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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2014, 08:21:30 PM »

Well... Lord Wolfram, you're right about the communism nowadays isn't the best form of society, but if you had country that did have good communism, I don't think it would be a problem.

And if you're talking about Russia and stuff, yeah those countries got trouble, but that doesn't mean that every communist country would be bad or unfunctional.
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« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2014, 12:03:40 AM »

Lol guys. First off, I am an American. That being said, I like to say I am from Barbados because their flag kicks butt. ANYWAYS, I do believe that America is comprised of about 94% people who would rather be lazy and get stuff than work to get stuff. The aforementioned theory, combined with the current policies of my nation, comprise an end result of there being nobody willing to kill the politicians, as suggested earlier. Lol. If they did, they would probably make a New Constitution that would sound good, and grant the New Framers lots of extra privileges. Either that, or they reverse the country's policies, push America in the right direction, piss a lot of people off, get killed, and be replaced by the Newer New Framers.  Happy Glad to be of help.  Happy
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« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2014, 12:16:34 AM »

How can you say Communism is bad without letting a chance to the communist themselves to defend their position. I certainly believe in communism and would be extremely to see happening in america because it will open the door everywhere including my nation of Quebec which have been ravaged by those damn right-wing policies, which are the very 33% of Quebecker can't find a familly medic

Excuse me for my rather poor english, I mainly think in french first.

Saying i am communist is rather vague, I prefer to sy, I am a libertarian Communist or a left-wing communist. in short, it stay on the phrase, from each to his ability, to each according to his needs. ...  we can be even simplier

the government place is in economics, that is where the government belong and not in personnal life. The government has no place saying who can't marry or should marry, how many children you can have, or who you can or can't have sex with, this is your personnal life, do what you want.

It is clear to me that private property should be outlawed, and that passed by a government, private property has be remplaced with collective property, (not state property), entreprises should be owned by the workers' themselves. (that is mutual and cooperative)
It is also clear to me the government should do what ever they can to protect the environment, the free market will not protect it, the free market is just a fraud, is everyone where good at heart it would happen, but human are more selfish

I highly believe Communism can happen everywhere, I believe Stalin's logic as false, for records, he though, people are too stupid, so communism will not work with democracy, it can only work with dictatorship. AKA' People live in Plato's cave

Hoverer, I don't see communism happening so soon, because the wealthy will fight to make sure they can keep their power and they unfair wealth. making money is not bad, but do you really 1 billion to live, no, so when you have too much, give to those who do not have enough.

my stance is simple
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- Democracy is needed in communist
- Abortion should be legals, they are a personal choice
- Gay Marriage should be recognized. and going further, voluntary polygamist and incestuous (Brother sister) Marriage should be recognized too.
- Desecration of nationals flags should be legal
- State must be secular and neutral
- State should protect freedom of speech
- State should not limit voting rights but should expend it as much as possible.
- Judges must be independent, a judge cannot be member of a political parties and must let his political opinions away, so he can base his judgement on the fact and on the constitution, if Canada did not had that, we would not have Bedford jugement, decriminalization of prostitution
- Prostitution should legal and recognized.
- Marijuana should be legal, but that, I am sure you saw it coming, it is a logical conclusion.
- Man and woman should always equal
- third sex or intersex should recognize and made equal to man and woman.

Economics
- Healthcare should free and universal,
- Education should a right and free all the way to university.
- I support Food stamps.
- I support child benefits, as a way to help, child benefits should be given to all, no matter the wealth or the family, may it be traditional, monoparental or homosexual
- Cooperatives and mutual are prefered to private entreprises, in the end, private property should be outlawed.
- personnal property should not outlawed.
- environment should be strongly protected by a big ministry of environment.
- Renewable Energy should completely replace fossil energy, that mean oil is best when not exploited.
- Taxes should be very high on the wealthy and low on the poor, as a form of redistribution of the wealth,
- Wildlife should be protected with the strongest effort and free kill or fun hunting should be banned, just like ownership of wild animals must be banned

I think you got the basic Idea now
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2014, 06:47:23 AM »

@Marijuana: Ew. I don't want that smell to be everywhere I go, in thought of second-hand smoking... but yeah, I agree that it should be legal, especially if you respect the people around you.
@Taxes: That's a gray area for me, high taxes on the rich could mean fewer businesses and jobs for the poor. (And if poor people get their money from the rich, I can guess they'll try to give you even less money via fewer raises or something... depending on how the system works... therefore the tax ends up hurting everyone? Just a guess.)

