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« on: August 20, 2017, 01:13:14 AM »

Reeeally not sure where to put this.

But I want some map editor examples.... so that I can figure out gsmagic, I guess.
Basically something that gives a goal to strive for...


Map Editors I know about (But it's been awhile/so should probably check them again?): (Probably not that good?)

DoubleHelix (Metroid)
Lunar Magic (SMW) (That's why Pg Up/Pg Down changes map)
Hyrule Magic
Lazy Shell (SMRPG)
EliteMap (Pokemon, but Pokemon isn't complex like GS, is it?)
EggVine/whatever (Yoshi's Island)

Hm....Most of those games just use flat maps.... :/
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 03:00:06 PM »

I remember using a couple different Pokemon map editors and Toad's Tool for SM64 when I first started hacking, but it's been a while.

Don't forget about Yoshi Magic either! Even though I feel like you might want to update how it works somewhat.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 03:34:02 PM »

Alright.

I'm thinking Pokemon is too simple of an example...?
Toad's Tool... maybe... but it is a bit different than the type of example I was looking for.
And Yoshi Magic... is kind of a messed up example... and since I developed it, I kind of /want/ to say it doesn't count. :P (It still counts, though.)

All of those still fit in this topic, but don't really fit well for what my intentions were. = Looking for a map editor that can help me come up with ideas to improve gsmagic. Er....


http://www.romhacking.net/?page=utilities&category=12&platform=&game=&author=&os=&level=&perpage=20&title=&desc=&utilsearch=Go


One example:
http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/screenshots/875screenshot1.png
Look what's in the title bar... I could consider doing something similar, or I could do something else. ... (Just a quick simple example. Though, it's not that helpful. Well, it may be helpful to know that it is a thing, though.)

Skimming through most of the editors, though... it looks like amateurs designed them. So it can be hard to find the masterpieces...

SceneNavi (?) (OoT/MM Editor) could be an example of a "Masterpiece"...
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:01:53 PM »

In Fire Emblem hacking they use Tiled to make maps and then insert those maps in the pointer addresses to replace an existing map.
Well if similar methods can be applied to Golden sun then we can work something out.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 03:38:30 AM »

Tiled?

A great majority of GBA games work by using map tiles. GBA's built-in BG Modes even work via 8x8 tiled... ; But in my experence, I feel like it is common to see 4 of those tiles together to make 16x16 tiles.... and then there are games like Banjo Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge (or whatever), that do even more tiles... which I think makes 32x32 tiles...

(Also, let's not forget some of the 3D games.... but those are rare for the GBA. (There were at least a couple, though.))

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GS does the Tilemap (16x16 tiles) , linking to a tile table (8x8 tiles)... ... I had assumed all the tiles go in the order used in the map... but I still need to verify that after seeing what looked like an unused tile. (Not sure if referenced in the tilemap or not... given how it works and how lazy I am.)

I feel like it might be something like this in some situations... (pattern. but ofcourse the map data header contains info on where each layer is, so...)
02010000
xxxyyy--
xxxyyy--
02018000 (example)
zzz-----
zzz-----

x=layer 1
y=layer 2
z=layer 3
-= out of layer tiles... ; The last two per row usually omitted? ; And sometimes there are times a map can be wide enough layer 2 has to go after.

Even worse = Tiles may look different based on layer because layers can have different char bases assigned to them.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 08:17:52 AM »

i found the shining force map editors easy to use. just gotta look for outside info about layers and some such, but yeah..

if possible that ones format i think is honestly the best
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 01:28:55 AM »

Okay cool.

Layers? Eh? Is there a possibility it works very similar to Golden Sun? - /(like, not just 3 layers for graphics, but also for events, height, etc... and each npc picks which layer to use.)

