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« on: May 04, 2017, 11:54:03 PM »

Three notable tables have been included that were not editable in Atrius's editor.
(There are other tables, but they have been left out for now.)

To see those three editors, click on Editors in the tool bar. I chose to load it on the second one... The other two have comboboxes... they slow the loading process a little bit. (If they were "virtual"... like what I did with the Text Editor, it probably wouldn't have been a problem, but oh well... maybe some day.)

Also, if you take a look at the code, I have a table manager == Once the data is viewable, it is also editable. :P (Depending on if the table manager supports whatever is being coded in.)



Oh yeah, almost forgot... This only works for GS2. ... (U) version if not any of the others.

@??? in Forge Editor = Not sure if we knew what it was. But if we did, I forgot.... So yeah.
EDIT: It just dawned on me that it might determine what the dialogue displayed is! If that's the case, then it would be forgotten knowledge that has resurfaced.

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 05:27:45 PM »

Nice work! I'm going to check it out later, just working on a new overhaul right now.

I also have a small request though. For certain things like ability formulas, would you mind allowing users to input custom values in some fields? That way people can make use of patches or other hacks that add new formulas or other such things.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 06:39:12 PM »

Okay thanks! I really can't figure out a quick fix for the combobox slowness... :( At least not without a bit of work.... (e.g. Create my own custom control(s)...) ....so not sure what I will do with that, yet.

@Request: Sounds like an idea... But how would that work, though? I mean, I could create a set of numerics, but they wouldn't be that useful if you need checkboxes or something like that, and worse if it is hard to label them what they are based on the patch added/etc. (e.g. Sounds like something where a patch and a program are given in a single download.)


A program and/or asm text file should probably be used anyway, if one can manage a space manager system. (With defaults that the user can change.) -
Possibly easier both for the creator and the user than putting random stuff in the editor?


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Imagine a scenario:
1 asm file that references/includes a binary file (representing a table of data) (This asm file tells where to put the included binary file, and what patches to add.)
1 Binary file (table)
1 program to edit that table... and anything else you might want to edit/display/etc.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2017, 07:02:17 PM »

My vote for some of them, like formulas, would be to add extra options in shorter listboxes that read something like "*Patch Only*" without having to bother with text files or other settings systems that need to be modified by users. Longer listboxes should probably have some supplementary file, and checkboxes... not sure for those.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2017, 07:23:31 PM »

Oh yeah... Forgot to comment on the formula part... There are 16 available slots, right? So it'd be as easy as making sure the combo box gives you all 16. (Including the originally unused ones.) Other than that, though... there is a reason why my program is open-sourced = You can code in anything or take whatever you want as you please... as long as it remains open-sourced/freely available. (My thoughts are that if I didn't do that, my program wouldn't really be that useful.)


(Not much for including licenses... as I partly think they're over-rated, but yeah.)
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2017, 07:36:03 PM »

Lol, that's true!

What's next for this editor version?
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2017, 01:11:07 AM »

Well, I am not sure yet... What would you like to be next?

Current things I would like to do: (Maybe not for next version... but undecided. ... And sorry if any of those end up being spoilers... Just because I am interested in doing them doesn't mean they'll actually get done.)
-Add Search/Find functionality for main list boxes through Table Manager.
-MAYBE have some sort of hex editor thing? ( Could go next to address labels.) - Sort of for educational purposes, and ROM searching/etc.... - I see it as showing just the entry data... unless you expand to the larger editor (if one is made.) -- Or, it could just be a hex editor with color coding based on where you are at/what you clicked on... where clicking the label brings you to this position in the hex editor.
-Fix the combo box slowness. (Any ideas how? I'm curious about making my own "Controls" somehow.)
-Class Editor with Class Type Chart editor. - Class Type to display those classes that use it first + when one is selected, do some sort of highlighting (Or whatever) in the class type chart for those that are connected.
-Various other things.

However, I might wait later for working on those... and well... there really is no expected date for the next version, either... (As of yet.) ... And may resume on *some* Dark Dawn research for now?
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2017, 09:05:55 AM »

Wow, i didn't know there was one byte for the elemental attack in the table, thanks a lot for this little gem Fox!
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 12:44:29 AM »

The top of my list would be a map, tile, and room palette editor, but I also understand how much work would be required for that so I think another good feature would be an expanded "enemy properties" section of an enemy editor that does more than just assign sprites and palette swaps to enemies.

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08130D0C = Individual Enemy Table (8 bytes/entry)
 025F Sprite value
 A2   Sound effect on defeat + palette swap
 00   Attack type - from x00 to x15, PCs have to be in the NPC class to use these attack types (attacks include Star Magician's magic attacks, punches, jabs, uppercuts, claw attacks, and other standard slashes and swings); attacks are coded in red, PC attacks are coded elsewhere (unless NPC class); add x20 for certain attack types to add hopping, multiply the x20 to increase jump height (x80 is standard attack jump height)
 00   Cast/impact height
 00  
 00
 00

That stuff! At least the things that the original editor can't change if you feel like it.


