's already banned from competition. There's actually code that's triggered in the games if you're caught cheating - he can never participate in official events, nor even get the goodies you tend to get for attending them now. Plus, even children trainers will get mad at him. There are some things you don't do. Cheating at pokemon is one of them.
Huh, that's new to me. I've heard nothing about this code.
ok wow where did that come from all I did was make a weak Pokemon usable. All my other Pokemon are pure and unhacked, jeeeeez
Plus I'm not planning to enter any events and if I DID I would just not use Sableye. Wow.
Not like it would matter because again he's still not an uber Pokemon or anything just stronger than the average Sableye
Have you never heard of the Little Cup? Where Sableye is actually a pretty damn good option?
Also, you can't just not use Sableye. I just told you, they program the game to trigger some code when a hacked pokemon is put on the game. YOU CAN'T USE THAT CART, PERIOD. Anyone you've traded Sableye to can't either.
Also, has it occurred to you that many pokemon, such as Misdreveus, have gotten Evos since their introduction? That it's likely that Sableye and Mawile will probably get some in a later gen as well?
You hacked a pokemon game. That's auto-loss of respect in the eyes of many gamers. Hacking games to make them harder is one thing (MMBN hacks are notorious about making even harder uberbosses to fight), but outright cheating like you're doing?
That hurts, Role. You've caught me completely off guard. All I wanted was to legitimately use Sableye in my single-player experience, for him to be able to fight properly alongside my team. Not much to it, just to use one of my favorite Pokemon. No intentions of competitive play or special events, just some fun with my dream team. And you're shooting me down like I'm hacking a whole team of superpowered Pokemon that can breeze through the game with no challenge. If I didn't make this clear, my Sableye is my only cheated Pokemon, and even he can be 1HKO'd by something like Hydro Pump. I'm not trying to justify what I did, all I want is for you to realize that it's no big deal and take it easy. I don't even have the option to participate in competitions, I live far away from any big town. (Plus I'm too lazy and couldn't care less)
I'm not ruining the game, I'm not ruining anyone else's fun. Hell right now I'm training my levels to be able to take on The Elite Four round 2 (The @#$%&*! dark guy gives me hell, obviously).
Honestly, I didn't do anything that made my game less fun, in the fact the only negative thing that's come of it was your response to it. I'm not asking for much, just a little understanding.
If it's your favorite, and you're using it only in SP, then there's NO NEED to do that - you can beat the game by making an optimal-for-combat Sableye - build them as if you're working on making a little cup champion, and you'll see that they're not that bad against in-game foes.
However, giving them impossible stats and an UBERHAX move that banned from competitive play because of how broken it is? Yeah, you're no better than someone who hacks Golden Sun to make all the enemies have half stats and give fifty times the XP. Instead of pulling off a feat that would make a gamer proud, beating the game while maining a Sableye of all things, you cheated your way there.
If it hurts, that's because it should. You don't brag about cheating, not even on a forum about hacking a game. It's not cool.
Role, please. I couldn't main my Sableye. My Dusknoir and Scrafty are way stronger. And how can you compare me that way? Did you even listen? My Sableye is a strong Sableye, but not UBERHAX strong. In fact, the rest of my Pokemon still outmatch him.
Also, remember that I have 7 Pokemon? That' a whole team besides him, I've raised 6 other Pokemon! You could just discount my Sableye and I have a perfectly normal, badly typed team!
And why is the competition stuff so important? I've already established that I have no interest in it.
I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm not trying to make a grand accomplishment. I'm trying to have a little fun. You're not making me feel bad for cheating, you're making me feel bad because of your rudeness.
And don't think that I'm enjoying this, I didn't come here to argue with anyone. This really sucks.
EDIT: You know what? Forget this. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry for bringing it up. I'm sorry for hoping to amuse someone. I'm sorry you can't enjoy it with me. I apologize sincerely for not realizing that a game marketed to children is incredibly serious business and I feel ashamed for making minor edits to enhance my experience. I am a dirty hacker and should have just hacked a bunch of Lv. 100s instead of a buffed weakling.
I honestly do not see what the problem is, as long as it is for personal amusement or personal use. If one can not play online because of that, so what? What one could do if they really want is to back-up their Pokemon in another game, and start a new file without them. Besides, it is hardly different from using a code for a Sableye egg with max IVs and EVs, or even obtaining one normally.
Also, if there is coding, then there must be a way around it. In the end, it is best to avoid arguing about it and have fun talking!
Quote from: Salanewt on 30, March, 2011, 08:07:41 PM
I honestly do not see what the problem is, as long as it is for personal amusement or personal use. If one can not play online because of that, so what? What one could do if they really want is to back-up their Pokemon in another game, and start a new file without them. Besides, it is hardly different from using a code for a Sableye egg with max IVs and EVs, or even obtaining one normally.
Also, if there is coding, then there must be a way around it. In the end, it is best to avoid arguing about it and have fun talking!
Thank you so much, I'm now at relative ease.
It's really not meant as an offense though. Hell I raised Murkrows, Fearows and Pidgeots back in the R/S/E days just cuz I could. But be aware that people are gonna pwn the crap out of you with that, and if you want to do really any good it's your weakspot Pokemon in your themed team.
But on the topic of hacking... meh, do it if you want. Not my cartridge. Although... I remember having a code that hacked IVs/Shininess in my less glorious days (I.E. 2008) in D/P, should I try to transfer those pokes? I traded some of them to HG probably, and HG can still get on Wifi Battle Tower and GTS... I didn't have them have illegal movesets (except for a Bibarel back in Diamond with Explosion for teh lulz but I promptly released him).
tbh if you want to do all that stuff though go onto Shoddy Battle, it lets you set IVs/EVs to whatever you want. No illegal movesets though...
Hahaha, yeah. But it's perfectly fine for single player. I just need to do some training...
Anyway, time for a change of topic. Who else is interested in the dream world? It seems like it will be an amusing little gimmik. Too bad it was delayed by that whole disaster in Japan... I hope for the best for those people influenced but this is not the thread to discuss that.
i just got pokemon white and its AWESOME
i started with tepig and it turned ugly though
For anyone who cares the Pokemon Global Link (http://www.pokemon-gl.com/)/Dream World is now online!
I just owned some random trainer at a Triple Battle on Wi-fi yesterday (first Wi-fi match ever!). The guy had a shiny Event Haxorus, shiny Salamence, shiny Emboar, Milotic, Vanilluxe, and one more who I don't remember at the moment, one of which was in a Master Ball for some odd reason. I took him down with Bisharp, Golurk, Lapras, Blastoise, Zoroark, and Mienshao. It was an interesting battle, though I won with three Pokémon still standing. His Haxorus was lucky enough to dodge my Telekinesis/Guillotine combo, and my attempt at a Telekinesis/Sheer Cold on Milotic was interrupted with a lucky paralysis from Salamence's Dragon Breath. On the plus side, I got a lucky shot on that same Milotic with Sheer Cold later in the fight. His Milotic probably would have gotten me if I hadn't, too. Darn thing was using a dangerous Aqua Ring/Leftovers combo.
Salamence's Intimidate + Bisharp's Defiant = half-team sweep with critical hit Night Slashes. This is a formula you should remember. And it could've been worse: my Bisharp could've been holding a Razor Claw instead of Leftovers.