Who thinks taxes should be a flat percent?

One idea I had was something similar to this: (Not exact values.)
Poor pays 10% taxes. And then once you have enough money to open up a decent business, you could be classified as "Rich"... where the more money you earn, the tax could slowly rise from 10%. Probably following a brackets system, where each bracket is at every amount where you could own another business? I'm guessing a 1% increase for each bracket, but hm.., (Ofcourse, this is a WIP thought.)
Rich pay a maximum of 20% taxes(?), but following certain conditions could bring it down to 10%.

"Certain conditions" could be things like how many workers you have, and how much you are paying them, but this is just a thought.
"business" = How much does the average business cost? (Since I know costs can vary place to place, and how prices can fluctuate quickly, money can probably be a difficult thing to understand... Location by itself can determine a large percentage of the price of a building. I wonder how much that will change when we get portable housing! Which probably won't change too much.)
"portable housing" = Ofcourse, this is meant to be kind of a joke... but then if you were to tell people in the 1800s that there would be airplanes and people could buy high-tech computers at a reasonable low price.... they would have thought you were joking. (Probably.)

Dec. 1903 = The Wright brothers had invented the first successful airplane.
computers = Yes, smartphones count as "computers"... I would include smartwatches, but they need a price dropping.

And whoops! It looks like I'm straying off-topic.
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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2014, 02:35:21 PM »

my stance is simple
*Then sums up huge list. Happy
No I get what you mean. Didn't you forgot to mention there should be no war?
@Taxes: That's a gray area for me, high taxes on the rich could mean fewer businesses and jobs for the poor.

High taxes, at least in my country, mean high taxes affecting your income. That doesn't necessarily mean less jobs. However, high taxes for the poor people mean an even lower income, as a result they might quit working because it isn't rewarding enough.
Who thinks taxes should be a flat percent?
Not me, with my prefences to communism. In my country, they're discussing a flat percent. Sure it is equality in a way, but it mostly profits the rich. It does however take an thing away: "We pay more, so we get more influence." (rich person in a country with progressive taxes) But the rich keep more money, allowing them to lobby more... Sad
And whoops! It looks like I'm straying off-topic.
Looks like we all did, with our talking about taxes.
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« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2014, 03:27:27 PM »

Sorry if I offended you, Darkylighty. If I did, let me know, and I will try to compensate for it in the future.

One reason I think Communism is bad is a historical example you previously left out. Jamestown, one of the first colonies of the U.S, just so happened to try Communism out. It resulted in almost everyone being lazier, making productions costs extremely low. This almost caused a famine. Due to this, their leader made the famous quote, "He who doesn't work does not eat."

I firmly believe with the communistic idea that he who cannot work should be able to eat. However, I do not think people who CAN work should receive benefits when they do NOT work. Here is where I find error with Communism. Also, while we are at it, I just want to point out how fast early America became a large and powerful nation under the Constitution.... and how far we have fallen since then due to people looking to gain popularity using loopholes in the Constitution itself. Basically, a lot of lazy people in America have so many benefits that the workers, those who learned a skill/trade and use it for money, are not getting much for their hard work. I commend those who do work hard, which is why I do not feel that Communism and Socialism are good for a country's economy.