Also, a huge bonus if you can include the icon compressor in some capacity; that way we can have it all in one tool!  Happy

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2017, 01:23:57 PM »

Thanks a bunch Fox this new editor got me back into looking at my mods and the ones I had planned. Is there any chance of this working with GS1 in the future?
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2017, 07:23:10 PM »

You are welcome.
And yes, there is chance.  It is mostly just a simple address change. (And number of entries change.) ... But some tables may have slight differences(?).... GS1 doesn't even have a Forge, if I recall correctly.
In any case, GS1 compatibility is needed for various things in order to fully replace Atrius's Editor, so I can't see why I would not eventually do it. (Except for laziness, maybe.)
That, and I also plan for Dark Dawn compatibility as well. At some point. (That would include the maps too, if I'm lucky.)

I think it is pretty clear that I'm not rushing.... and that I may be taking my merrily time. Heheh.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 07:09:02 PM »

Looking forward to when that happens especially Dark Dawn as I wanted to make a difficulty mod for it for a long time now.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2017, 06:25:15 AM »

As a small note, I believe that this topic should be pinned in the future!


Now to you: How goes progress on this new editor?
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2017, 07:18:45 AM »

Well... Progress? I did get the Editor to talk! Who likes a silent editor? They're as bad as Isaac/Felix/Matthew!

One problem though, I couldn't figure out how to properly get it to say bye. (In the same place.)


And ideas for good lines?


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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 07:57:10 AM »

How goes progress now? i would also love a dawn dawn editor... i really want to make a very game changing hard mode hack.
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December 09, 2017, 04:24:14 AM
Majora: Import old forum posts for reference, perhaps take posts containing important info like documentation away from the old stickied forum post model and make them into their own pages on a site with an in-built search bar. Might help with SEO, too. If nothing else, perhaps whipping them into PDFs and hosting them via Scribd? The possibilities are boundless when it comes to restructuring a site
December 09, 2017, 04:20:02 AM
Majora: Just a nice idea to have even if it doesn't come to fruition. Updating, modernizing, always a good idea. Could probably do something pretty nifty using a good Wordpress theme
December 09, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
Majora: Would be kind of neat to do something like that for GSHC. Could change it up a bit to show all tweets/instagram posts/facebook posts/golden sun subreddit posts all in one sidebar. It would be cool in that it gives the site it's on (and the topic in general) appear more lively and active, which is a plus
December 09, 2017, 04:14:19 AM
Majora: That does sound interesting. One cool thing I've seen some sites use is a sort of unique take on a sidebar option that acts like a social media integration (like, "See GSHC's latest Tweets"). It displays activity from a variety of related sites, such as Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
December 09, 2017, 12:58:53 AM
Fox: And the way it'd work via code is not that all users would instantly get nicknames the minute you register... but rather, the moment you view a name if it doesn't have a nickname, it gets one. (My Thoughts.)
December 09, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Fox: (I was thinking that it would be "Name (Nickname)" ... The nickname is what you first known the user as, and you can change that yourself... and the Name is what the user wants to be called... Something like that.
December 09, 2017, 12:47:56 AM
Fox: So like... for starters, one idea I had was to make it so anyone can name anyone... much like how it works on Skype, and you (the namer) would be the only one to see it, and such...
December 09, 2017, 12:45:02 AM
Fox: Would need to be carefully thought out and tested, though.
December 09, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
Fox: I'm thinking I could make it so that name changes can happen whenever... (Without any limit)... Since I believe there's a way to do it with minimum confusion. (I think.) Hmm....
December 09, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
Fox: (I mean an offline version... at least initially.)
December 09, 2017, 12:25:01 AM
Fox: Now that I have thought about it a bit more, would I be right to assume that GSHC would be one of the most interesting websites to administrate, or no? It's sad to see not much going on with it. == I almost want to make a concept website at some point. :D Anyway, how is everyone doing today?
December 06, 2017, 12:12:59 AM
Fox: Like... Start using Github or something... Do like how many of those other projects such as Citra (WIP 3DS Emulator) does. Etc.
December 06, 2017, 12:08:12 AM
Fox: No idea. I just wish OpenGoldenSun would release it as unfinished, but oh well.
December 05, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
MaxiPower: Bummed out that the open golden sun project is dead it seems with no actitivy in close to a year at this point. Is there any hope left in any other projects?
November 27, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
Fox: (When I say research, mainly refering to the data in the game, though checking websites can count to a degree.)
November 27, 2017, 09:52:27 AM
Fox: Maybe. But Dark Dawn is meh, hahah... I still research it, though, because data can be interesting.
November 27, 2017, 05:28:36 AM
Portakin: I'm here! This game is underrated!
November 25, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
Fox: .... and the email listed in that post makes me think we should just make a new rules topic with most of the same information. (So the old ones can be sort o archived.)
November 25, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
Fox: "and in addition to the bot being banned, I will remove the advertisement and lock the thread."  ... From what I've seen in the last couple years, this should be changed to "delete the thread."
November 24, 2017, 03:46:07 AM
Fox: Happy birthday Salanewt (Since it is mentioned in the Upcoming Caledar.) And Thanksgiving to my fellow GSHCers!

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