@that ones: For which?
SF1 = https://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewtopic.php?t=15145
Would that be a good example? I haven't even looked at it, yet, though.. (So don't even know if it has a map editor. :P)
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Fox: Okay, so that Summon Night games adds the fram number to the seed, before generating another seed via mul/add....  (GS1-GS3 never adds the fram number.) ... So um, that makes sense! ;  Summon Night:  ((seed + frame) * 0x343FD + 0x269E3C) >> 0x10 ; Which is also on the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator
December 12, 2017, 11:10:45 PM
Fox: Yes, and there could be contests. Maybe ones where 1st/2nd/3rd place get a cash reward, but eh. Dunno.... Kind of thinking about making a topic about how people got their job, and what was their experience. (e.g. Did they use references of people already working in the job, and various other things.)
December 09, 2017, 04:24:14 AM
Majora: Import old forum posts for reference, perhaps take posts containing important info like documentation away from the old stickied forum post model and make them into their own pages on a site with an in-built search bar. Might help with SEO, too. If nothing else, perhaps whipping them into PDFs and hosting them via Scribd? The possibilities are boundless when it comes to restructuring a site
December 09, 2017, 04:20:02 AM
Majora: Just a nice idea to have even if it doesn't come to fruition. Updating, modernizing, always a good idea. Could probably do something pretty nifty using a good Wordpress theme
December 09, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
Majora: Would be kind of neat to do something like that for GSHC. Could change it up a bit to show all tweets/instagram posts/facebook posts/golden sun subreddit posts all in one sidebar. It would be cool in that it gives the site it's on (and the topic in general) appear more lively and active, which is a plus
December 09, 2017, 04:14:19 AM
Majora: That does sound interesting. One cool thing I've seen some sites use is a sort of unique take on a sidebar option that acts like a social media integration (like, "See GSHC's latest Tweets"). It displays activity from a variety of related sites, such as Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
December 09, 2017, 12:58:53 AM
Fox: And the way it'd work via code is not that all users would instantly get nicknames the minute you register... but rather, the moment you view a name if it doesn't have a nickname, it gets one. (My Thoughts.)
December 09, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Fox: (I was thinking that it would be "Name (Nickname)" ... The nickname is what you first known the user as, and you can change that yourself... and the Name is what the user wants to be called... Something like that.
December 09, 2017, 12:47:56 AM
Fox: So like... for starters, one idea I had was to make it so anyone can name anyone... much like how it works on Skype, and you (the namer) would be the only one to see it, and such...
December 09, 2017, 12:45:02 AM
Fox: Would need to be carefully thought out and tested, though.
December 09, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
Fox: I'm thinking I could make it so that name changes can happen whenever... (Without any limit)... Since I believe there's a way to do it with minimum confusion. (I think.) Hmm....
December 09, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
Fox: (I mean an offline version... at least initially.)
December 09, 2017, 12:25:01 AM
Fox: Now that I have thought about it a bit more, would I be right to assume that GSHC would be one of the most interesting websites to administrate, or no? It's sad to see not much going on with it. == I almost want to make a concept website at some point. :D Anyway, how is everyone doing today?
December 06, 2017, 12:12:59 AM
Fox: Like... Start using Github or something... Do like how many of those other projects such as Citra (WIP 3DS Emulator) does. Etc.
December 06, 2017, 12:08:12 AM
Fox: No idea. I just wish OpenGoldenSun would release it as unfinished, but oh well.
December 05, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
MaxiPower: Bummed out that the open golden sun project is dead it seems with no actitivy in close to a year at this point. Is there any hope left in any other projects?
November 27, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
Fox: (When I say research, mainly refering to the data in the game, though checking websites can count to a degree.)
November 27, 2017, 09:52:27 AM
Fox: Maybe. But Dark Dawn is meh, hahah... I still research it, though, because data can be interesting.
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Portakin: I'm here! This game is underrated!
November 25, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
Fox: .... and the email listed in that post makes me think we should just make a new rules topic with most of the same information. (So the old ones can be sort o archived.)

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