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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2012, 10:32:21 PM »

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Probably each unleash has the same chance of happening after all, given that their quantity are written in the data.
It is perfectly possible that it is with the unleashes themselves. I have not did any research into this, though. But I am assuming the Unleash offset/index just looks in another database for all the unleash-related data.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2012, 10:56:34 PM »

With unleashes themselves? But what would have happened in the case one weapon has unleash 'x' and another one has unleashes 'x' and 'y'? The first one wouldn't add 100%, right? Or would it be ... er... normalized?

Although, I don't know how the mechanics work for this subject. I mean, if it's one check for any unleash then another check for the specified one, or a single check for everything. So this is all pure speculation.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2012, 12:09:59 AM »

When I was looking on the day I made this topic. I believe none of the offsets and # of unleashes overlapped...

So for example. In the unleashes database... you could have.

Item name (Number of unleashes ; Unleash offset)

Note: I messed up.. HOLD ON!

0001 - Long Sword (0002 ; 0000)    - Critical Strike
                                     Spin Strike
0002 - (0002 ; 0002)

0003 - (0002 ; 0004)

0004 - (0002 ; 0006)

0005 - Great Sword (0003 ; 0008)   - Critical Strike
                                     Spin Strike
                                     Fearless Attack
0006 - Shamshir    (0003 ; 000B)   - Power Charge
                                     Fearless Attack
                                     Acid Bath

I mean, this is practically the same as putting this data with the items themselves. Just think of this as a method of compression. So we don't have a lot of blank spots for unleashes in the Items database.  In other words, I'm saying that you may not have to change anything about how unleashes work in the current GS2 Items Editor.

Oh yeah, and it is probably recommended to keep the limit at 4 unleashes per item. (I think there are graphical issues if you have more?)

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2012, 01:01:45 AM »

Wait, so theoretically, you could have more?  You'd just have to create a new gui/menu system to account for it?
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2012, 03:05:54 AM »



I changed the number of unleashes to 6 in this image.  If this implies yes, then I guess so.  As you can see, 5+ go outside the box.

Edit: Oh yeah, ignore the fact that I'm using version 0.9.6, thank you.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2012, 03:29:43 AM »

Oh, I've just done the same thing right now! With critical strike appearing thrice too!

However, wouldn't the weapon skill meter over there be messed up with that many unleashes?

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I believe none of the offsets and # of unleashes overlapped...
Yeah, they didn't. The thing is, I don't know if I understood you correctly at first when you said that "with the unleashes themselves" thing. I thought you meant that each unleash had it's own rate, instead of the weapon having it. So, if this is true, that would make the Great Sword unleash rate automatically higher than the Long Sword's. Unless there's some sort of normalization.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2012, 04:57:40 AM »

Interesting.  This intrigues me...  I wonder if we could tweak it somehow so that at a certain weapon skill level, certain unleashes override previous ones, kinda like EPA upgrades at class up?  If we could do that as well, imagine the possibilities we could do...

I think the easiest way to expand the gui is to have a multi-page list, kinda like psynergy.  Once it expands past four, press L or R to toggle pages.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 01:06:29 AM »

The last 4 bytes in the item data seem to be related to weapon skill level. Maybe it has something to do with a weapon's starting level?

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2017, 12:16:30 AM »

So, think we can have a general update on what we've found over the last half decade?  I know there's the link in your signature, but not all of us really understand how much of that is relevant info and how much of that isn't yet understood.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 03:14:07 AM »

It would be pretty difficult to go over everything if I'm not keeping track of when I learned about each thing. But let's see here....

@Half decade = Before this year... not much.

However, this year does come with much more research:

I guess I can start with talking about overlay files first:
-Overlay files:
0x0 = General field stuff.
0x1-0x134 -ish... are map code files. (Not sure if that's true for all of those... but usually loaded to 0x021EE000 in (U) version.)- Learned that the ARM code portion seems to set up address locations for events (reminds me of the GBA games.) ... However, events in Dark Dawn are done differently then the GBA games... as they use a Command and Args system. (Well, the GBA games may have a command and args system to a small degree, but I think it was strictly limited to object script, such as movement and stuff. Where-as, for Dark Dawn, you have them to do warps, start battles, adding/removing PCs to your party, etc. - Both command/args systems tend to stick to using 32-bits, which does make it somewhat simple.)
0x14C = Shop code (Including tables for items sold in shops/etc.)
I'm assuming there are other Overlay files (e.g.  some before 0x14C, and up to 0x14F) that may have functionality similar to the Shop, but not Shop related. (A number of them are loaded at the same RAM address, anyway.) Maybe mini-games? I have not checked if this game has mini-games, but I shall...
0x151 = General battle stuff (Includes enemy table, enemy groups, damage formula stuff, etc.)
-The rest of them (Up to 0x16D) are currently unknown... but it wouldn't surprise me if one or more of them were for Ability Animations in battle. (Since those were hard-coded in the GBA games.... )

And ofcourse, the ARM9 boot file seems to have all the general stuff needed in both Field and Battle. It seems? (Party Data, Class Data, Items, Psynergy/Abilities,  Djinn, Summons, etc.) However, it also has the Room Table, and the table that assigns the room's music and the room's name....