However, that being said:

I also disagree with most current American policies. Some policies give rise to poor people not being able to rise up in the Economy, which is not good. I also agree with what Darkylighty said about rich people not giving their money to the poor. But then again, I also see that many people abuse that. Personally, I believe that in the future, when technology becomes more high-tech, we should grant people the privilege to work instead of the privilege to be poor and get money. Really we should be doing that now- the only reason I said the word "future" was because of those who have true disabilities. For now, we could give those who do have true disabilities money to live better. That SHOULD be done. But what I do not like is the fact that many people abuse the idea that everyone should be equal. That isn't true. People who work hard for their money should be higher than those that do not. (That is why I like the whole idea of Free Market- to a point. (This point has mostly been overridden in America))

Summary: Capitalism and the idea of a Free Market only work if everybody actually wants to work. Communism and Socialism only work if nobody wants to work. Both systems are flawed, but if you take both and get the best side of each, I see Capitalism having the upper end.

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1: America is NOT a democracy. Most people fail to realize this- it is in reality a republic. Look up their definitions if you disbelieve me.
2: Personally I don't like Marijuana, but I know that it can1 be harmless (and helpful). However, I see it as a gateway to other drugs and the legalization of it to as a marketing tool for more people to get addicted to it. Medicinal Marijuana is good, Nicotine Marijuana is bad. And uhhh I don't know, if anyone can tell me the answer to this question, they get a Mysterious ThingyMaBobber. How do you tell the difference between Medicinal Marijuana, Regular Marijuana (Marijuana w/ 0 Nicotine, but not made with pronounced medicinal properties), and Marijuana w/ Nicotine?
3: If anyone can name a Socialist-type Government that lived over 100 years, with its people very happy and content, please let me know.  I will give you uhhhhh...... A Mysterious Something.
4: I want to say more, but someone is about to give a speech and I need to listen. :)

1: Only when certain properties are pronounced and other certain properties are taken away entirely.
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« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2014, 03:28:21 PM »

And uhhh I was reading from the first page for my first post. Lol :P
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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2014, 02:33:33 AM »

Social
- Democracy is needed in communist
- Abortion should be legals, they are a personal choice
- Gay Marriage should be recognized. and going further, voluntary polygamist and incestuous (Brother sister) Marriage should be recognized too.
- Desecration of nationals flags should be legal
- State must be secular and neutral
- State should protect freedom of speech
- State should not limit voting rights but should expend it as much as possible.
- Judges must be independent, a judge cannot be member of a political parties and must let his political opinions away, so he can base his judgement on the fact and on the constitution, if Canada did not had that, we would not have Bedford jugement, decriminalization of prostitution
- Prostitution should legal and recognized.
- Marijuana should be legal, but that, I am sure you saw it coming, it is a logical conclusion.
- Man and woman should always equal
- third sex or intersex should recognize and made equal to man and woman.

Economics
- Healthcare should free and universal,
- Education should a right and free all the way to university.
- I support Food stamps.
- I support child benefits, as a way to help, child benefits should be given to all, no matter the wealth or the family, may it be traditional, monoparental or homosexual
- Cooperatives and mutual are prefered to private entreprises, in the end, private property should be outlawed.
- personnal property should not outlawed.
- environment should be strongly protected by a big ministry of environment.
- Renewable Energy should completely replace fossil energy, that mean oil is best when not exploited.
- Taxes should be very high on the wealthy and low on the poor, as a form of redistribution of the wealth,
- Wildlife should be protected with the strongest effort and free kill or fun hunting should be banned, just like ownership of wild animals must be banned

- The individual citizen has no influence in the direction of a communist country. Additionally, a communist society also does not have influence on its government, (contrary to the general philosophy that a communist state is run by the people for the people in a manner that promotes collective equality) as the all-encompassing government is or will eventually be the sole decision-making entity at some point in the concerned country's history.
In a communist society such as the one you idealize, Darkylighty, you personally have no influence on the direction of your country, any votes you cast make no difference in the success or failure of your nation. Only the politicians in your country's government are able to make executive, legislative, and judicial decisions. Examine human history as if it were a diary, instead of a document of historical events. In every corner of the world throughout history, you may understandably come to the conclusion that those who are given all-encompassing top-down power to be utilised as they see fit without any appropriate system of checks and balances are often prone to making poor decisions, to say the least.