On an unrelated note: Victini + Zen Headbutt + Razor Fang = kickass
I've always found Bisharp too risky to use considering the high numbers of Fighting types that tend to be used. Then again, I use a Weavile...
Actually, I was wrong: It wasn't a three-Pokémon sweep. It was only two critical Night Slashes in a row. Bisharp's first KO was an Iron Head to the guy's Vanilluxe (which was in a Master Ball, and which also started the fight with an Ice Gem'd Ice Beam... On Bisharp, when Golurk was right next to it. Go figure). And I was wrong about a second point, as well: It wasn't event Haxorus, that was just a regular shiny. It was his Hydreigon that was an Event shiny. So yeah. He had four shinies.
Yeah, Fighting Types are common, so I was kinda lucky that three of this guy's Pokémon were uber dragons, and that he didn't have Emboar pwn me with Superpower or Flare Blitz or somesuch. Instead, Bisharp got three kills with Iron Head and Night Slash, and it was only by luck that she didn't get a fourth kill with Telekinesis + Guillotine, and that Lapras didn't get a Telekinesis + Sheer Cold combo off as well.
Actually, looking at the guy's battle strategy, he's a moron.
Also, if anyone with Wi-fi wants to watch a battle video of it, the video number is 58-25016-70200
Have y'all seen Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition?
Two words.
Pokemon. TRPG.
It's finally here, folks. A Pokemon Tactical RPG. I... I can die happy now.
After I play it, of course.
That's awesome. I only hope it comes out in North America.
Also, I think a Tales of/Pokemon crossover would be cool as well, in terms of fighting style.
Dewott: Tsia *slash* Tsia *slash* To! *slash* Fury Cutter! *slicesliceslicesliceslicesliceSLICE!* Razor Shell! *SLASH*
That looks magnificent. I hope it comes out in Europe so I can have some Umbreon related escapades.
Fat chance of ever seeing that in Europe, I guess. But then again, it's pokémon. It shouldn't be impossible.
There's a bunch of DS games I really want that I'd have to import, but I never get around to do so since I'm not supposed to have enough time to play them...
@playing with OHKO moves allowed: lol
Hey, it's random wireless. It's not like I can just disallow OHKO moves. Besides, they're a legitimate strategy! And I only started using them after 5th gen rolled around with Telekinesis, which increases accuracy for moves aimed at the target by 56.25% for 3 turns.
QuoteThere's a bunch of DS games I really want that I'd have to import, but I never get around to do so since I'm not supposed to have enough time to play them...
Not only DS games but... well, everything. And if someone doesn't have much time to play, they shouldn't be playing a TRPG. Because oh boy, those are VERY time consuming.
And if time was the only issue here maybe I wouldn't be typing this right now.
@OHKO moves: ... I think they are ok. They don't seem to be too harmful (or whatever would be the correct word). And there are obviously better strategies, so... yeah.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 27, January, 2012, 11:54:54 AM
Dewott: Tsia *slash* Tsia *slash* To! *slash* Fury Cutter! *slicesliceslicesliceslicesliceSLICE!* Razor Shell! *SLASH*
What? That's not what would happen!
Dewott: De *slash* De *slash* Wott! *slash* Dewott De! *slicesliceslicesliceslicesliceSLICE!* De Dewott! *SLASH*
There, fixed it for you. Still, I agree, a Tales of Pokemon would be fun as hell.
Actually, you're partially right, though in Pokémon-centric games like Mystery Dungeon the Pokémon are almost always perfectly understandable.
So it'd sound more like:
Dewott: Wott *slash* wott *slash* De~ew! *slash slash* Fury Cutter dededeDEW! *sliceslicesliceslicesliceSLICE!* Razor Shell! *slash!*
Also, I think Victini should be in the next Smash Bros. I can already think of a general playstyle for it, which involves making use of U-turn and Flame Charge to be everywhere at once, as well as Inferno to create a slow-moving projectile that functions a bit like a wall or a mine. Its Final Smash is obvious: V-create.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 27, January, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
Hey, it's random wireless. It's not like I can just disallow OHKO moves. Besides, they're a legitimate strategy! And I only started using them after 5th gen rolled around with Telekinesis, which increases accuracy for moves aimed at the target by 56.25% for 3 turns.
But why not just battle in doubles with a No Guard Machamp as your second if you're using OHKOs?
Because... I don't know. Because I'm a noob, really. And because I completely forgot about No Guard. And I don't play competitively. For example, I don't EV train. At all. The closest thing to EV training I'd ever bother doing is getting my hands on a large number of EV-boosting items, then counting them out appropriately. I'm just too lazy to memorize which Pokémon I want to beat up and how many of them.
Aye, I only started EV training after a friend tore my team apart. And when I thought that the Battle Tower wasn't cheating its way to victory...
We already knew the Battle Tower cheated. They score far more critical hits than they have any right to, and also always perfectly predict your moves, etc.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 29, January, 2012, 02:58:44 AM
Actually, you're partially right, though in Pokémon-centric games like Mystery Dungeon the Pokémon are almost always perfectly understandable.
So it'd sound more like:
Dewott: Wott *slash* wott *slash* De~ew! *slash slash* Fury Cutter dededeDEW! *sliceslicesliceslicesliceSLICE!* Razor Shell! *slash!*
Also, I think Victini should be in the next Smash Bros. I can already think of a general playstyle for it, which involves making use of U-turn and Flame Charge to be everywhere at once, as well as Inferno to create a slow-moving projectile that functions a bit like a wall or a mine. Its Final Smash is obvious: V-create.
That's because in those games, you ARE a pokemon. I suppose if it was done like that it
could work, but... It just wouldn't feel right. :/
@Jamie: if you think you're too lazy to EV train, then you probably don't breed for IVs as well, right? Because THAT was painful. *shivers*
And, IMO, EV training is the easiest part when training a poke, simply because you have total control over it. And it might be faster than you think, considering all those new items they've been including. And keeping track of EVs is not really that hard, there are many many ways to do it effectively.
Well, I think you'll get the hang of it over time. I mean, if you'd be willing to do it, of course.
Yeah. But I also didn't encounter reset for IVs, either. Which I should've, since my Victini and Zekrom have only "average" IVs. Victini, however, has noticeable good IVs in Attack. It was a full 30 points higher than its Special Attack and defences at level 65, and it has a neutral nature.
But you know what they did which is bloody stupid? Apparently in Black & White, the EV-reducing berries don't work anymore. They also removed the functionality of the glass flutes. Yeah, well screw you too, GAMEFREAK!
From what I hear, because of the negative reactions, they're gonna be bringing that back next gen.
Why not just bring them back in this gen's remakes? Hoenn is where the glass flutes and berries were introduced.
Quote from: Kide on 31, January, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
@Jamie: if you think you're too lazy to EV train, then you probably don't breed for IVs as well, right? Because THAT was painful. *shivers
And then you finally get someone with good IVs and they just
have to have a hindering nature, don't they? Three Adamant Deinos in a row!
You say that like it's a given, yet we haven't heard anything about it... Still, I'd love to play Hoenn again. I liked that one. Hoenn with Gen V mechanics, and hopefully Emerald's extra content plus more...
Well, apparently there's actual news regarding that. Something about a twitter post...
