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« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2012, 09:22:30 PM »

Actually, Zman, you're wrong about the real life dev team thing.  It's actually just as effective, if not more so,  to NOT be in real life.  This is why:  In order for multiple people to work on the same project, especially at the same time, it requires multiple computers and file sharing.  While having someone right beside you is nice for talking about ideas, ultimately it's just as easy to do so in an instant messenger.  File sharing is easily enough done, and, done right, you can keep people from taking their own copies of the file and dragging away your work, thus preventing the "he stole my @#$%!" problem.  So, in this case, it would be more effective to form a team online as it's easier to find someone who could prove useful online than it is in real life.
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« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2012, 03:15:14 AM »

Zman, don't provoke people needlessly and spam at the end of your sentence.

Role, that language is uncalled for, as is the attitude.

If I have to say anything again, another warning will be issued.
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« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2012, 05:56:38 PM »

As much as we would all love to have an update on the editor, you can't really go up to your employers and say "hi, I'm taking the day off of work today to work on a program for some obscure forum that I run" to them. I'm sure that Atrius will come around sometime soon and give us a minor update or something, if he hasn't already seen this topic yet that is. At least we even have an editor, we could have been forced to rely on hex editors for the bulk of our editing needs.

Besides, you don't actually need to use one to make a hack - a bit of research in the right places could prove quite beneficial to said hack's development. It would be pretty unrealistic to rely on the editor for 100% of a hack's development. It helps a lot as it is, and it comes with so much as well - items, abilities, enemies, PC stuff, text, object/NPC editing, viewing capabilities for so much more, etc. Heck, it does more than several other editors that I have seen. I guess we should just wait patiently for Atrius to come around and say something or other, and then we will all be happy... Right?
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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2012, 01:21:52 AM »

As much as we would all love to have an update on the editor, you can't really go up to your employers and say "hi, I'm taking the day off of work today to work on a program for some obscure forum that I run" to them. I'm sure that Atrius will come around sometime soon and give us a minor update or something, if he hasn't already seen this topic yet that is. At least we even have an editor, we could have been forced to rely on hex editors for the bulk of our editing needs.

Besides, you don't actually need to use one to make a hack - a bit of research in the right places could prove quite beneficial to said hack's development. It would be pretty unrealistic to rely on the editor for 100% of a hack's development. It helps a lot as it is, and it comes with so much as well - items, abilities, enemies, PC stuff, text, object/NPC editing, viewing capabilities for so much more, etc. Heck, it does more than several other editors that I have seen. I guess we should just wait patiently for Atrius to come around and say something or other, and then we will all be happy... Right?
That only excuses 1 month delays.  He promised us smaller, more frequent updates, remember?

One thing at a time, that's all we need, not huge updates.  Hell, when we found out about the 10x multiplier thing, he could have taken it on and added that functionality to fix it.  It doesn't take 8 months to do something like that, no matter what your excuse.




This all boils down to this:  I'm sick and tired of planning.  I want to start testing.  To have visible results, not just editing freaking stats.  So I can change what people say and make the game harder/easier/stupidly strange, but big freaking deal.  It's still very clearly TLA, isn't it?  I can't tweak formulas, I can't import images, I'm even limited as to what I can do with the stats themselves.  Hell, the last update was barely even a thing!  I don't mind small updates so long as they're frequent, but this is... it's just...

For as much as I would love to do with the editor, it's an exercise in frustration just waiting and depending on a single person.
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« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2012, 02:40:05 AM »

@Zman, if you're having such a sh*t day, then don't POST. I've had bad days, posted/pmed what I normally wouldn't but still got my point across. Yours just seems like rage.

@Role, I haven't been here since 0.2 -> 0.3.. nor the part where he promised frequent updates (or maybe I wasn't looking at the forums.. its a more recent thing) but, they have a point when it comes down to releasing an update complete, rather then in pieces/very buggy. Off the top of my head, I'll guess on sprite swapping.. for example. If he released a buggy version of that, in which it didn't call forth the right images, etc, more people would complain. But, the community could help fix it, so I see your point very well.

@Atrius, Thanks for taking the editor to even v0.4, it would take me too long to even begin thinking of hacking a GBA game without a simplified tool like this.
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« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2012, 03:56:23 AM »

The frustration is understandable, it's all fair criticism.

Hmm... I've been thinking about this for a long time now, and I think I've finally made the decision.  It'll take me time to prepare a proper response, but it's coming, I'll try to have it up by the end of tomorrow.
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« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2012, 01:02:06 PM »

Yeah, I've been here since 0.1, so I've got a lot of time invested into this site.  I have a right to be frustrated.

@Atrius:  I hope you get a team together, to be honest.  Sala and Jamie seem to know what they're doing at least, so I suggest looking at them for team members.
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« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2012, 05:57:46 PM »

Me? I don't code. At all. Well, I know a little bit of Visual Basic, but...