- In situations in which a man and a woman willingly engaged the other in sexual intercourse, a resulting pregnancy is no longer a personal issue; instead being rendered a shared issue between the two individuals, as the DNA of the developing child is comprised of samples from both parties. With pre-emptive contraceptives as readily available as they are in all communities, from financially-stable to troubled areas, pregnancies between adults who consented to provide the other with sexual intercourse must be considered binding, and consequentially do not qualify for a termination procedure.
Unqualified termination of a child by parents who willingly engaged the other in sexual intercourse is legally comparable to pre-meditated homicide, infanticide, and child endangerment.

- Marriage as it is currently known is a traditional event held to commemorate the love between a man and a woman before the eyes of God in various global religions, including Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, and so on. As a result, it is to be treated as any other event based in personal religion, such as a baptism in Christianity, and is thus protected under the first amendment of the Constitution as an expression of personal belief. The act of a state or a body of government ruling that any house of religion be required to service individuals who do not meet the sacred definition of marriage as practiced in that house of religion is unconstitutional.

- Desecration of national flags is an act protected under the first amendment as an expression of personal opinion.

- It is not the responsibility of the state to acknowledge an individual's right to free speech, rather it is the responsibility of the federal government; although many representatives of the state do respect the right of the individual to express their opinion.

- All legal residents of the United States are permitted to cast votes. An issue you may be referring to is the increasingly necessary desire of the American public to require voters present a piece of identifying information, such as a photo ID or Social Security card, (the same requirements one faces in order to purchase cigarettes or alcohol at supermarkets) at voting booths prior to casting their ballot, in an effort to curb voting fraud due to repeat votes or non-citizen votes (or votes cast by deceased or imaginary people; issues that have become increasingly more prevalent during the 2008-2012 presidential elections, with some counties in the country having a 100% Democrat turnout - a mathematical-by-geographical impossibility, as well as evidence of certain individuals having personally voted for the same candidate on more than one occasion).

- There is no constitutional way to enforce all ruling judges have no personal political opinion without infringing on his first amendment right to practice free speech - essentially, his right to have an opinion.

- Prostitution is classically the consensual act of sexual intercourse or performance between two or more consenting individuals (not necessarily adults).
There is no constitutional way to reasonably regulate prostitution without infringing on the involved individuals' first amendment right. Under your belief that prostitution should be a legal business practice, I could ask you to provide photo documentation of each and every person you have had a sexual exchange with in the past six months for documentation, medical, federal and local taxation purposes, as I would with any other business. In America, you would have the right to not provide me with that information.

- Marijuana is a substance that consistently alters and impairs the condition of the user, and is thus comparable to any other drug that many of its users wish to distance it from so as to present the drug in a more favorable manner; often in 'medical' terms, despite the substance having no practical medical use besides its impairment effects on the nervous system (acting as a pain killer, when pain killers without the psycho-active effects commonly exist). For that reason, it is considered a federally-controlled substance, meaning it remains an illegal substance to possess or consume, regardless of individual states considering it a legal substance to possess or consume.

- Men and women are equal in that they both enjoy the same natural rights under the Constitution. It is the discretion of individual governing bodies or businesses to treat the two in equal or dissimilar ways. If you were particularly vocal about the issue of gender equality in America, I'd suggest starting from the top down, with the difference in compensation rates for men and women who perform the same duties as those of the opposite gender in the offices of the Obama administration, which ironically displays a compensatory bias towards its male employees while outwardly proclaiming an interest in attaining pay equality for women (an example of political barrel-scraping, to cultivate and market to a voting body; in this case, women voters).

- 'Intersex' is a non-medical term most appropriately applied to men or women who are either masculine in genetic make-up, or feminine in genetic make-up, who suffer from medical or physical conditions that cause them to possess or lack deformed genitalia. Consequentially, the affected individuals are comparable to any other individuals who lack genitalia (a male soldier who has lost his lower half from mortar fire lacks genitalia, yet is still a human male by his genetic make-up). By contrast, individuals who suffer from a (rare) condition that provides them with the genetic sequence of the opposite gender, despite possessing contradictory physical characteristics at birth are legally classified under the gender that corresponds to their physical characteristics. There are no further naturally-occurring genders besides 'Man' or 'Woman' in natural life.