Hoenn with Gen V mechanics would be great. I mean, I never did really get into Pokemon before the Gen IV Physical/Special split. I think they honestly need to rerelease every game in the series pre-gen IV, including the Orre ones, after that drastic change in mechanics.
And hopefully we get the Acro Bike and Mach Bike again. I hated them for getting rid of the Acro Bike...
I hated them for not letting you transfer 2nd gen pokémon forward. Though the Acro bike was very fun.
@Role, I'm just saying it's likely based on past evidence, though I'm not sure whether it'd be Ruby and Sapphire or Emerald and a 1st gen game. Hopefully you'll get to have them out and walking with you whatever they do.
They kind of didn't have a choice, Durza. The hardware was incomparable. That's like saying you hated the fact that you couldn't play Sonic CD on the Game Gear. It doesn't work that way.
I hope it's Emerald. Second most epic story climax in the whole series.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 01, February, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
I hope it's Emerald. Second most epic story climax in the whole series.
And the epicest (that's a word now) story climax is B&W's. (First pokemon game to have an actual PLOT! Yayz~)
Actually, I think I like Platinum better, simply because of the Distortion World. (Though, the name Torn World is better.) Riding sideways on an upside-down waterfall coming off of a pool of water on the ceiling = epic! And actually, Black and White is the third game in the series to have a plot. The first two were Emerald and Platinum. And the major problem with Black and White's plot is that you don't run into Team Plasma enough. Like, N's all "I am king of Team Plasma" at Nimbasa, then you don't really run into them at Driftveil, and they're completely absent in Mistralton.
I hatched all of my 4th gen eggs in the Distortion World, just so I could run sideways again. I was kind of disappointed that you didn't get to go through the whole thing again though.
If/When they make the third 5th gen game, it'll likely have more Plasma involvement.
Quote from: Durza on 01, February, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
And then you finally get someone with good IVs and they just have to have a hindering nature, don't they? Three Adamant Deinos in a row!
This is true. Although... if it was me, and if I saw they were Adamant, I wouldn't even bother to check IVs. I mean, you first check nature and ability, and if those are cool, go for the pain.
But that doesn't mean what you said is wrong. It happens quite frequently, especially with pokes you get without breeding.
@Acro bike: I personally didn't like it. I think it was more that I didn't like changing bikes. And between Acro and Mach... yeah, I take the faster one. Plus, hopping on those things was kinda annoying.
I agree that having to change bikes was annoying. But those bike-platforming sections were awesome! There weren't nearly enough of them.
Quote from: Kide on 02, February, 2012, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: Durza on 01, February, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
And then you finally get someone with good IVs and they just have to have a hindering nature, don't they? Three Adamant Deinos in a row!
This is true. Although... if it was me, and if I saw they were Adamant, I wouldn't even bother to check IVs. I mean, you first check nature and ability, and if those are cool, go for the pain.
I only knew they had good IVs because I'd given the father a choice lens. I was trying to get one with Dark Pulse at the same time, so it was a Seviper. Which is pretty creepy.
There weren't really that many places you needed the Mach bike though were there? All I remember is not seeming to have the Acro when I needed it to jump.
The mach bike was used for those little sand-pile things, there's quite a few of them spread throughout the game. I generally prefered the Mach bike just because of its speed, and used the Acro if I needed something, but then switched back.
Lol in retrospect its kind of funny how a bike company lets you switch between two completely different bikes whenever you want... lol
As much as I would like a Ruby/Sapphire remake, I'm a bit skeptical since technically you CAN transfer Pokemon from Gen III through Gen IV to finally Gen V. They might not do it for this reason (which makes me sad!)
But by the time HG/SS came out, it was possible to have all of the 2nd generation mons as well. Just very difficult. And they're phasing out the GBA slot as well, so people who have those new-fangled DSis and 3DSes won't be able to transfer them.
Not so fast, bucko!
They may very well be able to... IF they have the games for Virtual Console. Gen 6 may very well have a transfer feature that brings things from your virtual console games over into the games!
Darn. Now I'll just have to rely on the desire of a large company to make money in order to get my 3rd gen remakes...
The thought occurs that a remake of a remake would be stupid, yet Kanto is still by far the most popular region... Maybe this time they're making a Yellow remake? Perhaps an expanded yellow remake; Yellow was meant to follow the anime's plot more than RBG and the idea of a Pokemon game that properly followed the anime plot seems to be quite popular. It would also explain why they're so insistent they aren't making Pokemon Grey, if they're working on something larger scale.
I hate to be that gal, but... I really don't want a Kanto remake. I'm not that big of a fan of the original 150.
We already have a Kanto remake, it's called FireRed/LeafGreen. And I personally found them very disappointing, to the point that I prefer the original Red and Blue. I consider those excellent games though, despite the many bugs and design flaws. The GBA remakes didn't fix any of those flaws, abilities contributed little to nothing, having mostly passive effects (I expect they were originally just filler data since the pokémon themselves existed before the games), and EVs/natures just meant you might end up with horribly underpowered pokémon if you don't watch out. It's also the generation that needs the physical/special attack split more than any other, half of the pokémon in it still can't do what they were designed for even in the remake. I really don't see what's so great about those games. Good thing the Touhou patches got made and redeemed them a hundred times over.
^oops, rant warning lol
Anyway, about not liking the first 150, if we're talking about the designs... I think every generation has an about equal distribution of likable designs (about 1/3 of good, acceptable, and stupid each). Maybe B/W had a few more stupid ones, but anyways. It also feels like the 3rd and 5th generation changed the direction of the monster design quite drastically compared to their predecessors.
@FR/LF being disappointing: Yeah, I think that may be kind of a common feeling. I mean, poor Kingler. It was just as useless as in Gen 1, perhaps even more. Now it is just... bad. Also, some things like Gyarados and Dragonite at least got Earthquake, which was kinda weird for them not having it back then, but even so, it wasn't enough. About EVs/Natures... I remember writing a rant post about those on one forum I used to go back then, mainly comparing stats overalls for a specific poke with the changed mechanics. Plus, it was so much simpler with Stat Experience... But yeah, it was needed to change.
And I really don't dislike any specific Pokemon, being it by usefulness or design. Sure, there are some really useless stuff (hello Delibird, Unown, etc) and there are some really weird designs as well (Klink family, Vanillite family, ...), but the Pokemon world is already too weird to begin with, so I try not to care.
Am I the only one who doesn't hate the new designs? I look at all the designs, and there's an equal ratio of good to crappy designs in every single gen. I just... I can't see why people love the originals so much while hating the new ones.
Me neither. Grimer is just as fail as trubbish, so people should stop whining. Also Tauros. And Jynx, and Bellsprout, and Magmar, and Electabuzz. (though Elekid and Electivire are awesome.) And Drowzee, definitely. So people should stop hating. And Oshawott is cute and badass, so there.
Tepig, on the other hand, is not. I try not to say that some of the pokemon designs are terrible, but... they put in an ice cream. Why?
They put in a spotted mime thing. Why?
I like most Pokemon, and the ones I don't are due to a combination of poor design and utter uselessness.
I like Bidoof. I am the 1%. But seriously, that thing is adorable and made even more so by Mystery Dungeon.
