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« on: August 20, 2017, 01:13:14 AM »

Reeeally not sure where to put this.

But I want some map editor examples.... so that I can figure out gsmagic, I guess.
Basically something that gives a goal to strive for...


Map Editors I know about (But it's been awhile/so should probably check them again?): (Probably not that good?)

DoubleHelix (Metroid)
Lunar Magic (SMW) (That's why Pg Up/Pg Down changes map)
Hyrule Magic
Lazy Shell (SMRPG)
EliteMap (Pokemon, but Pokemon isn't complex like GS, is it?)
EggVine/whatever (Yoshi's Island)

Hm....Most of those games just use flat maps.... :/
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 03:00:06 PM »

I remember using a couple different Pokemon map editors and Toad's Tool for SM64 when I first started hacking, but it's been a while.

Don't forget about Yoshi Magic either! Even though I feel like you might want to update how it works somewhat.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 03:34:02 PM »

Alright.

I'm thinking Pokemon is too simple of an example...?
Toad's Tool... maybe... but it is a bit different than the type of example I was looking for.
And Yoshi Magic... is kind of a messed up example... and since I developed it, I kind of /want/ to say it doesn't count. :P (It still counts, though.)

All of those still fit in this topic, but don't really fit well for what my intentions were. = Looking for a map editor that can help me come up with ideas to improve gsmagic. Er....


http://www.romhacking.net/?page=utilities&category=12&platform=&game=&author=&os=&level=&perpage=20&title=&desc=&utilsearch=Go


One example:
http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/screenshots/875screenshot1.png
Look what's in the title bar... I could consider doing something similar, or I could do something else. ... (Just a quick simple example. Though, it's not that helpful. Well, it may be helpful to know that it is a thing, though.)

Skimming through most of the editors, though... it looks like amateurs designed them. So it can be hard to find the masterpieces...

SceneNavi (?) (OoT/MM Editor) could be an example of a "Masterpiece"...
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:01:53 PM »

In Fire Emblem hacking they use Tiled to make maps and then insert those maps in the pointer addresses to replace an existing map.
Well if similar methods can be applied to Golden sun then we can work something out.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 03:38:30 AM »

Tiled?

A great majority of GBA games work by using map tiles. GBA's built-in BG Modes even work via 8x8 tiled... ; But in my experence, I feel like it is common to see 4 of those tiles together to make 16x16 tiles.... and then there are games like Banjo Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge (or whatever), that do even more tiles... which I think makes 32x32 tiles...

(Also, let's not forget some of the 3D games.... but those are rare for the GBA. (There were at least a couple, though.))

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GS does the Tilemap (16x16 tiles) , linking to a tile table (8x8 tiles)... ... I had assumed all the tiles go in the order used in the map... but I still need to verify that after seeing what looked like an unused tile. (Not sure if referenced in the tilemap or not... given how it works and how lazy I am.)

I feel like it might be something like this in some situations... (pattern. but ofcourse the map data header contains info on where each layer is, so...)
02010000
xxxyyy--
xxxyyy--
02018000 (example)
zzz-----
zzz-----

x=layer 1
y=layer 2
z=layer 3
-= out of layer tiles... ; The last two per row usually omitted? ; And sometimes there are times a map can be wide enough layer 2 has to go after.

Even worse = Tiles may look different based on layer because layers can have different char bases assigned to them.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 08:17:52 AM »

i found the shining force map editors easy to use. just gotta look for outside info about layers and some such, but yeah..

if possible that ones format i think is honestly the best
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 01:28:55 AM »

Okay cool.

Layers? Eh? Is there a possibility it works very similar to Golden Sun? - /(like, not just 3 layers for graphics, but also for events, height, etc... and each npc picks which layer to use.)

@that ones: For which?
SF1 = https://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewtopic.php?t=15145
Would that be a good example? I haven't even looked at it, yet, though.. (So don't even know if it has a map editor. :P)
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December 19, 2019, 04:39:45 AM
Fox: Okay, another thought... "gsmagic" could be the code name/project name... and "Golden Sun Magic" could be the more formal official name... (As in using both names.)  -  I still need to look into these other games as well... so who knows if it could be better to call it Camelot Magic if those should ever be supported to a decent standard.  Would probably be a long time from now, though. As I can be pretty lazy.
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Foreclosure: gsmagic is fine
December 17, 2019, 05:44:32 PM
Fox: Also. I call my program "gsmagic" and not "GSMagic" =P (Not asking for correction/I being silly)... Had to call it something, so picked something short.  Maybe I should rename it to Golden Sun Magic later. *shrug*
December 17, 2019, 05:35:04 PM
Fox: (And "Golden Sun" instead of "GS" to reduce confusion that would likely not be there anyway... when "Golden Sun" doesn't take up much space to start with. (Imagine being new and thinking GS meant GameShark, or some other oddity. Ew.)) - All just thoughts...I'm still going with most of this not mattering that much, though.
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Fox: "Misc. GS Hacking" = That name looks odd, so I'd probably just go with "Golden Sun Hacking"
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Fox: I tempted to also suggest the Editors can go in the first category. Since the Editor is the reason this place exists in the first place. (I think.)
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Fox: (combined = Not meant to be taken literally... but rather.... to generalize things more, since it apparently looks like we don't need the extra space no one is using.)
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Fox: Worse still... we've only used those for Golden Sun content.... and there's not much there.
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Fox: E.g. Maybe everything in "Assets & Discussion" could be combined with "Creative Works".... I don't feel like sound and art apply to general hacking anyway... that only comes into play when you have tools to insert them.
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Fox: categories and/or forums
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Fox: Everything else seems to be about right, though. Perhaps some categories could be combined(?), but doesn't really matter that much.
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Fox: (I still think The Community section fits best at the bottom. =P)
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Fox: (Then sell the badges on the Trade Center for a very high price... and give a lot of active people coins to buy them with, so they can basically transfer the coins to me if they want something... Gosh I could be a naughty hoarder. =P)
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Fox: I'd buy up all the stock for each item too... but man... I think I'm too lazy for that. =P
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Fox: There we go. That should be all of them.
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