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« on: June 06, 2017, 04:40:07 AM »

So I've been thinking of the Golden Sun series for quite a while, and I think it's high time we had some new material.
Camelot looks like they've given up on the offer to make a new one for enough request, and I don't think they'd be up to it anymore.
Nintendo also hasn't even mentioned the games in six years besides virtual consoles.

So with the development of Open Golden Sun, I think we should take matters into our own hands, and make a game that makes the six year wait worth it.

I propose:

Golden Sun: The Convert Dusk

Setting-

Golden Sun: The Convert Dusk (or GSCD or TCD) is an episodic adventure taking place hundreds of years after the end of Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. The world is in a new golden age, but the dangers of alchemy begin to resurface, and the heroes learn why alchemy was sealed in the first place as they journey to return the world to a balanced state.

Concepts-

The fundaments from Dark Dawn return, but not they way you'd think. Instead of being true "elements" they are two sides of a whole, and can be wielded by anyone.
 Luna"Luna", the fundament of shadow, represents: cold, solitude, calm, healing through recuperation, and damage through deterioration
 Sol"Sol", the fundament of light, represents: heat, company, excitement, healing through invigoration, and damage through overwhelming
Neither has an alignment towards morality, only approaches to the world.
In addition there are no luna or sol spells, nor are there any luna or sol adepts. Instead, elemental psynergy spells, djinn, and summons may be aligned towards one fundament, giving radically different effects than usual for the element.

Due to the events in Dark Dawn, a new game mechanic will be introduced, the eclipse event.

What is an eclipse event?
An eclipse event is a mechanic that benefits the player in battle through careful planning, although you may just get lucky.

When does an eclipse happen?
An eclipse event can occur at random, but is very rare, only happening about ten times through the entire game.
Alternatively, there is a meter that shows up during battle. This meter looks something like this:
 Unknown Unknown Unknown Neutral Unknown Unknown Unknown
When you cast any fundament-aligned ability, the meter fills up.

For example:
Isaac (not a party member) casts vertigo (venus-luna)
 Unknown Unknown Unknown Neutral Luna Unknown Unknown
Garet (not a party member) unleashes blind!  Mars Djinni (mars-sol)
 Unknown Unknown Sol Neutral Luna Unknown Unknown
And so on

When the meter increases, so do your chances of activating an eclipse event! In fact, when the meter is completely full your next turn is guaranteed to be an eclipse event. But be careful, filling up one side of the meter much more than the other can lead to consequences.

What does an eclipse do?
Glad you asked! It's not like I wasn't going to answer it whether you like it or not.
During an eclipse event, two of your party members will be able to combine attacks for one turn. This can range from super-buffing someone for one powerful attack, to combining a spell with a summon. Hopefully, this will greatly increase the strategy in battle and make for some amazing memories.

Story, party members, and more mechanics soon.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 08:01:51 PM »

Some of this kinda sounds like Rolina's ideas around light/dark stuff; I wonder what she thinks about a lot of this?
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 12:01:20 AM »

The concepts are similar, but I did come up with this before I found this forum, besides it's better to have all the ideas in one location
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2017, 03:16:02 AM »

Part 2:

Characters-

Note: None of these characters are fleshed out, if you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

Venus:

- A girl who recieved a message from an ancient hero. She is tasked by the long-dead holder of the Golden Sun to deactivate the lighthouses to save the world from a war over alchemy. Type: Mage

Mars:

- A half-proxian who wants to clear his race's name by making up for the evil that Saturos, Menardi, Karst, and Agatio did. Has access to monster skills in addition to psynergy. Type: Warrior

Mercury:

- An inept, has no access to psynergy. However, through use of martial arts and chi, he can emulate typeless psynergy. Can also change his attack's elements using djinn. Type: Warrior

Jupiter:

- Sveta 2.0, probs male, I dunno. Type: Mage/Hybrid

Other:

- A venus adept, his significant other died many years ago. Due to his access to the revive spell, and due to her being a jupiter adept (mind element), she fights alongside him from beyond the grave. Type: Warrior