Having said that, there are a buttload of Pokemon I think could have been so much better; simple things like giving Charizard, Gyarados and numerous others a secondary Dragon type instead of the stupidly common Flying type; giving Parasect decent stats; not having 2 adorable Dragon worm things evolve into a joke - seriously, I hate Dragonite; Dunsparce, Smeargle, Unown etc. the list goes on longer with each generation.
Ok, they're slowly fixing these sort of problems by giving the useless 'mon evolutions. What I don't get is why they don't just do a Magnemite/Ton and retconning this sort of thing.
Tepig pissed people off more with the family's typing, not with the concept of a fire pig. Self-cooking bacon is awesome. The third Fire/Fighting starter in a row? Seriously? Dood, you could have - and should have - gone Fire/Ground.
Hell, Piplup went Water/Steel. That @#$% was awesome. So... why are we repeating the same type combo for three gens with the Fire Starters?
Er... I hope you people are not thinking I hate the new designs by saying that some of those are weird, because... that's not true. Being weird doesn't mean I hate 'em. Like I said, I don't dislike any Pokemon, and like it's been said here already, all gens got good and bad designs. Just clarifying what I said.
Quote from: RoleAm I the only one who doesn't hate the new designs? I look at all the designs, and there's an equal ratio of good to crappy designs in every single gen. I just... I can't see why people love the originals so much while hating the new ones.
Loving everything in the first gen has to be nostalgia, while there are some pretty good designs, there's just as many farfetch'd and downright ridiculous ones. And every new batch is kind of hit-and-miss at first, like I was saying, although I usually grow to like many of them after a while (and ignore the rest).
The latest gen feels different though. Some designs are really cartoony and goofy, while others are very serious and alien, and don't really seem to belong in the same game. And then there's throh/sawk and the goth line which are basically people, and it's just so wrong (hitmonchan has that problem too). I do like many of the desings, but there seems to be no consistency in the style whatsoever.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUserGrimer is just as fail as trubbish, so people should stop whining.
BLASPHEMY
and muk is awesome ._.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUserAlso Tauros. And Jynx, and Bellsprout, and Magmar, and Electabuzz.
Hey. I think magmar is pretty cool, at least if you can ignore the flame pattern. A fire duck/salamander, I mean how cool is that? But yeah, they are stupid. What's
even more stupid is their evolutions and baby forms introduced in fourth gen. I particularly hate Magnezone, way to ruin a cool pokémon.
They were supposed to be pretty different, though - remember that the goal here was to make a region on a totally different continent half a world away. I'll also disagree with you on the whole "cartoony" thing. Hell, dood, to me Pikachu is a freaking symbol of "Cartoony". This is a non-issue. Sawk and Throh, as well as the gothitelle lines... Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, as well as Jynx. Dood, there's seriously parallels between this gen and the first. They just gave Gothitelle a whole line rather than being a standalone that needs expansion later.
And no, Muk is a pile of crap. Literally. :awesomesmiley:
The thing is, most of the Gen 5 hate is produced by people trying to hate it. Some of these claims are really pushing it. They're no more valid than the whole "Gen I and II were the best thing". Gen I I'm sick of, and I thought Gen II sucked. So... yeah. Internet fanboys out there? Deal with it.
The issue isn't that they're "cartoony", it's that the style clashes with not only the other generations, but also with 'mons in the same game. And unlike many others from its era, Pikachu actually has a really tasteful design.
I forgot about Jynx, but don't try to tell me Hitmonlee looks human, unless everything having arms and legs looks human. The idea was bad in gen 1, and it still is.
Quote from: Role
And no, Muk is a pile of crap. Literally. :awesomesmiley:
An awesome pile of crap, then.
I'm not trying to hate Gen 5, I'm trying to
like it. And I do, just not as much as the other games in the series. The game design as a whole feels kind of strange, not bad exactly, but it's like they put all the right people in the wrong place. Gen II improved upon Gen I, Gen IV improved upone Gen III... Gen 3 and 5 only pushed the series in a different direction, however.
Gen II... there's a fine example of how things should be done. They aren't my favorite, but they're still outstanding games even today, and easily the best titles for their system. That's where I stand.
So basically, you don't like the americas as much because the wildlife is different than what you're used to in Japan. *sagenod*
From my understanding, gen 5 is the first generation that didn't completely change the mechanics. It's the only one I think that can be argued to be "an improvement" over the previous generation, rather than just different. Gen 2 was substantially different from gen 1, gen 3 was substantially different from gen 2, and gen 4 was substantially different from gen 3. You can't call gen 2 merely an "improvement" over gen 1 when it introduced the special split and added two whole new types, just as you can't call gen 4 merely an "improvement" over gen 3 when it made physical/special designated by move instead of type. These are sweeping mechanics changes. There are other nuances to the mechanics changes between generations, but these are the major ones that you're likely to feel even when playing against the CPU.
I'd say the most sweeping mechanics changes were either from gen 1 to gen 2 or gen 2 to gen 3. Gen 3 to gen 4 saw smaller changes than either of the previous transitions (though still substantial), and gen 4 to gen 5 saw very few significant mechanics changes.
...Huh?
We're talking about how pokemon look. What are YOU talking about?
He's talking about game mechanics. We're talking about Pokemons' appearances and the games' storylines. lolfail, leaf.
I think he is using game mechanics to contribute to the debate about which generations may or may not be good or bad. Generally, because of how they usually overhaul the core mechanics between each generation, they are all really different. However, the fifth generation introduced few major changes to the mechanics, and was meant to merely be an improvement to what already exists.
As for appearances/graphics and visual looks, I have to agree with Misery. Sure, there are some nice ones in the new batch (like Dwebble), but most of them fail to really catch my eye - and they still haven't gotten close either. I can agree with the hit or miss thing, but this generation's Pokemon have almost all missed if compared to previous generations... But then again, this is just my opinion on the matter.
Legendaries this gen are awesome, for one thing. Also, Golurk, Bisharp, Zoroark, and Dewott are my favourite non-legendaries. Cinccino is cool, too.
I like some of them, but others feel a bit off to me - I don't know why. Dewott looks cool, but am I the only one who thinks that it should also be Fighting type? I mean, its highest evolution's name is made up of samurai and otter.
Cinccino is cute, such a little cappuccino monster!
Bisharp is okay, but it reminds me of the Axem Rangers for some reason.
As for the others, no comment.
Bisharp is supposed to remind you of it. They were based on super sentai, as were the Axems. Golurk is the giant robot they summon.
I agree Dewott and Samurott should've been fighting type. Rock Smash and Brick Break would've been good moves for them to learn naturally. Then again, I guess Rock Smash would kinda be a duplicate move, since it already has Razor Shell.
It'd be different typing, and that is important. Just ask leaf, he knows all about the mechanics, amirite? :awe:
Only time it would be remotely useful is if the enemy both resisted Water and was weak to Fighting, or is double weak to Fighting, because STAB Razor Shell does more damage than a super effective Rock Smash. And even then, if you're using it for the Defense nerf, you'd use Razor Shell over Rock Smash anyway due to increased activation rate, unless they had Water Absorb or Storm Drain or some such.
Uh... yeah... I kinda just jumped in here and evidently completely misread the thread. Sorry 'bout that.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 14, February, 2012, 01:32:58 AM
Only time it would be remotely useful is if the enemy both resisted Water and was weak to Fighting, or is double weak to Fighting, because STAB Razor Shell does more damage than a super effective Rock Smash. And even then, if you're using it for the Defense nerf, you'd use Razor Shell over Rock Smash anyway due to increased activation rate, unless they had Water Absorb or Storm Drain or some such.