- There is no such thing as 'free', in life. Picking and eating a berry from a vine in your area took work to produce; local wildlife, yourself included, as well as plants and other species of life work in an ongoing cycle to produce enough oxygen to sustain and cultivate the energy it requires to produce that berry you've eaten. Naturally, this extends to social situations between human beings. Requiring work to be 'free' or, more appropriately, taxpayer-funded, is contrary to commonly-adopted interpretation of the Constitution as a living document written to preserve a human being's natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; as exemplified in a wide variety of state and federal legal actions made in opposition to the recently-adopted Affordable Care Act.

- It is impossible to outlaw private property while preserving 'personal property'. To legally restrict an individual from his possessions is an offence against his fourth amendment right to security from unreasonable searches and seizure of property. I've noted this previously - this is a primary example of why communism and its related philosophies are impractical in a human society.

- The environment is already 'protected' by a variety of well-funded federal and international organizations, including the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of the United States. During the American federal budget sequester of last year, which restricted government agency procedures to minimum operation levels, it was noted that only 10% of the EPA's standard operating level is considered 'essential' to meet operation needs.

- As they currently exist, renewable sources of energy are unable to compete with natural gas resources in terms of cost, longevity, and distribution. It can be reasonably noted that by federally restricting the cultivation of natural North American fossil fuels, one actually increases the risk of unsafe practices that do actually cause immediate harm to local environments and wildlife (as seen with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill in 2010: British Petroleum was restricted from cultivating natural gas from land-based American resources in the area, which forced the company to cultivate natural gas from several hundred yards out to sea, so as to continue to meet global gasoline demand).

- To tax the wealthy in a manner intended to take in larger amounts of taxes from their income than one would take from other members of society is comparable to a financial penalty based on an individual's income. Legal financial definition of what defines an individual's income as 'wealthy' is subject to wage inflation, and is thus an unrealistic regulation to enforce, which in practice defies a human being's commonly-understood natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (it is not the discretion of a governing body to penalize a working individual any more or any less through tax regulation based on the rate of income their employer deems appropriate for the work performed - although many bureaucrats would disagree). To penalize the rich and give to the poor à la Robin Hood is a philosophy comparable to communism in that it succeeds in theory alone, and is not conducive to a society comprised of working citizens who possess inalienable natural rights.

- Global wildlife from endangered to common are already protected under a variety of federal and local laws. Sport and game hunting is a regulated business comparable to any other type of business, as both possess the same constitutional rights as any other business run by citizens. To restrict their ability to operate based on personal dislike for their business infringes on the business owners' right to practice free speech. To do so would also likely include regulation and seizure of the materials those businesses use to function, including their hunting equipment, which can be noted as an unreasonable seizure of property, circumventing the fourth amendment right of that business to security from unreasonable seizure of property.

You can see how ideas like the ones you've proposed seem perfectly fine in text, but are realistically impractical. Personally, I find ideas such as 'taking from the rich, giving to the poor', 'equality for all men and women', 'protect the environment', 'protect the wildlife' quite attractive concepts, as they all aim to compensate for the many unfortunate things that exist in the world. Very few people would argue that vague concepts of 'equality' and 'environmental responsibility' aren't noble concepts, but the issue isn't a case of detesting people who disagree and labeling them 'sexists', 'racists', 'bigots', 'homophobes' simply because I disagree (as many people who share your philosophy practice regularly).
Your ideas are quite beautiful, in all honesty, but all in all, the most unpleasant fact of life on Earth is that it simply isn't ever going to be a perfect place to be - a law that left-wing policy won't ever be able to change, regardless of how heavily it regulates what it perceives as imperfection.

The fact that life is able to be sustained on a planet like this in such a violent universe is hard enough to believe already. Do what you can here, it isn't exactly Heaven.

And for the record, America is a Democratic Republic.
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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2014, 08:17:45 AM »

@Taxes: Do you think we need a separate topic? I doubt that I have much to say, but I think it would be cool if there was a way to have no taxes whatsoever, and somehow get what the Gov't needs through donations/things people buy from the Gov't/insurances/other super-complex methods...) At least then, we could avoid the confusions that taxes may bring. Although, that might seem impractical... but still, I can brainstorm. Sometimes I wonder if technology could bring us closer to that opportunity.

