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Title: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 07, June, 2010, 10:14:50 PM
I'll leave it up to you guys.  I'll post my four favorite Djinni that haven't been used yet, and all you need to do is pick one.  Whichever one wins I'll give permission for you guys to use in hacks.

The whole idea quotient, anyways.

Meet them!

:VenusDjinni: (Ceres) - "Hiya!  Nice to meet you!"
Description: 'Grow the blessed and cursed crop of Sol's grain.'

:MarsDjinni: (Vulcan) - "Hey.  I'm not great with introductions, so...hi."
Description: 'Strike first and strike fast.'

:JupiterDjinni: (Undulate) - "Welcome.  Please choose me."
Description: 'Approach mysteriously with a killer smile and blade.'

:MercuryDjinni: (Rusticle) - *bows* "Thanks for coming!"
Description: 'Stab through the enemy's heart of victory.'


I'll be back later with a bit more information~

(The description is the area where it describes what a Djinni does, for those new to the series.  Flint's description is "Strike a blow that can cleave stone", while Echo's is "Attack with a double strike".  It usually gives hints to how the attack is executed.)

Edit: Oh, one more thing.  Each of them does something that's doable within the engine, but hasn't been done yet in the series or with any of my other Djinni.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: leaf on 07, June, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: thenightsshadow on 07, June, 2010, 10:14:50 PM
:JupiterDjinni: (Undulate) - "Welcome.  Please choose me."
Description: 'Approach mysteriously with a killer smile and blade.'
That sounds beautifully sadistic.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 07, June, 2010, 10:40:25 PM
Hmm... The diety based ones are better suited for summons, so Ceres (goddess of harvest) and Vulcan (god of... uh, fire, I think...) are out.  I'll go with Rusticle for now, I suppose.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, June, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
Yeah, I vote for Rusticle as well (though the name is a combination of rust and icicle, making it sound a bit strange).

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 07, June, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
Where the names come from:

Ceres - Yes, it is the name of the goddess of grain in Roman mythology.  What it won't tell you (and some oldtimer Italians will) is that the grain grown out of season (in this case, Spring), is also called Ceres.  It's this latter Ceres I refer to.

Vulcan - The origin of the word volcano is indeed the Roman god of fire, but again, I'm referring to the type of gun that was first used to fire incendiary rounds.  (Nowadays, most guns can fire incendiary rounds, but vulcans were one of the first, if not the first.)

Undulate - This is pretty straightforward; the movement of kinetic energy.  If you were to follow it physically, it could move straight, or wave-like, or circular-like; it depends on how the energy is made and transferred.

Rusticle - An actual term.  Instead of an icicle that has rusted, it actually is wrought iron that rusted.  It's also the term for a stranded icicle that hasn't touched water before being coated with metal flecks, either via shipwreck (and subsequent water freezings) or standard scientific explosions.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Salanewt on 07, June, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
Quote from: thenightsshadow on 07, June, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
Where the names come from:

Ceres - Yes, it is the name of the goddess of grain in Roman mythology.  What it won't tell you (and some oldtimer Italians will) is that the grain grown out of season (in this case, Spring), is also called Ceres.  It's this latter Ceres I refer to.

Vulcan - The origin of the word volcano is indeed the Roman god of fire, but again, I'm referring to the type of gun that was first used to fire incendiary rounds.  (Nowadays, most guns can fire incendiary rounds, but vulcans were one of the first, if not the first.)

Undulate - This is pretty straightforward; the movement of kinetic energy.  If you were to follow it physically, it could move straight, or wave-like, or circular-like; it depends on how the energy is made and transferred.

Rusticle - An actual term.  Instead of an icicle that has rusted, it actually is wrought iron that rusted.  It's also the term for a stranded icicle that hasn't touched water before being coated with metal flecks, either via shipwreck (and subsequent water freezings) or standard scientific explosions.

Ceres: The grain isn't bad.

Vulcan: Not much of a gun-guy, so I wouldn't have known otherwise. I thought you were referencing Star Trek though.

Undulate: Makes sense, and in a way makes it related to Hover.

Rusticle: Oh yeah. Of course, I usually associate metal and rust as being with Venus, a chemical reaction in the metal causes rust. Why include terminology for metal in a name for a water djinni though? Cool name, but I would have just used something like Icicle, since associating it with metal flakes (even though it does happen in real life) sounds like it should be multi-elemental instead of Mercury.

I still vote for Rusty though.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 08, June, 2010, 07:37:38 AM
Topic changed, eh?  So what clan...

Your Sempai officially drags you into Jupiter.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 08, June, 2010, 08:07:18 AM
If I weren't already an Admin, I would sign up to be a Jupiter Adept. I actually added a rank in my profile as "Sorcerer" because I wanted to be part Jupe.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 08, June, 2010, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: Role on 08, June, 2010, 07:37:38 AM
Topic changed, eh?  So what clan...