If he was Water/Fighting, though, wouldn't it be STAB Rock Smash, too?
Forgot. /fail.
Yeah, that would make Rock Smash rather more useful.
Funny thing: I actually like Fury Cutter in Gen V.
Oh yeah, and Bullet Seed has 25 power, which I was originally not aware of.
I started liking 5th gen a whole lot more after I started playing through it. Probably the same with 4th gen.
The reason why so many people hate later gens is because they haven't bothered playing through the later games. Hell, said people can't even decide whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd is the best from the ones they like. The pokemon gens is simply a controversial topic.
Having said that, out of the Pokemon I've encountered so far I only really liked Smugleaf (Snivy). Serperior does need to have a secondary Dragon type though.
Quote from: leafI'd say the most sweeping mechanics changes were either from gen 1 to gen 2 or gen 2 to gen 3. Gen 3 to gen 4 saw smaller changes than either of the previous transitions (though still substantial), and gen 4 to gen 5 saw very few significant mechanics changes.
Agreed. I would say gen 2 to gen 3 had the most intense changes, IMO. Introduction of natures and abilities, being unable to max out all stats, change of DVs to IVs and how these are correlated... Basically, what made you unable to transfer pokes from gen 2 to gen 3.
Also, one cool thing from gen 5 was that some old moves got a much needed boost, being it power, PP, effect, or combinations of those. And I think I don't need to give examples of those. I mean, you people all now it already.
I just think they're being babies about it. They make a big fuss, saying it's unoriginal, then it comes out, they love it, and repeat the same thing next time.
Watch, come Gen X, Gen V will be seen as still being very creative.
That's more rose tinted glasses than anything though. I mean, Gen X would be around seventeen years away if every generation after this lasts as long as the fourth. There'll be a fair bit of nostalgia build up once there's over a thousand pokemon.
Because I feel like ranting:
Things wrong with Pokémon Black & White:
1. Lack of VS. Seeker or Match Call functionality.
2. Removal of Mach Bike functionality.
3. Removal of berry trees.
4. Lack of in-game Multi Battles.
5. Small number of in-game Triple or Rotation Battles. Also, use of only Single Battles even when attacked by multiple Plasma Grunts during the plot.
6. Lack of six-player Multi Battles.
7. Only one Dive area.
8. Removal of Pokémon Contests (though that's something more wrong with Gen IV).
9. Small amount of post-game content.
10. Inability to rematch Gym Leaders.
11. And the most nitpicky thing here: layering issues during Pokémon Musicals.
Also, for some reason Samurott's battle sprite fails to show it drawing its swords, and it doesn't have a "standing on hind legs" stance for using props in Musicals.
Cool things: Diglett and Dugtrio do not appear above ground when exiting their Pokéballs, like most Pokémon do. They are also immune to Telekinesis.
Mawile's front and back sprites are switched during Musicals.
Oh, so Mawile actually faces the audience in musicals? That's pretty clever.
Technically speaking, Mawile's actually facing AWAY from the audience. Its eyes are positioned to be able to look "behind" it, and the mouth on its "face" is a fake. The "normal" face Mawile has is actually a lure to attract prey, before it snarfs them up with its real head.
Funny, pretty much all other media does it the other way around, with the big jaws being not the true face, but either a defense mechanism or where its real mouth is.
The way it's worded in the various Pokédex entries implies that it uses the normal face to look non-threatening, then attacks with its massive jaws. Dunno if I'm proven right or wrong by that, but whatever.
Edit: SPECULATION, PEOPLE! Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 have been announced. Personally, I'm hoping for a direct sequel to Black & White, complete with transfer data and same playable characters.
The storyline would go something like this:
You begin the game with your party, player character, and name from your transfer data of the previous game (or some of their canon Pokémon from their Battle Subway + their member of the Tao Trio (Zekrom in White 2, or Reshiram in Black 2), if you don't use transfer data). At the game's start, you start off in a battle against a random trainer, which you promptly own. Then Team Plasma shows up and steals all your Pokémon before you can react. Rushing to the Pokémon centre to grab out new Pokémon, you discover that somehow, your Pokémon are all missing from there, too. This forces you to go to Professor Juniper's lab to get a second starter Pokémon. Then you go off to defeat Plasma Grunts and get your Pokémon back, in order from weakest to strongest, while working to find out how on earth Plasma could have returned already.
QuoteYou begin the game with your party, player character, and name from your transfer data of the previous game (or some of their canon Pokémon from their Battle Subway + their member of the Tao Trio (Zekrom in White 2, or Reshiram in Black 2), if you don't use transfer data). At the game's start, you start off in a battle against a random trainer, which you promptly own. Then Team Plasma shows up and steals all your Pokémon before you can react. Rushing to the Pokémon centre to grab out new Pokémon, you discover that somehow, your Pokémon are all missing from there, too. This forces you to go to Professor Juniper's lab to get a second starter Pokémon. Then you go off to defeat Plasma Grunts and get your Pokémon back, in order from weakest to strongest, while working to find out how on earth Plasma could have returned already.
THIS.
And, also...
Pokemon Conquest (http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-conquest/)
Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition?
DO WANT.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 19, February, 2012, 06:24:21 AMYou begin the game with your party, player character, and name from your transfer data of the previous game (or some of their canon Pokémon from their Battle Subway + their member of the Tao Trio (Zekrom in White 2, or Reshiram in Black 2), if you don't use transfer data). At the game's start, you start off in a battle against a random trainer, which you promptly own. Then Team Plasma shows up and steals all your Pokémon before you can react. Rushing to the Pokémon centre to grab out new Pokémon, you discover that somehow, your Pokémon are all missing from there, too. This forces you to go to Professor Juniper's lab to get a second starter Pokémon. Then you go off to defeat Plasma Grunts and get your Pokémon back, in order from weakest to strongest, while working to find out how on earth Plasma could have returned already.
This would be a bit silly. I mean, if Plasma could have stolen your pokémon before, wouldn't they have? I'd imagine it's going to be a sequel in the same way the second gen was to the first, with you needing to find the protagonist from the first game and borrow his legendary to fuse with Kyurem.
Though to be honest, I'd much prefer if Ghetsis and Cyrus teamed up and tried to destroy the Creation Trio with the Tao Trio so they could reset the world.
Yes, we KNOW it's a sequel at this point. And the reason they'd be able to get away with stealing your Pokémon now as opposed to then is that at this point the main character is all relaxing and stuff because Team Plasma's gone.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 19, February, 2012, 06:24:21 AM
You begin the game with your party, player character, and name from your transfer data of the previous game (or some of their canon Pokémon from their Battle Subway + their member of the Tao Trio (Zekrom in White 2, or Reshiram in Black 2), if you don't use transfer data). At the game's start, you start off in a battle against a random trainer, which you promptly own. Then Team Plasma shows up and steals all your Pokémon before you can react. Rushing to the Pokémon centre to grab out new Pokémon, you discover that somehow, your Pokémon are all missing from there, too. This forces you to go to Professor Juniper's lab to get a second starter Pokémon. Then you go off to defeat Plasma Grunts and get your Pokémon back, in order from weakest to strongest, while working to find out how on earth Plasma could have returned already.