Anyway, I'd suggest getting Salanewt, Teawater, and Kide together as a team for this stuff.
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« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2012, 06:17:47 PM »

Oh, right... Sorry, I keep confusing you and Teawater after his name change... I don't know why. :/
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« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2012, 06:30:53 PM »

Do I really make as little sense as he does? That's harsh.

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« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2012, 06:35:24 PM »

Not really.  Like I said, I really don't know why.  Maybe it's because you used to be Venusian, and he kinda replaced you in my mind when he changed his name...

Geez, I confuse a lot of people on this site at times.  KoP and Kingzane at times, Sala and Teawater, you and Teawater... I'm so confused! D:
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« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2012, 02:42:01 PM »

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Well, it almost looks like someone wants me in an editor team! That sounds nice, despite my ability to really do anything without PRO. Thank you very much, DLL file(s)!, and what not. (I'd really prefer not to buy it.)  However, I do have plans to see if I can convert this code to something I actually know more about.  Visual Basic.  This idea is only in the alpha stages, so I have put very little thought into it.

So anyway, just for population interest, who prefers Visual Basic over GML?
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Fox: Easier in the idea that I can reduce required external stuff where the source code isn't available/modifyable (Well, there is overrides in some cases, but still.) ; So it's possible the only "Events" I would require are those of the Form.... (Mouse Events, Keyboard Events, Paint Events, Etc. when needed.)
Yesterday at 04:42:14 PM
Fox: Anyway... I know I am using built-in controls in my current editor, but it is not out-of-the-question that I might just go and make my own custom controls... so that it is actually easier for me (But that'd take a lot of work.)  I'm thinking about one large bitmap object, and just drawing them on it. Problem is, I'm afraid it might not be efficient enough.  So I haven't decided about doing it.)
Yesterday at 04:33:28 PM
Fox: @XML = If I recall, I believe Visual Studio uses it for Settings Variables that remain even after you close the program. (e.g. There's one variable I have in my program that I call "LastRom" to make it easier to get back into the program.)
Yesterday at 04:17:59 PM
Fox: XML/JSON are simple = They are just a way to store data outside the application... ... The complexity is comparable to learning about data trees, I'd say... XML = Looks like HTML  ; JSON = Think Lists and Dictionaries, and nested ones.
Yesterday at 03:51:19 PM
Luna_blade: @the whole static thing: I recently came across the problem that if you use design patterns, objects of the same class might get duplicate info. Sometimes this is very little information, so it seems better to use something class-wide than making a file
Yesterday at 03:47:41 PM
Luna_blade: another thought I had is that I already made some code better...
Yesterday at 03:45:59 PM
Luna_blade: Sure I will open-source it on github once I rewrite it to be more maintainainable. Now that I think about it, I should put some other stuff there as well
Yesterday at 03:44:54 PM
Luna_blade: Yeah I made some code and screens for it in Java. The last thing I was busy working on was the grid for the values and the selection shape.
Yesterday at 03:41:22 PM
Luna_blade: I will learn a bit of JSON and XML soon. I guess those are pretty good replacements for what I meant with static
Yesterday at 03:40:42 PM
Luna_blade: It's an okay article. I prefer reading the java implementations on tutorialpoint
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Fox: article*
Yesterday at 12:07:06 PM
Fox: Oh yes, there's a whole artice on design patterns at wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern
Yesterday at 07:20:37 AM
Fox: Oh yes.... Just checked.... Program.cs has "Application.Run(new Form1());" ... AND.... Program.cs is a STATIC class, so my hunch is confirmed. (In a way.)
Yesterday at 07:12:43 AM
Fox: So... I'm assuming that it is like a tree, and your top level file should be the static class, with all the other object classes linked from it? (Like a tree?) - Wonder how the Dessigner treats Forms. (How are Form objects linked to a static class, if at all?)
Yesterday at 07:00:51 AM
Fox: (Since I can have incredibly bad wording sometimes :P)
Yesterday at 06:59:50 AM
Fox: (Well, started "?" was more implying whether you made any public releases yet....
Yesterday at 06:59:02 AM
Fox: Wait? You started a Hed Editor? Curious if you were going to open-source it....
Yesterday at 06:55:16 AM
Fox: Using xml or json has also come to mind as a method to replace language.ini file and to store table addresses.... but I haven't thought much about that, so....
Yesterday at 06:54:24 AM
Fox: @static object = Huh? Well, I do know that it's useful for global stuff... at least. But I'm curious about when to know if a function should be down globally or through another object....  For example, I could make me rom buffer be put in a global file, since we're likely to only have one opened at a time, for almost the duration of the app, but then when we consider possible advances in the application like having two opened at one time (Such as GS1 and GS2 to transfer pieces of data), then...?
Yesterday at 06:30:49 AM
Luna_blade: And then every strategy should have some 'static' object that tells how the specific strategy should generally look.

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