Your Sempai officially drags you into Jupiter.

Unyu~
That topic WAS the topic.  I never changed it; you probably didn't notice it the first time.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: leaf on 08, June, 2010, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: Corvidae on 08, June, 2010, 08:07:18 AM
If I weren't already an Admin, I would sign up to be a Jupiter Adept. I actually added a rank in my profile as "Sorcerer" because I wanted to be part Jupe.
You can always be an honorary jupiter adept, charon~

Sorta like how jamie is an honorary venus adept~

And TNS needs to join jupiter already~

Tildes are fun~

Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Hoopa on 08, June, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
I choose undulate. Approaching mysteriously with a killer smile and blade... that just sounds awesome!
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 08, June, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: thenightsshadow on 08, June, 2010, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: Role on 08, June, 2010, 07:37:38 AM
Topic changed, eh?  So what clan...

Your Sempai officially drags you into Jupiter.

Unyu~
That topic WAS the topic.  I never changed it; you probably didn't notice it the first time.
The topic name and the content within the topic itself are two entirely different things.  Therefore I have answered both.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 09, June, 2010, 12:14:45 AM
Time to drop a little more hints about what they can do.

Besides Ceres, all of them are damaging djinni.
Besides Vulcan, all of their abilities have been done before in their element.
Besides Undulate, all of them will do the same thing each time.
Besides Rusticle, all of them have to do with offense.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 09, June, 2010, 12:20:10 AM
Wait, Rusticle, whose description says "stab through the enemy's heart of victory", is not related to offence? Despite the "stab through" bit?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 09, June, 2010, 02:21:09 AM
Well, if you read the "Besides Ceres" thing, you'll know that Rusticle is a damaging djinni.
What I will say is that it not being "offense" is very slight.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: BlazingPhoenix on 10, June, 2010, 12:24:05 AM
Mercury or Mars..I can't decide.  :sad:
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 10, June, 2010, 12:26:03 AM
Jupiter is clearly the better of the two.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: BlazingPhoenix on 10, June, 2010, 12:29:01 AM
Maybe. If you just like killing people when they're not looking. XD
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 10, June, 2010, 01:17:51 AM
Currently we're fighting off an invasion of chip-eating djinn to save the crops and our people from starvation.

We're also getting ready to wage war on Corvidae for trying to circumvent our right to vote.  After voting me into office for this month, Corvidae tried to claim it "didn't count", and that's got us pretty upset, because if they can do that to us this month, then they can claim that every month if they want to, and to any clan.  So we're currently fighting Corvidae for our right to vote.

RAW RAW FIGHT THE POWER!

But other than that... it's just mostly spam and chit-chat, like in the others.  No reason to kill people, just the plague of chip-eating djinn that the Venus Clan created.  We have to save our people from starvation.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 10, June, 2010, 01:03:56 PM
Fine. Fine. Have it your f#$%ing way. I've upgraded your status, but I will make it ABUNDANTLY clear how the next nominations will go. I am in charge, I am the one who calls the shots, so don't piss around with me anymore.

I have deleted all of the argument posts, if anyone is wondering.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Aile~♥ on 10, June, 2010, 01:52:59 PM
Role, that is completely unnecessary. Charon, that is completely unnecessary. Stop arguing, both of you. Please?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 10, June, 2010, 06:02:33 PM
Hey, I'm not the one who started it.  If you'll kindly notice, most of my post were lighthearted and pretty much JOKING in nature until Charon started to get all serious about it.  Then I actually because scared that it was something I really did have to fight.

It's not my fault that the two of you have no sense of humor. >_>
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 11, June, 2010, 01:55:18 AM
Some more information.

Each of them are the initial partner of their respective characters.

Djinni:
One of them doesn't belong to an adept.
One of them isn't alone.
One of them made her partner bankrupt.
One of them is buyable for 99,999 coins (not sure how to program this in, yet).
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 11, June, 2010, 03:31:56 AM
The buyable one is easy.  Just have an NPC who's selling the creature for the money.  If they have the money and say yes, they make Reply A and Djinni get.  If they have the money and say no, Reply B.  If they don't have the money and say yes, Reply C.  If they don't have the money and say no, Reply D.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 11, June, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
I'm sorry Role, but since it comes with Moderation capabilities I have to take it seriously. I did add a little field on the profile that allows you to establish positions in the Clan governments though.
Quote from: thenightsshadow on 11, June, 2010, 01:55:18 AM
Some more information.

Each of them are the initial partner of their respective characters.