If you could get your pokemon back from Team Plasma, then BW2 should be unable to trade with BW1, or at least with
your own BW1 cart, to prevent people from cloning pokemon.
I'd imagine if they did do that, all the pokémon in the BW1 game would be transferred before you start BW2 apart from one or two so you can keep playing. Which would certainly save time in their equivalent of the Pal Park, but it wouldn't really work unless they divided them up somehow.
I thought when Jamie said "transfer data" what would be transferred would be... data, only. If you transferred the pokemon themselves they would be unavailable to you until you got'em back. Personally, I think this would be very annoying, in the case you wanted to use them for anything other than in-game gameplay (battles, trades, etc.).
Well, a different player character has been confirmed. The game starts in the southwest of the region in a previously inaccessible city, and it seems likely that there'll be eight new gyms to fight through, with the original eight as post-league content.
So, what does everyone think of Pokémon X and Y so far? What's your favourite starter? (Mine's Chespin! I hope it gets Pin Missile and Rollout, heh.) Which of the legendaries do you prefer? (Yveltal is awesome!)
Personally, I'm liking the part where the MC gets roller skates. They're probably replacing the bike with them, because the bike would be a pain to animate in 3D, what with all the turn angles and stuff.
Moves used in the trailer (from what I can tell):
SolarBeam and Night Slash used by Chespin.
Probably either Ember or Flamethrower, then something that's either Confusion or Psywave, used by Fennekin.
Water Gun and what looks like maybe Close Combat used by Froakie.
Aura Sphere used by Mienfoo.
Inferno used by Litwick. (Burn, Psyduck, BURN!!!)
Wish used by Audino.
It looked like Cross Chop and maybe Faint Attack to me, rather than Night Slash and Close Combat...
Can't be Cross Chop. It was attacking a Golurk. So unless Chespin has Scrappy as its ability, Cross Chop is right out. The other move used by Froakie could be Faint Attack, though. I was just sort of guessing it would probably be a Fighting-type move, is all.
Ah, I hadn't even thought of that...
'Course, it could also be Aerial Ace, except that Aerial Ace is two slashes in opposite directions, the first of which is a feint and doesn't actually connect, and the slashes probably wouldn't be dark purple if that were the case. Also, the background in Aerial Ace also contains bands of green, blue, and yellow, which weren't shown in the trailer.
You would know its Gen VI animation... how, exactly?
I don't. I'm just guessing. Just like I was guessing that the move might also be Night Slash or Shadow Claw.
But the other two you have a means of guessing - aerial ace has no such thing. Many animations change quite a lot between games, such a Fly - it looks like a flying bird in Gen IV, but just some derpy dropping orb in Gen V. I'm just saying that it may look different than in past games, and not to use them too much as a gauge.
true the move animations do change alot. But another thing to remember, this is trailer footage it was most certainlly a beta of the game, explaining why a golurk could be hurt by fight types i.e they didnt fix that yet. I would like it if the starters had a sort of reverse triangle with the secondary types chespin would be the dark type and froakie the fight with fenniken phsycic but it seems unlikely then agian move types dont always match the pokemon so it could be the moves they used will be learned through tm's.
Night Slash looks significantly different from Gen IV to Gen V as well. Aerial Ace, however, has been roughly the same since Gen IV, with the exception of the background added in Black 2 and White 2 for the sake of associating it with Braviary.
Also, because this is a new Gen, there's always the chance that they rebalance the types. Remember Gen I → Gen II? There's always the chance that some types get tweaked, and new ones may show up.
If they rebalance the types, Ice resisting something besides Ice would be nice. Also, my favourite is Fennekin, though I do have a weakness for canine pokemon.
I've heard strange rumours about them introducing a new type. They haven't done that since Gen II, though, so I'm a little iffy on that.
if they are going to add new types my bet is on sound types chatot, jigglypuff, whismur vibrava, there might be more icant remember should be changed, heck theres already the soundproof ability and sound based moves(sing, sonic boom)
also if you think about the two legendarys Yvern(not actuall name just going to call it that until one is given) is obviously dark or ghost and the gem things on Xcaliber(same here) kind of glow making me think light type is anpouther possibility
But they also have Fang type and Punch type moves, and abilities that boost those respective move types. I think that those aren't really types, but rather attack styles.
On an unrelated note, Zap Cannon should be a TM again, along with DynamicPunch and Inferno. I also think that Hydro Pump and Hurricane should be TMs. Also, many of the Gen V TMs need to be learned by more Pokémon, especially the more finickity ones like Struggle Bug or Frost Breath. Struggle Bug in particular is basically useless because it's learned only by Pokémon who get STAB from it and/or aren't any good for tanking anyway. And really, who wants to be taking up their STAB slot with a 30 base power attack?
I hear you there. Who knows, though - they may buff it. They did so with Tackle, after all. Of course, that made Cut useless...
Cut 'Cut' out. Please. It has to go. Sorry that I can't contribute much to the moves discussion. I just work with what I got. I'm semi-competitive, by the way.
Anywho, I'm excited for the new games. I'm probably going to get X, but my boyfriend wants to team up with me, so... I need to coordinate with him on what game to get. Chespin is my starter of choice. It looks like it has a hat, AND it's the first grass starter that isn't based off of a reptile. That's just... special to me. :heart:
I think that HM effects should have a separate category altogether. Like, say...
Four Attack moves
Four Field moves
If you learn an attack move that has a field effect, it's automatically inserted into the field moves category (like Dig). When you boot up an HM, you get the option of either it being an Attack Move or only a field move. This way Flash can return to being an HM, yet still be useful.
Another option would be for gym badges to just let any pokémon who can learn the move use it in the field, like beating a the first gym allows you to Cut in the field as long as one of your pokémon is capable of learning the move, without having to waste one of your moves slots on a HM you only use to get a few items and shortcuts.
Honestly, before they do anything radical like that, the most obvious fix is simply to let Pokémon forget HM moves the same way they would any other move. Since TMs aren't single use anymore and HMs haven't been since first gen, there's no reason for them not to do that. It's not like you can get stuck by forgetting an HM move and not being able to learn it again, after all.
Well, the method I suggested is meant to imply that. What makes the HM an HM instead of a TM is that you can have it only be a field move instead of it having to be an attack move - a TM that has field use, on the other hand, takes up an attack slot (if there are no open field slots, you can choose if you want to delete one).
But seriously... Flash, but without the horrible attack move. Useful. As. Hell.
Flash could potentially be very useful in a battle, since it now has 100% accuracy. BrightPowder, Double Team x6, Mean Look, Flash x6, anyone? Plus Thunder Wave and/or Confuse Ray and/or Attract. Oh-hohohoho! *evil laugh*
I could see your point if it lowered accuracy by two stages, but the way I see it now is that it just feels like sand attack to me. Double Team at least works against a team, but...
That's because it IS a Sand-attack clone. But it's learned by more Pokémon than Sand-attack is, on account of being a TM, and at the very least its not Kinesis. (Like Flash and Sand-attack, but with only 85% accuracy.)