- A descendant of Kraden, like him, he has no psynergy. But he makes up for it by having access to alchemy, being able to cast completely unique spells. Type: Mage

- An inept, he makes use of items such as Weasel's claw and Oil drop. To make up for his lack of psynergy, he is very practiced in combat. Type: Warrior

Again, if you have any ideas, please put them below.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 03:53:30 AM »

Part 3: Elements

Venus-
Venus is the element of earth and man. Sub-elements are:
- Rock (spire, quake, gaia, etc.)
- Crystal (inspiration from Rolina)
- Nature (thorn, bramble, punji)
- Spirit (revive, call spirit, haunt)

Mars-
Mars is the element of fire and dragons. Sub-elements are:
- Flame (flare, fire)
- Explosions (blast)
- Energy (beam)
- Mystic (fume, dragon cloud)

Jupiter-
Jupiter is the element of wind and birds. Sub-elements are:
- Wind (whirlwind, gale)
- Electricity (ray, plasma)
- Astral (astral blast)
- Mind (mind read, reveal)

Mercury-
Mercury is the element of water and fish. Sub-elements are:
- Water (douse)
- Ice (ice, cool)
- Acid (my concept)
- Divinity (ply, wish)

Fundaments:

No elements or adepts are fundamentally-alligned. Instead, a small list of unleashes, psynergy, djinn, and summons are fundamentally-alligned.

Sol-
Sol is the offensive fundament, relying on direct attacks, attack buffs, and enemy defence de-buffs. Theoretically, a true sol "element" would be the most extreme glass-cannon possible.

Luna-
Luna is the defensive fundament, relying on indirect attacks, defence buffs, and enemy attack de-buffs. Theoretically, a true luna "element" would be the most extreme tank possible.

Note: I think taking inspiration from the list of pokemon moves would be beneficial for new psynergy moves and powers.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 01:29:27 PM »

Figure I could get this out of the way:

Why Umbra?  Would not Luna make more sense, considering the names of literally every other element and fundament?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2017, 06:33:29 PM »

Hey Rolina! Nice to see you here, as for why, it was midnight when I wrote this. Sweat Drop

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 07:16:27 AM »

Nice to see me here?  Uh... thanks I guess?  (I think I was the sixth member to sign up here or something super early like that...)

Noticed you assign Acid to mercury.  You gonna change the elements of Acid Bath and Acid Bite then?  Acid's Mars in vanilla.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 07:50:00 AM »

As a quick reminder, I believe that GSHC (Classics) generally existed ~1~2 year (rounding figures are okay, right?) before the SMF version came. (It was InvisionFree>omgforum>SMF)
At this point, anyone who had arrived to see the GSHC Classic days of who is still here deserves a gold medal. (And maybe even a Legacy rank or something?)


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Note: I think taking inspiration from the list of pokemon moves would be beneficial for new psynergy moves and powers.
Pokemon graphics on the way? (Only assuming if there are no other alternative better-looking graphics.)
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 12:21:56 AM »

Haha, sorry if that came off weird. I was saying that it was nice to see you critiquing my thread, I was especially surprised due to your aforementioned earliness to this forum.

Acid is mercury because I wanted mercury to have anything cool (pun unintended)
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2017, 01:34:50 AM »

And steam explosions are geysers aren't?  Seemed like the obvious way to go to me.  I trust you've already re-assigned the various acid abilities to be Mercury instead of Mars then?

Oh... also ice lasers, because ice can make prisms, so you can straight up have ice-based light attacks.
Oh, also powerful waves, because water and stuff.
Oh, also the unfathomable depths of the abyss, because oceans be scary yo.
Oh, also cursed mists and haunted fogs.
Oh, also those mists that aren't actually vapor but are totally ice and you wind up breathing in ice and it destroys your lungs... that's a real thing too.
Oh, and water lasers, because that's also a real life thing.

Plenty of cool stuff you can do with Mercury, and with all elements.  Just need to think creatively.  Also, seriously - check some real world stuff out about Ice, Water, Steam, and related weather phenomenon.  There's some crazy stuff out there.  Here, I'll get you started:  Look up "Pycrete".

