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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 01:12:17 AM »

Lazy programmer shouldn't be that ironic, really... Get to lay down in your bed all day (At least figuratively), watch t.v., get fat, eat tons of sugar and have diabetes ... all that fun stuff...
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I agree with that likeliness... but wasn't sure if there was anything I was missing...

The worst case scenario I can imagine being the most likely, is if you're trying to hack a program with violent anti-hack features. :/ (However, the chance of a program being created as such is pretty tiny.)

I remember once messing something up because I cleaned out the registry... via using a program to do so... ...  it's been so long now, though... (Maybe even a decade?? ... (I think it was the empty keys?) But note, I forget exactly all the details, but anyway.)  So you also have to use common sense as well.

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 01:43:00 PM »

Windows Registry is just a database with settings for your operating system. It can cause issues if you were to clear it out since many pieces of software rely on the registry for things like software expiration and even critical system processes. In rom hacking terms, it would be like deleting a table used to lookup sprites or battle scripts.

By the time you're screwing around with the stack, you're more than likely not doing "random bytes" anyways; either you just crash the program with a number of stack-related crashes or you trigger arbitrary code that doesn't do anything or potentially crashes the computer.

Anyways, developer laziness is one of the key problems facing accessibility today. Most software is not made accessible because most people don't know what's required and they don't fill in all the accessibility labels, let alone try to build a logical focus order.
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2016, 02:21:34 PM »

Anyways, developer laziness is one of the key problems facing accessibility today. Most software is not made accessible because most people don't know what's required and they don't fill in all the accessibility labels, let alone try to build a logical focus order.
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/10/08/the-absolute-minimum-every-software-developer-absolutely-positively-must-know-about-unicode-and-character-sets-no-excuses/
Does that include translation?
I know windows supports lot's of languages. But Android IDK?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7973023/what-is-the-list-of-supported-languages-locales-on-android
Quite a lot, but likely not in the earlier versions.

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2016, 02:25:09 PM »

-I know what the registry is... and you are correct. In fact, I believe the files for them are in... System32 /config...
I think I'd like to think of it as some sort of SQL-like thing.. (But not really.) Since SQL happens to be about managing tables as well. (But SQL is more of a coding type of thing. SQL = Structured Query Language)

@cleaned out = I don't mean deleting the whole thing, no... Just things that fell into a specific category at the time... apparently the program I was using wasn't clear about the dangers. Maybe I wasn't thinking? -- But it was so long ago, so do not think of it as anything recent.

-Well... I more just thinking of worst-case scenarios.... (Which I would think, requires knowing what all the boot files are... etc.) ... I mean... I could go on to say the registry is a type of "app" (In some way")... some people say to be careful in the registry...  and now maybe I want to know what files/keys to not touch... it's basically the same premise of what I'm trying to say. (In a somewhat(?) different form.) Since the more specific the information, the better.

Perhaps it can be made (Assuming you're designing an OS) so that the Kernel (and maybe a specialized back-up sector) is the only thing you need to actually be careful of, but I dunno... (Since that way, we could have several different forms of admin access.. The top owner status could have Kernel access, while regular admins don't, but has access to everything else... including boot files that could be repaired by Kernel. (Assuming you allocate that feature to the Kernel, in this example.))

-That's understandable... It already takes a lot of crazy time to build a game... so I'd admire those who are able to do frequent updates to whatever software they're developing. (Even if the updates are relatively small.)
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2016, 03:23:56 PM »

Anyways, developer laziness is one of the key problems facing accessibility today. Most software is not made accessible because most people don't know what's required and they don't fill in all the accessibility labels, let alone try to build a logical focus order.
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/10/08/the-absolute-minimum-every-software-developer-absolutely-positively-must-know-about-unicode-and-character-sets-no-excuses/
Does that include translation?
I know windows supports lot's of languages. But Android IDK?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7973023/what-is-the-list-of-supported-languages-locales-on-android
Quite a lot, but likely not in the earlier versions.



I'm referring to blind accessibility, but that's another example of laziness. What usually happens with a developer is that they assume that since it works for them under certain circumstances that it works for everyone. In the case of blind accessibility, that problem is pretty obvious since blind accessibility requires that you 1) set up an appropriate focus order of your elements, so that a blind person can navigate via tabbing/keyboard, and 2) requires labels so that blind people can tell more about an object than "Radiobutton, radiobutton, button, frame) ect. Poorly made websites oftentimes will have you tabbing through a long list of "table/row/column" before reaching any substantial text. Many developers don't even realize they're forgetting it. Those who do know how time consuming it can be, especially to fix it.

What you're talking about more has to do with character sets which is another problem entirely rooted in the same psychological idea - "it works for me so it will work for everyone". Smaller character sets have limited space for characters and therefore other alphabets such as cryllic or greek either are installed on larger character sets, or replace latin ones, which in the latter case often causes display issues. I'm no expert on character sets but I do know that at least.

@ Fox - Restoring the registry is fairly easy though, as long as you're able to, in some way, access the file system. For example, if you managed to bork your system so badly that it can't boot, but just need to replace the registry, if you have a backup file that you can use, you could boot using an alternative boot method (for example, using a disk to boot with Ubuntu or something) and replace the file that way. On systems like a Wii or other closed software systems this is much harder to do, but on something like your PC you should be fine. Hell, once I completely destroyed my windows Vista through some crazy overflow that somehow corrupt some system files; I was able to get all my data backed up through running an ubuntu DVD and just loading them on my portable hard drive, then reimaged the hardware. Was down for a good 2 days though.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2016, 03:51:39 PM »

Hm... Good point. Which files are required to access the file system? (Besides the Kernel, since we know it comes first.)
And how long does that take to replace? (As part of the worst-case scenario statistic.)
I am not sure about boot methods... assuming you don't have a disk (Esp. not a built-in CD drive this time... Thumb drives could probably work... since all computers typically have USB,, and they're pretty small/easily portable...).... I suppose you could dual boot with an iso file, but I haven't really set them up. (There is a screen for dual booting though... but the other option (I was going to have it be a Linux/Ubuntu since like... a long time ago), basically is messed up/whatever word goes here.)

@Your experience with overflow:  And that's nice to know. (Although sad to see happen to someone.) Thanks for sharing.


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I think it's interesting how we went off-topic (assuming the topic is about the programming community's way of doing things.), and how it's still related in some... really strange way.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 04:23:50 PM »

It really depends on what system you're using and I don't know a ton about it, especially on PCs. However, this is the very basic jist of how bootstrapping works:

When you boot a computer (or any device), electricity is powered to the device, and there is a point in memory that basically defines the first memory address to be read. The bootstrap code is designed so that it allows access to more and more memory and devices. Once memory has been allocated the code starts setting up the framework for the filesystem and operating system.

Any device that can be connected to the computer and is able to be booted through the computer's boot sequence could be used. When you boot a computer, there's an option to select your "boot order", or the order of devices being read. On older computers, it was well known to remove a floppy from your computer before booting since it would be hard coded to read from the A drive first before the C drive (namely because hard drives were not always a thing on these older computers!). In fact, some viruses propogated in this manner in the old days by basically running code that runs on boot from the floppy, and give it the illusion of not being a bootable device.

You could use a bootable thumb drive, removable hard drive, DVD, ect. but the volume would probably have to be labeled as bootable when you set up the partition. Again not an expert but this is what I know.

What this means is that as long as whatever software you're running is able to initialize themselves in this way, they can be used to boot a computer.
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