Alright, I was directed to this thread by Misery, and I admit, I have not played Pokemon X/Y, but from what I have seen, I do not think it is worth it, especially since every new pokemon game after Gen 2 started go downhill, in my opinion. Ruby,Emerald, and Sapphire were good, it was interesting to see the new graphical style, however, most of the pokemon designs did not sit right with me. Diamond&Pearl, was... well, ok, but did not change much in the way of gameplay, or graphics. Besides that, it sufferes from the same problem as Ruby, Heartgold&Soulsilver are awesome, it is a remake of my favorite pokemon game, Crystal. Black and White... it was just sad, I did not play much of it, and my brother seems to like it very much, The pokemon were horrible, ((EX: A trash bag pokemon, What were they thinking.)), and the graphics were not much better then Diamond&Pearl, and I hate the way they introduced 3-D into it. Pokemon X/Y looks to me like it will suffer from the same problems. ((Besides the point, I hate the 3ds and anything related to it))
Quote from: Silverpine on 22, January, 2013, 04:06:11 AM
Cut 'Cut' out. Please. It has to go.
What's wrong with cut
@OmegaMinion: Diamond and Pearl actually introduced a very important gameplay change by way of the physical/special split. This makes the mechanics behind the battles vastly more intuitive, as well as better-balanced overall with some exceptions. (Poor Sceptile...) And I like how Heartgold and Soulsilver are automatically awesome despite having all the same problems as Diamond and Pearl in that regard.
"EX: A trash bag pokemon. What were they thinking."
I'm sorry, but what does Grimer look like to you? What about Mr. Mime? Jynx? Magnemite? Voltorb? Gens I and II are not without their own faults in regards to Pokémon. Likewise, Gen V has its own share of cool Pokémon as well. Bisharp, Golurk, Braviary, Hydreigon, Snivy, Dewott, and Archeops, to name a few.
3rd Gen had quite a few Pokémon that were just "meh", but it also had some cooler designs, such as Mightyena, Kyogre, and the Eon duo. I personally like Gardevoir as well (and not for furry reasons or anything), but that one's rather iffy from the general fandom perspective.
Pokémon Black and White are well-liked for their story, which is also one of my favourite features of Pokémon Emerald and Pokémon Platinum.
Why do you hate the 3DS so much? Personally, I think the Circle Pad is a great control mechanism, even if it is stolen from the PSP, and the amount of games that are available via download as well as in-store is a great plus, as well.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 06, March, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
@OmegaMinion: Diamond and Pearl actually introduced a very important gameplay change by way of the physical/special split. This makes the mechanics behind the battles vastly more intuitive, as well as better-balanced overall with some exceptions. (Poor Sceptile...) And I like how Heartgold and Soulsilver are automatically awesome despite having all the same problems as Diamond and Pearl in that regard.
"EX: A trash bag pokemon. What were they thinking."
I'm sorry, but what does Grimer look like to you? What about Mr. Mime? Jynx? Magnemite? Voltorb? Gens I and II are not without their own faults in regards to Pokémon. Likewise, Gen V has its own share of cool Pokémon as well. Bisharp, Golurk, Braviary, Hydreigon, Snivy, Dewott, and Archeops, to name a few.
3rd Gen had quite a few Pokémon that were just "meh", but it also had some cooler designs, such as Mightyena, Kyogre, and the Eon duo. I personally like Gardevoir as well (and not for furry reasons or anything), but that one's rather iffy from the general fandom perspective.
Pokémon Black and White are well-liked for their story, which is also one of my favourite features of Pokémon Emerald and Pokémon Platinum.
Why do you hate the 3DS so much? Personally, I think the Circle Pad is a great control mechanism, even if it is stolen from the PSP, and the amount of games that are available via download as well as in-store is a great plus, as well.
On the topic of the pokemon you listed, Two of them I hate, Namely, Mr.Mime, And Jinx. As for the problems with Gen II, I never said they are perfect, or even flawless. For example, Clefable, and it's evolution.
Now hold on, let me catch my breath, you think Gen V had any pokemon that are even passable?
... If I were to get into detail with how much I hate the 3-ds, I would he spending an hour on this post, Do not make me do that, Please.
I do indeed believe that Gen V has a number of Pokémon that are cute and/or cool. Personally, I kind of like Mienfoo, and Axew is cute as well. Tirtouga's evolution (whose name I don't remember) isn't bad either in terms of appearance.
Also, if you hate Trubbish's evolutionary line so much, why is it then that you do not also hate Grimer, Magnemite, and Voltorb? What about Koffing and Weezing? It is the exact same thing. In regards to Mr. Mime and Jynx, I also raise you Lickitung, Magmar, and Electabuzz.
And, um... Clefable's evolution? Forgive me for pointing out that Clefable is the fully evolved version.
And again, I'll say that simply stating that you hate something proves nothing without logical argument. I did not ask to hear how much you hate the 3DS, only why you hate it.
@Omega: You mostly bring up the graphics and monster designs... there were always those you just didn't want to look at, to pretend they didn't exist. It's easy enough to do so - just don't use them. I personally feel that there's a lot more to the games than the monster designs, even if part of the experience kind of does hinge on them. The fifth gen IMO has a lot more bad ones than good ones, even if they also introduced a few personal favorites of mine... but I think the biggest blow is not being able to access the old crew until the game is practically over. Regardless, ditching the games on that basis alone is something I would consider a mistake.
@Jamie: You can't really argue for opinions, but I think I get what you're trying to say. I'd like to know too - what
aspects of the game Omega doesn't like (the designs from what I can tell so far).
Keep in mind we're not trying to decide if Pokémon is good or bad, that's entirely up to personal preference. The only thing that can be said for a fact is that the franchise has been ridiculously successful.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 07, March, 2013, 09:45:45 AMAlso, if you hate Trubbish's evolutionary line so much, why is it then that you do not also hate Grimer, Magnemite, and Voltorb? What about Koffing and Weezing?
Maybe because they look pretty cool and don't have that derp face. It's only really Electrode that looks kind of funny.
Quote from: JamietheFlameUser on 07, March, 2013, 09:45:45 AM
And, um... Clefable's evolution? Forgive me for pointing out that Clefable is the fully evolved version.
Gonna jump in here and say that since this is the case, I think it's pretty safe to assume he meant Clefairy, and that you shouldn't nitpick so much.
Quote from: Ixion on 06, March, 2013, 04:40:17 PM
What's wrong with cut
Worthless "key" type move that takes a up a move slot and can't be removed freely. I didn't notice it being used very much in the later parts of the more recent games though.
Thank you, Misery, you have saved me from yelling Ranting typing at him some more.
And hold on, Cut? I see nothing wrong with cut. It is actually useful, provided you are fighting pokemon with at least 30 under your level.
Quote from: Ixion on 06, March, 2013, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: Silverpine on 22, January, 2013, 04:06:11 AM
Cut 'Cut' out. Please. It has to go.
What's wrong with cut
As of Gen V:
It's tackle, but with less accuracy, no added benefits (compared to slash and similar), and cannot be removed. Why not just make it so that slash-type moves act as cut out of battle and call it a day? Instead of cut, have one of those (maybe slash itself) just be an early TM, make it so that TMs cannot be dropped or sold, and create a key item for emergency escapes back to home (possibly at the cost of money, to prevent people from relying too much on it). There, cut problem solved, in one of many different ways (other ways include making a separate movelist just for field effects).