@"free" = Well, yeah, free in its true form might not exist, but I think he means what can be easily done with little thought/work. Think of it like rounding a figure... if something costs $9.99, you might say it's worth $10.

Renewable energy sources: Windmills(probably) (air), solar panels (sun), and something to do with water ; I guess we just wait for solar panels to fall in price and money devalues further (inflation)?
Edit again: JPosted a few days ago: http://phys.org/news/2014-10-solar-cell-power-world-battery.html

@work/high tech: Well, there are some rewards sites, but they're not all that practical because it requires a lot of work to gain small amounts, so yeah. Other work-at-home jobs probably require actually doing an application? (Like a transcriptionist job where you type everything in an audio clip.)

If anyone actually reads the entire wall of text that Majora posted, let me know by responding to every bit of it.
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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2014, 10:59:33 PM »

Social
- Democracy is needed in communist
- Abortion should be legals, they are a personal choice
- Gay Marriage should be recognized. and going further, voluntary polygamist and incestuous (Brother sister) Marriage should be recognized too.
- Desecration of nationals flags should be legal
- State must be secular and neutral
- State should protect freedom of speech
- State should not limit voting rights but should expend it as much as possible.
- Judges must be independent, a judge cannot be member of a political parties and must let his political opinions away, so he can base his judgement on the fact and on the constitution, if Canada did not had that, we would not have Bedford jugement, decriminalization of prostitution
- Prostitution should legal and recognized.
- Marijuana should be legal, but that, I am sure you saw it coming, it is a logical conclusion.
- Man and woman should always equal
- third sex or intersex should recognize and made equal to man and woman.

Economics
- Healthcare should free and universal,
- Education should a right and free all the way to university.
- I support Food stamps.
- I support child benefits, as a way to help, child benefits should be given to all, no matter the wealth or the family, may it be traditional, monoparental or homosexual
- Cooperatives and mutual are prefered to private entreprises, in the end, private property should be outlawed.
- personnal property should not outlawed.
- environment should be strongly protected by a big ministry of environment.
- Renewable Energy should completely replace fossil energy, that mean oil is best when not exploited.
- Taxes should be very high on the wealthy and low on the poor, as a form of redistribution of the wealth,
- Wildlife should be protected with the strongest effort and free kill or fun hunting should be banned, just like ownership of wild animals must be banned

- The individual citizen has no influence in the direction of a communist country. Additionally, a communist society also does not have influence on its government, (contrary to the general philosophy that a communist state is run by the people for the people in a manner that promotes collective equality) as the all-encompassing government is or will eventually be the sole decision-making entity at some point in the concerned country's history.
In a communist society such as the one you idealize, Darkylighty, you personally have no influence on the direction of your country, any votes you cast make no difference in the success or failure of your nation. Only the politicians in your country's government are able to make executive, legislative, and judicial decisions. Examine human history as if it were a diary, instead of a document of historical events. In every corner of the world throughout history, you may understandably come to the conclusion that those who are given all-encompassing top-down power to be utilised as they see fit without any appropriate system of checks and balances are often prone to making poor decisions, to say the least.
We are not talking about the same countries, because if you view China as Communism, I do not view China as communism, Democracy is essential to Communism, as in any other system, a appropriate system of division of power, but not necessary checks and balances, Britain system work on the principe of cooperation of power instead of check and balance and it does not give much more of a dictatorsip then the US. A system which give no balance to the power of the boss is worth nothing. The society I Dream of is a place where you are in a collective and you are given the right to vote on the way your business is employed.