Hell, if anything acid's gonna cause more problems here.  Stuff's tough to work with in comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2017, 03:35:50 AM »

You bring up good points, but my problem is that I wanted each element to have four sub-elements to its name
Abyss could work though, shadow to the venus/crystal's light.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2017, 08:24:30 AM »

Okay... what about the redundant subelements then?  How is flames different than dragons made of flame?  And the subelements that consist purely of healing for one, but healing falling into other subelements for other elements (ex:  Cure, Aura, Boon, etc)?
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2017, 02:35:22 PM »

For the mystic element, I was trying to give each element a spiritual type subelement, I admit it isn't the best of categorizations. To be fair, as far as I know, mars is the only element that uses it's patron animal in standard psynergy.

And as for healing, I gave it divinity because mercury healing is by far the best and deserves its own category. Also I thought I could give it themed psynergy, like a prayer to call down a smiting on your enemies.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2017, 02:38:05 PM »

I just felt like mentioning this, there's a risk that the Nintendo will come and shut down this project, such things have happened before. :(
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August 20, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Fox: Same... depending on whether they've used tricks instead or not.
August 20, 2017, 08:02:49 PM
Salanewt: I could see it counting.
August 20, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
Fox: Not sure if Zelda (LttP/Minish Cap) count or not...
August 20, 2017, 11:23:00 AM
Fox: Appararently, I can't think of many GBA games that do the psuedo-3D thing. (That being 2D maps with 3D-like collision...) Golden Sun and Superstar Saga come to mind, though... but I'll need to think about others, since it is quite possible i've simply forgotten....
August 19, 2017, 03:45:19 PM
Fox: Hmm... Thought: What if Isaac and co. weren't on Jupiter Lighthouse when Felix and co. were... I wonder if the story could have had a huge expansion, in this case.
August 18, 2017, 12:18:56 PM
Fox: Welcome back!
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Fox: That moment when you realize that there is a lot of chatting going on on Discord, that there is no point in trying to keep up. :P  Hm....
August 16, 2017, 04:50:22 AM
Fox: (Then again, just because posting is disabled, doesn't necessarily mean the buttons would be removed as well.)
August 16, 2017, 04:48:55 AM
Fox: (I mean, buttons I would expect to be similar to that.... rather than those specifically since I recall posting there to be disabled.)
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Fox: Yeah... I like to think of it as a page loaded with ads. And it's not just the forum home page either... check the sub-forums/topics themselves. == New Topic/Reply/etc. buttons were affected.
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Salanewt: Lol, nice. :P
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Foxhttp://z9.invisionfree.com/Golden_Sun_Hacking/index.php? == Hahaha! GSHC Classic looks funny now that Photobucket killed the images. :P Anyway, how is everyone doing today?
August 14, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Salanewt: So yeah, I'm typing up a non-academic essay on why GS2 was rushed; expect that sometime soon!
August 07, 2017, 05:53:11 AM
Fox: But anyway, such a hack mod is simply an idea, and I do not have any current plans to work on it at this time, so.....
August 07, 2017, 05:51:46 AM
Fox: Okay, cool. I think my idea works best without an ability to swap PCs (OR to just simply make that use it the PC's turn.) Hmmm... And with that, I question if a turn list is even needed with my approach. (Outside of maybe 1 entry, if that shortens the modifications.)
August 07, 2017, 05:13:26 AM
Salanewt: To be honest I've been thinking of expanding the battle turn section and also adding code for PCs to have more than two turns in the AI overhaul, but I probably won't allow anyone to have more than four.
August 06, 2017, 12:22:17 AM
Fox: Oh, and if that approach was taken = Would like to also have it so you select the spell to use when it is actually your turn rather than at round start.
August 06, 2017, 12:12:37 AM
Fox: Would take a lot of balancing, but I can see an adept being very slow, and yet very powerful.
August 06, 2017, 12:06:11 AM
Fox: And bosses can have an Agility that is above half of the maximum possible Agility. Mwahaha.

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