Djinni:
One of them doesn't belong to an adept.
One of them isn't alone.
One of them made her partner bankrupt.
One of them is buyable for 99,999 coins (not sure how to program this in, yet).
Hrm, you want us to implement this into the fourms? Sounds kind of a good idea, but I wonder how we should calibrate the money system.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 11, June, 2010, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Corvidae on 11, June, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
I'm sorry Role, but since it comes with Moderation capabilities I have to take it seriously. I did add a little field on the profile that allows you to establish positions in the Clan governments though.
Yeah... we really didn't know about the actual mod position.  Thus we were having fun with it, turning it into a little mini event, humor and everything.  Would have been cool if you'd just played back, though, y'know?

Also, they're talking about implementing it into the games, however...

How would we get djinni in the first place?  What point would there be to the actual monetary system?  It better not be done by post count, because that'd just encourage spam.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 11, June, 2010, 09:37:59 AM
Some systems use time logged on instead of post count. For example, you get 1 coin per minute logged on or something.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, June, 2010, 11:36:51 AM
Funny you should mention that, I was about to suggest a monetary system based on time logged in. Would it be possible to impose minor taxes as well, or would we have to do without them?

Also, I would keep Rusticle Thenightsshadow.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 11, June, 2010, 11:47:57 AM
I vote for a rewards based system.  The more you contribute to the forum in a positive manner, the more money you make.  This means making good, quality posts and being awarded by others for it.  There'd be a limit of one per post, a prohibition of clans rewarding their own members to prevent abuse, and the ability for the admin to revoke not only unjust rewards, but the rewarding priviledges of someone who's just going around rewarding any post.

For posts that are just the opposite, you receive fines.  Posts that result in moderation will result in a 50% drop of all your coins, in suspension or banishment a 100% drop.  Other than that, it'll be up to the admin.  If someone were to go and make a bunch of joke posts in the community hack planning threads, for example, they'd get heavily fined.

Posts that are fined cannot be rewarded, but posts that have been rewarded CAN be fined (the reward will also be revoked as well).

It'd be similar to the Karma system, but a little more complex.  There'd also be a way to spend money, but how... I've not figured out yet.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 11, June, 2010, 12:55:44 PM
So it's more based on Karma? Interesting. But I think some people may end up abusing the feature. If they didn't though it would probably work the best of the three.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 11, June, 2010, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: Role on 11, June, 2010, 03:31:56 AM
The buyable one is easy.  Just have an NPC who's selling the creature for the money.  If they have the money and say yes, they make Reply A and Djinni get.  If they have the money and say no, Reply B.  If they don't have the money and say yes, Reply C.  If they don't have the money and say no, Reply D.

Oh, okay.  Just need to have the store NPCs making sure that there isn't any buying going on, since said character will be starting off inside a city and will have to fight for the last few gold coins.

Quote from: Corvidae on 11, June, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
Quote from: thenightsshadow on 11, June, 2010, 01:55:18 AM
Some more information.

Each of them are the initial partner of their respective characters.

Djinni:
One of them doesn't belong to an adept.
One of them isn't alone.
One of them made her partner bankrupt.
One of them is buyable for 99,999 coins (not sure how to program this in, yet).
Hrm, you want us to implement this into the fourms? Sounds kind of a good idea, but I wonder how we should calibrate the money system.

Sounds interesting (though I was talking about my new hack).  If you want, I can make/release quite a number of djinni for each adept type that haven't been used ever, and then perhaps using these djinni in a leveling system, there can be friendly wars within the guilds.

Of course, in order to earn coins, it should be via activity.  I'm thinking around 10 coins per post, 20 coins per started post, x1.5 that amount in their respective guild forums, and 1 coin per hour online.  What do you think?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Mastermind on 11, June, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
How does the Karma system work, really?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 11, June, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
No, don't do that, TNS.  That's like putting in an easy mode.  Let them find out the hard way.

@Charon:  Uhh... that's why I put the restrictions in place.  Only those whom are clanned can actually gain Coins (thus encouraging membership), only those of a DIFFERENT clan can reward (so they have to be either clanless, admin, or not of the same clan as the poster), only the admin can fine (to prevent abuse), and the admin have the ability to not only negate a reward, but prevent people from handing out rewards as well.  I'd have said the GMs, too, but Jamie's proven himself untrustworthy already.

Like with what y'all did to Karma, make people give a reason behind their reward.  People should also have an option to alert the admin to a post that should be fined, but if they try to abuse it, they lose the ability to partake in the system.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Salanewt on 11, June, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
Yeah, TNS, you should give away very little money in the town, since you should have to earn it through other means, like battles.

Please don't do it entirely through Karma! Some income is good that way, but we simply do not have enough members to do it solely by Karma (it should be combined with something like being signed in, so for every hour, you can get five coins).

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 11, June, 2010, 05:16:43 PM
Of course, when I set those limits, I had the first buyable djinni at 50,000.

Anyways, besides that.
I'll be joining the Mercury Clan, and here's Rusticle's stats.