At the very least, you could make it possible to forget HM moves at will. And Cut could be given a slight power increase and an increased crit chance, which would at least give some benefit to actually using it early on.
Wait. I though HMs could be deleted, TMs cannot, becasue they are only one use.
TMs are multi-use in Gen V. Also, it's always been possible to overwrite a TM move, even if that's your only use of that TM. But HMs cannot be forgotten except by going to the Move Deleter, making them incredibly irritating, especially since they're typically fairly weak in combat.
Except in Gen I and maybe II, where there wasn't a move deleter. You learned it permanently.
In Gen I, the reason for that was that HMs were also single-use. Once you used an HM, that Pokémon was the only one on your team who could ever use it.
Um, no? TMs were single use, HM were not - they were infinite. The reason you couldn't unlearn them was to make sure the player couldn't get stuck by using a field move, replacing it with something else, save, restart, and now you're stuck and can't get out and have to start over.
That wouldn't get you stuck, though, unless the Pokémon somehow lost the ability to re-learn the HM. Turns out that HMs aren't single-use in Gen I as I had thought, however.
I stopped watching the anime near the beginning of Sinnoh.
I hear that the anime got a major boost in quality since the latest 3DS game.
I stopped watching the Pokemon anime after Hoenn.
And the last Pokemon game I played was Platinum.
Yeah.
I stopped watching when Johto(?) started, and the *only* Pokemon game I played was Diamond.
I do not get the appeal.
[spoiler=Pokemon Grass Starter]CUTE OWL BUTLER, AAAH![/spoiler]
So yeah, what does everyone think of the new starters?
Look at attachments.
I recently started playing a hack of PKMN White 2.
I haven't looked at Sun and Moon. That is also unlikely to happen in the future.
BANANA - We know your cute self is hiding in that attachment. Come out you silly you. Don't be shy! :D
[spoiler](http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/b/bf/152Chikorita.png)[/spoiler] Is this the one? No wait. he might be tricking me and disguising himself again... (This was found randomly after searching "grass starter pokemon"...)
[Picture of the REAL one goes here? - Is it Rowlet?][spoiler](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/f/ff/Rowlet.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20160510143944)[/spoiler]
Honestly... I didn't know there was a such thing as Pokemon Sun/Moon until I read your (Luna_Blade's) post. But it's no surprise since I don't really see myself as much of a Pokemon fan. (Sorry.)
Quote from: Fox on 12, May, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
BANANA - We know your cute self is hiding in that attachment. Come out you silly you. Don't be shy! :D
You didn´t address me here, I suppose?
Kind of coincidence, because that pokemon is my favourite.
Quote from: Fox on 12, May, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
[Picture of the REAL one goes here? - Is it Rowlet?]
Honestly... I didn't know there was a such thing as Pokemon Sun/Moon until I read your (Luna_Blade's) post. But it's no surprise since I don't really see myself as much of a Pokemon fan. (Sorry.)
There is a Pokemon hack called Golden Sun.
No sorry there I think. This is a GS forum after all.
Quote from: Fox on 12, May, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
BANANA - We know your cute self is hiding in that attachment. Come out you silly you. Don't be shy! :D
[spoiler](http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/b/bf/152Chikorita.png)[/spoiler] Is this the one? No wait. he might be tricking me and disguising himself again... (This was found randomly after searching "grass starter pokemon"...)
Nope nope nope.
My prefered is pokemon gold indeed. But I never took the grass Pokemon. Never. Always water or fire.
Quote from: Luna_blade on 12, May, 2016, 04:36:57 AM
Quote from: Fox on 12, May, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
BANANA - We know your cute self is hiding in that attachment. Come out you silly you. Don't be shy! :D
You didn´t address me here, I suppose?
Kind of coincidence, because that pokemon is my favourite.
Quote from: Fox on 12, May, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
[Picture of the REAL one goes here? - Is it Rowlet?]
Honestly... I didn't know there was a such thing as Pokemon Sun/Moon until I read your (Luna_Blade's) post. But it's no surprise since I don't really see myself as much of a Pokemon fan. (Sorry.)
There is a Pokemon hack called Golden Sun.
No sorry there I think. This is a GS forum after all.
I certainly hope you're talking about Charon's Pokemon Jupiter Version hack instead of GS proper. All of GS' comparisons to mons games have been completely unfounded to me, since Djinn act more like equipment than they do mons. Too much of a mechanical disconnect there, to say nothing of the significantly different place they have in the story.
Yeah, Rowlet is adorable. I'm totally going to choose it as my starter of its evolutions hold up, which would pretty much break my tradition of always choosing the water starter and getting the others later.
[You didn´t address me here, I suppose?]
That was talking about dive's attachment.
[No sorry there I think. This is a GS forum after all.]
That is okay. (If I wanted Pokemon, I could have simply looked to say... Pokecommunity, or something similar.)
[But I never took the grass Pokemon. Never. Always water or fire.]
Okay... But the point/joke was that Rowlet is small.... and took a liking to you. :P (Or something like that.)
[Kind of coincidence, because that pokemon is my favourite.]
Unless maybe.... maybe Luna_Blade took him, dressed him up... and then he went off wandering away. :D Silly thought....
Yeah Rowlet's pretty great. Personally I hope its final evolution has a top hat, a monocle, and a cane that it wields like a bo staff to beat the stuffing out of foes like a true gentleman.
I meant this hack.
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1713/ (http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1713/)
Oh. That's much less clever of a reference. You should look up what Charon did - it's pretty nifty.
@Jupiter: Speaking of, I probably should look it up again. One thing I remember about it right now, is that there was some (enemy character?) named Rachel... which I guess was a reference to herself. (Forgot if she, in the game, was Jupiter based?)
I might also remember an intro sequence? Probably should check to make sure. ( If there's a long mountainous area, then I should remember... *Looks up* Yeah, it's mountainous. :) )
(It wouldn't surprise me if it was year 2009 that I heard about that hack?? - Seems the project was there in 2008, so it is possible.)
Ivan is the main character? Sort of forgot about that, but now it sounds very familiar.
[spoiler]it genuinely makes me pissed that the gaming press is bitching about pikipek's leaked evolution:
(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7298329/Screen_Shot_2016-10-18_at_10.30.04_AM.0.png)
do you idiots not realize that toucans and woodpeckers are in the same biological order of birds and that toucans evolved from woodpeckers
I'm not feeling it with the midstage evolution but tbh I don't know how I would design that either lol
its not a bad design it just means you're stupid and ken sugimori knows more about biology than you do
[/spoiler]
I love all the birds in Sun/Moon this time, appreciate that there's 3 this time instead of just 2 like last gen lol.
[spoiler=Birds]I absolutely love the toucan, but that woodpecker honestly feels like an awkward middle stage between a cute bird and an awesome bird.[/spoiler]
Also, does anyone hope that they add more alternate forms than what are known? [spoiler=Forms]Like Alolan Gen 2+ forms, since it's starting to look like only Kanto Pokemon are getting this special treatment.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Kanto pokemon always get special treatment because of the @#$%&*! Genwunners. No love for Gen II or III, for me :([/spoiler]
[spoiler]I know, right? Could you imagine Alolan Pineco or Slugma or something? Oh well, it is what it is; maybe there will be more forms later on.
Marshadow is really cute at least.[/spoiler]