- In situations in which a man and a woman willingly engaged the other in sexual intercourse, a resulting pregnancy is no longer a personal issue; instead being rendered a shared issue between the two individuals, as the DNA of the developing child is comprised of samples from both parties. With pre-emptive contraceptives as readily available as they are in all communities, from financially-stable to troubled areas, pregnancies between adults who consented to provide the other with sexual intercourse must be considered binding, and consequentially do not qualify for a termination procedure.
Unqualified termination of a child by parents who willingly engaged the other in sexual intercourse is legally comparable to pre-meditated homicide, infanticide, and child endangerment.
It is one, it is not like the father have no responsabilities when having sex with a woman and creating a child, no matter what happen, you are the father of the children if they are born, but it is not because a life is formation that the ormation will be complete, it can fail, the baby can dies in the mother's womb before being born, is that comparable to an infanticide ? of course not, the body of the woman belong to the woman, if we men where the one to bear childre, abortion would legal long time ago.
Hoverer, it is not like someone favour abortion, you won't find a doctor whose goal is to complete the most abortion possible, abortion is not a pretty procedure, it is simply the right of the woman to refuse to be a mother, just as a man can opt for vasectomy if he does not want to have children, we can't consider men who undergo vasectomy to be mass murderer.
And be realist, featus teleportation, to transport the child of unwilling women into wiling ones is not here, I would approuve it but it is not possible.

- Marriage as it is currently known is a traditional event held to commemorate the love between a man and a woman before the eyes of God in various global religions, including Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, and so on. As a result, it is to be treated as any other event based in personal religion, such as a baptism in Christianity, and is thus protected under the first amendment of the Constitution as an expression of personal belief. The act of a state or a body of government ruling that any house of religion be required to service individuals who do not meet the sacred definition of marriage as practiced in that house of religion is unconstitutional.
that is one way to define religious Mariage, but you can't forbid two man or two woman to get married. two Man have the right to love each other, the government or individual does not the right to step in other personnal lives, after all, you won't see me entering your life and telling you that you should not eat any meat anymore.


- Desecration of national flags is an act protected under the first amendment as an expression of personal opinion.
That is right and correct, it is a political opinion or it is just flag...

- It is not the responsibility of the state to acknowledge an individual's right to free speech, rather it is the responsibility of the federal government; although many representatives of the state do respect the right of the individual to express their opinion.
The state for me, has the right to put acceptable limit in democracy ot the right of person, such as forbidding someone from publicy encourageing the extermination of all red-heads. that speech is not acceptable in democracy or in a free state.

- All legal residents of the United States are permitted to cast votes. An issue you may be referring to is the increasingly necessary desire of the American public to require voters present a piece of identifying information, such as a photo ID or Social Security card, (the same requirements one faces in order to purchase cigarettes or alcohol at supermarkets) at voting booths prior to casting their ballot, in an effort to curb voting fraud due to repeat votes or non-citizen votes (or votes cast by deceased or imaginary people; issues that have become increasingly more prevalent during the 2008-2012 presidential elections, with some counties in the country having a 100% Democrat turnout - a mathematical-by-geographical impossibility, as well as evidence of certain individuals having personally voted for the same candidate on more than one occasion).
 
Is having the right to vote enough, I can give you the right the vote, but only have a single voting night, which is Sunday night, when you work, Voting fraud is something that will always exist, it happens in all parties, even in your, but voting fraud does not affect the result of the elections.


- There is no constitutional way to enforce all ruling judges have no personal political opinion without infringing on his first amendment right to practice free speech - essentially, his right to have an opinion.
Being a judge and being a person are two different thing and it is well done in Canada, in our country, judges are neutral and only refer themselves to the constitution and the fact, otherwise, if we had conservative judges, we would never have the Bedford judgement. it is possible, hoverer, your pratice are at fault, I can't believe a conservative judge is neutral.


- Prostitution is classically the consensual act of sexual intercourse or performance between two or more consenting individuals (not necessarily adults).
There is no constitutional way to reasonably regulate prostitution without infringing on the involved individuals' first amendment right. Under your belief that prostitution should be a legal business practice, I could ask you to provide photo documentation of each and every person you have had a sexual exchange with in the past six months for documentation, medical, federal and local taxation purposes, as I would with any other business. In America, you would have the right to not provide me with that information.
prostitution is not only sex, it is a work, and there is a way to regulate prostitution just as there is a way to regulate the banks, see New Zeland and Swizterland regulations of prostitution