Name and Bonuses:
Rusticle - 14 HP, 5 PP, 2 AGL

Type of Djinni:
Attacking/Status Type

Description:
Stab through the enemy's heart of victory.

Targets:
One Enemy

Damage Dealt:
a 55 (for those who don't understand this, please consult your nearest FAQ)

Effect Description:
Remove all Buffs and Debuffs

Chance of Effect Happening:
100%



Enjoy~
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: MaxiPower on 12, June, 2010, 08:29:02 AM
Quote from: Salanewt on 11, June, 2010, 02:53:39 PM


(it should be combined with something like being signed in, so for every hour, you can get five coins).

Have a nice day.

We know who to come to when we need a loan then dont we? lol
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Salanewt on 12, June, 2010, 08:48:54 AM
Hehehe...

...

...

Anyway, I only suggested that because we have few active members as it is, and even fewer of them are unclanned. If we were to be awarded for time as well as Karma, it would be like awarding cash for coming here and preventing it from death, and then we are awarded (or punished with the Karma system) for good posts.

Or, a nice thing too would be to only use the Karma system for fines, so there is a 0% chance of anybody abusing it to gain money (and fines would be easy to understand anyway, so they would be easier to track). Well, it is up the admins of course, so...

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 12, June, 2010, 11:33:22 AM
The biggest problem with the Karma idea is that only moderators and above would be able to dole out the cash, but Atrius and I usually only go to certain sections, and Jamie isn't probably enough. We could possibly have people who are just assigned to giving out coins though, but they'd still have to be heavily moderated by Jamie, Atrius or I.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: MaxiPower on 12, June, 2010, 11:43:06 AM
best bet is if your logged in once per hour and not min you get a few coins... that way people like Sala will be rewarded for the time he spends here but not overallery rich... if people do get rewarded for being online, the site would be more active which is cool
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 12, June, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
Whatever system you wish to use, I'll be ready with the djinni in case you want 'em.

Actually, now that I think about it, is it possible to combine Role's Djinn Battle system with Clan Wars?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 12, June, 2010, 11:59:44 PM
Quote from: Corvidae on 12, June, 2010, 11:33:22 AM
The biggest problem with the Karma idea is that only moderators and above would be able to dole out the cash, but Atrius and I usually only go to certain sections, and Jamie isn't probably enough. We could possibly have people who are just assigned to giving out coins though, but they'd still have to be heavily moderated by Jamie, Atrius or I.

Nah, you'd just need to confirm it.  It's other members that dole it out - just not those of the same clan, to prevent abuse.

So I can't reward Leaf, but I can reward Sala, for example.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: thenightsshadow on 13, June, 2010, 01:32:59 AM
I'm not a fan of using Karma.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 13, June, 2010, 01:47:15 AM
I'm not a fan of using post counts or log time, as both are easily abusable.  What do you suggest?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Atrius on 13, June, 2010, 02:21:15 AM
*sigh*

Why are you turning this forum designed for cooperation toward a common goal into a place divided into competing factions?
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Rolina on 13, June, 2010, 03:00:26 AM
Competition breeds inspiration.  Would you rather have the big three (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) working together, or competing amongst one another?

If we compete for ideas for the hack, for example, it'll go farther than if everyone just feeds off of each other with similar ideas.  Give it some time - it may work in a beneficial nature.

Also, the main fighting thing?  That's all fun and games.  This gives us time to, well, pass the time while we continue to wait for an update to the editor.
Title: Re: I wonder, what clan should I join?
Post by: Charon on 14, June, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
...But aren't we working together on the same project? That'd be like Nintendo falling apart into 4 different opposing sections while working on a new game because one guy wanted Mario and another wanted Luigi, not like Nintendo in the market against Sony and Microsoft.

I honestly put up the clans for people to have some sort of affiliation, regardless of whether or not they want to be peaceful. I won't stop you guys from having wars, but please keep the "hatred" off the rest of the forum. We are a team after all.

Regardless, the purchase system... I still think getting money should be similar to getting Karma - but seriously, none of the mods or the admins actually read every single post on this forum (that's why we encourage the use of the report button), but at the same time someone could just give their friend coins every hour or whatever just because they're your friend. Even though I added the "Karma Comments" section to prevent this (which allows me to view every Karma comment as well, as well as delete Karma posts), I still think it could be taken advantage of.

Post count? Out of the question. Time spent online wouldn't be a bad alternative, although one could loiter just to gain coins. Maybe we could convert Karma into coins, and use it to buy stuff...

I don't know if you guys know this, but there's a special profile field that only Admins can change called "Emblems". Perhaps we could add another for items, Djinn ect. without making a completely new system. The big disadvantage would be that it would be all done manually though.

EDIT: I tested the custom profile fields, they can handle image tags. I'm thinking about allowing people to buy Equipment, Items, Djinn, Summons (requires Djinn though) and Badges (special items that are limited edition).