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Oh yes, while I may have spotted some debug and e3 related content... (Just from simply looking at rooms. And I did find the single/double/triple djinn battles as mentioned on the Discord....) ... I still have yet to access any debug menus like Warp or Flag.... No idea if this game has it, but I'm sure hoping so.
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Fox: Okay, so that Summon Night games adds the fram number to the seed, before generating another seed via mul/add....  (GS1-GS3 never adds the fram number.) ... So um, that makes sense! ;  Summon Night:  ((seed + frame) * 0x343FD + 0x269E3C) >> 0x10 ; Which is also on the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator
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Fox: Yes, and there could be contests. Maybe ones where 1st/2nd/3rd place get a cash reward, but eh. Dunno.... Kind of thinking about making a topic about how people got their job, and what was their experience. (e.g. Did they use references of people already working in the job, and various other things.)
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Majora: Import old forum posts for reference, perhaps take posts containing important info like documentation away from the old stickied forum post model and make them into their own pages on a site with an in-built search bar. Might help with SEO, too. If nothing else, perhaps whipping them into PDFs and hosting them via Scribd? The possibilities are boundless when it comes to restructuring a site
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Majora: Just a nice idea to have even if it doesn't come to fruition. Updating, modernizing, always a good idea. Could probably do something pretty nifty using a good Wordpress theme
December 09, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
Majora: Would be kind of neat to do something like that for GSHC. Could change it up a bit to show all tweets/instagram posts/facebook posts/golden sun subreddit posts all in one sidebar. It would be cool in that it gives the site it's on (and the topic in general) appear more lively and active, which is a plus
December 09, 2017, 04:14:19 AM
Majora: That does sound interesting. One cool thing I've seen some sites use is a sort of unique take on a sidebar option that acts like a social media integration (like, "See GSHC's latest Tweets"). It displays activity from a variety of related sites, such as Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
December 09, 2017, 12:58:53 AM
Fox: And the way it'd work via code is not that all users would instantly get nicknames the minute you register... but rather, the moment you view a name if it doesn't have a nickname, it gets one. (My Thoughts.)
December 09, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Fox: (I was thinking that it would be "Name (Nickname)" ... The nickname is what you first known the user as, and you can change that yourself... and the Name is what the user wants to be called... Something like that.
December 09, 2017, 12:47:56 AM
Fox: So like... for starters, one idea I had was to make it so anyone can name anyone... much like how it works on Skype, and you (the namer) would be the only one to see it, and such...
December 09, 2017, 12:45:02 AM
Fox: Would need to be carefully thought out and tested, though.
December 09, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
Fox: I'm thinking I could make it so that name changes can happen whenever... (Without any limit)... Since I believe there's a way to do it with minimum confusion. (I think.) Hmm....
December 09, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
Fox: (I mean an offline version... at least initially.)
December 09, 2017, 12:25:01 AM
Fox: Now that I have thought about it a bit more, would I be right to assume that GSHC would be one of the most interesting websites to administrate, or no? It's sad to see not much going on with it. == I almost want to make a concept website at some point. :D Anyway, how is everyone doing today?
December 06, 2017, 12:12:59 AM
Fox: Like... Start using Github or something... Do like how many of those other projects such as Citra (WIP 3DS Emulator) does. Etc.
December 06, 2017, 12:08:12 AM
Fox: No idea. I just wish OpenGoldenSun would release it as unfinished, but oh well.
December 05, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
MaxiPower: Bummed out that the open golden sun project is dead it seems with no actitivy in close to a year at this point. Is there any hope left in any other projects?
November 27, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
Fox: (When I say research, mainly refering to the data in the game, though checking websites can count to a degree.)
November 27, 2017, 09:52:27 AM
Fox: Maybe. But Dark Dawn is meh, hahah... I still research it, though, because data can be interesting.
November 27, 2017, 05:28:36 AM
Portakin: I'm here! This game is underrated!
November 25, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
Fox: .... and the email listed in that post makes me think we should just make a new rules topic with most of the same information. (So the old ones can be sort o archived.)

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