Discussion On Government

[Salanewt]

I also love how you completely ignored my comment about minimum wage.

And my question about what he said in an earlier post as well. I am really interesting in finding out exactly what he meant. Of course, he can have his opinion, but I am very interested in finding out exactly why being in Canada means that I do not know what hotter temperatures are like, especially since there is a chance that I live further south than he does (given what we know).

You (Jamie) and I have pretty much the same views, and I think that mine might actually be less humane than yours, something that I thought not possible. As such, I am not sure if there is much that I can comment on right now, aside from saying that we are in a mutual agreement about this stuff.

Little Britches,

This is actually interesting too, what do you think?

No. Thus, companies have to increase the amount you pay otherwise they get no workers.

But the part that you are missing is that companies can not pay whatever they want. The government sets a mandatory minimum anyway, which means that the government does indeed have some control over what people are paid.

Also, wasn't Lincoln assassinated a few centuries ago? Just because your government was like that in the past, does not mean that politicians have not changed. Most information from back then is pretty outdated in this age, just look at women's rights and the rights of non-caucasians. We also have the fact that the government of each nation is different than that of the US. In fact, talking about how things in the past were does little for this conversation because everything up until about 50 years ago (or even 30) is too outdated to be able to compare to how life is today. Yes, people could do this stuff for themselves, but it is at least 98% harder in this age because life has changed drastically.

Have a nice day.

[Menaus]

But the part that you are missing is that companies can not pay whatever they want. The government sets a mandatory minimum anyway, which means that the government does indeed have some control over what people are paid.

I KNOW this, but they don't have to have control.

Also, wasn't Lincoln assassinated a few centuries ago? Just because your government was like that in the past, does not mean that politicians have not changed. Most information from back then is pretty outdated in this age, just look at woman's rights and the rights of non-caucasians. We also have the fact that the government of each nation is different than that of the US. In fact, talking about how things in the past were does little for this conversation because everything up until about 50 years ago (or even 30) is too outdated to be able to compare to how life is today. Yes, people could do this stuff for themselves, but it is at least 98% harder in this age because life has changed drastically.

So your saying history has nothing to do with our lives? That there are no examples of things happening that are similar to whats happening now? What about the Roman Empire(formerly the Roman Republic)? What about the second time in history America was found(Nephite nation was founded the second time America was discovered, it was a Constitutional Republic like the USA). You need to know history, or you are doomed to repeat it, right now the USA and many other countries are repeating many mistakes that have been done in the passed.

Wait a second, you said everything is outdated then, yet they can do things that we can't? lol fail

[Aile~♥]

The government does have to have control. Think about China. The wages there are so bad that people can't live. Why is this? Because some income is better than no income at all, and the people are desperate. If you can keep the people desperate, you can pay them wages as low as you want, while keeping all the money for yourself. This is why we have minimum wage laws.

I realize that people can build homes and sew clothing for themselves, but that's not so easily done in today's society. Materials in today's society cost money, and going out and getting them yourself is not so easily done without other tools. For example, you can't cut trees for logs to make a house without a woodcutting axe or chainsaw or something similar. Problem being, making an axe requires stone and wood (though a random stick works fine in this situation). Then you have to carve the stone, which requires a chisel made of something harder than the stone you're trying to carve. So now you need iron. And so the process continues. Additionally, it's difficult to go get materials if you don't already have food and shelter. But in many cases, food and shelter both require tools. Tools you don't have because you're trying to make them. So except for a few especially hospitable environments, it's very difficult for people to get much of anything.

Hence, the government needs to provide for the people.

At this point in time, the only thing we can really learn from the past is politics. Most of the easy-to-access resources on our planet were used up a long time ago, hence why we rely on machinery.

[Menaus]

The government does have to have control.

Lol, I have nothing to say to this, maybe you will figure it out sooner or later.

Think about China. The wages there are so bad that people can't live. Why is this? Because some income is better than no income at all, and the people are desperate. If you can keep the people desperate, you can pay them wages as low as you want, while keeping all the money for yourself. This is why we have minimum wage laws.

I see your point, however the people in China have no idea of what real money is, they all get their money stolen from the government. Tell me, would someone in the US or Canada apply for a job that payed for less than minimum wage? I think I already know your answer. And let me make a note here: China has a communistic government, which is only one step up from socialism, and the almost everyone living there are slaves. think about that.

I realize that people can build homes and sew clothing for themselves, but that's not so easily done in today's society. Materials in today's society cost money, and going out and getting them yourself is not so easily done without other tools. For example, you can't cut trees for logs to make a house without a woodcutting axe or chainsaw or something similar. Problem being, making an axe requires stone and wood (though a random stick works fine in this situation). Then you have to carve the stone, which requires a chisel made of something harder than the stone you're trying to carve. So now you need iron. And so the process continues. Additionally, it's difficult to go get materials if you don't already have food and shelter. But in many cases, food and shelter both require tools. Tools you don't have because you're trying to make them. So except for a few especially hospitable environments, it's very difficult for people to get much of anything.

Than Jamie, how did the first people make it who didn't even have a house to start it? Not to mention only their own two hands.

Jamie, in today's society its so hard to get the materials you need because the GOVERNMENT doesn't let you. Mostly because of the dumb tree huggers who create the laws in the first place.

At this point in time, the only thing we can really learn from the past is politics.

Can you tell me why? Give me an example like I did when I said "know history or your doomed to repeat it"?

Most of the easy-to-access resources on our planet were used up a long time ago, hence why we rely on machinery.

Again, can you give me an example of this? I don't see any resource in our planet that has ceased to exist.