- Marijuana is a substance that consistently alters and impairs the condition of the user, and is thus comparable to any other drug that many of its users wish to distance it from so as to present the drug in a more favorable manner; often in 'medical' terms, despite the substance having no practical medical use besides its impairment effects on the nervous system (acting as a pain killer, when pain killers without the psycho-active effects commonly exist). For that reason, it is considered a federally-controlled substance, meaning it remains an illegal substance to possess or consume, regardless of individual states considering it a legal substance to possess or consume.
Alcohol is not really different then Marijuana, it harm the user. we should not criminalize the harm you are doing on your body, if i take marijuana in my bedroom I will the one to be sick the morning, not you, as I long I don't harm someone else then me, I should not be prosecute.


- Men and women are equal in that they both enjoy the same natural rights under the Constitution. It is the discretion of individual governing bodies or businesses to treat the two in equal or dissimilar ways. If you were particularly vocal about the issue of gender equality in America, I'd suggest starting from the top down, with the difference in compensation rates for men and women who perform the same duties as those of the opposite gender in the offices of the Obama administration, which ironically displays a compensatory bias towards its male employees while outwardly proclaiming an interest in attaining pay equality for women (an example of political barrel-scraping, to cultivate and market to a voting body; in this case, women voters).
I disagree with you, on same work by men and women, same pay, this should be mandatory for the state, but is far from a reality, sadly.


- 'Intersex' is a non-medical term most appropriately applied to men or women who are either masculine in genetic make-up, or feminine in genetic make-up, who suffer from medical or physical conditions that cause them to possess or lack deformed genitalia. Consequentially, the affected individuals are comparable to any other individuals who lack genitalia (a male soldier who has lost his lower half from mortar fire lacks genitalia, yet is still a human male by his genetic make-up). By contrast, individuals who suffer from a (rare) condition that provides them with the genetic sequence of the opposite gender, despite possessing contradictory physical characteristics at birth are legally classified under the gender that corresponds to their physical characteristics. There are no further naturally-occurring genders besides 'Man' or 'Woman' in natural life.
Intersex is not only that, people are not always man or woman, there exist other types of sexuality such as genderqueer, the biological and the social side of the sex are completly different, two people can misleading sexual organ, such as being a female with a Penis, yet one may think her penis should be remplaced with a vagina, while the one could believe her penis is part of her/his sexual identity.


- There is no such thing as 'free', in life. Picking and eating a berry from a vine in your area took work to produce; local wildlife, yourself included, as well as plants and other species of life work in an ongoing cycle to produce enough oxygen to sustain and cultivate the energy it requires to produce that berry you've eaten. Naturally, this extends to social situations between human beings. Requiring work to be 'free' or, more appropriately, taxpayer-funded, is contrary to commonly-adopted interpretation of the Constitution as a living document written to preserve a human being's natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; as exemplified in a wide variety of state and federal legal actions made in opposition to the recently-adopted Affordable Care Act.
People have natural rights, saying something is free, does not mean it growth from the trees or fall from the sky, I oppose force-work, if someone does not want to work, he should be free to not work, and live with the consequence of his decision, but it is not like not working is always a personnal decision, people can fail to find work, but they really want to work.


- It is impossible to outlaw private property while preserving 'personal property'. To legally restrict an individual from his possessions is an offence against his fourth amendment right to security from unreasonable searches and seizure of property. I've noted this previously - this is a primary example of why communism and its related philosophies are impractical in a human society.
NO, this is proof you does not understand the distinction between the two, private property introduce a strengh rapport between two classe, personnal property only relate to you, like your body is the most easy exemple of personnal property, no one  can claim your body away from you, you are free to do what you want with you body, even if it is ugly,
after all, it is yours,
I oppose private property, and view state property as an exemple of private property with only the state remplacing the boss.

- The environment is already 'protected' by a variety of well-funded federal and international organizations, including the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of the United States. During the American federal budget sequester of last year, which restricted government agency procedures to minimum operation levels, it was noted that only 10% of the EPA's standard operating level is considered 'essential' to meet operation needs.
Just because a law exist, it does not mean it is enough, and the protection we give to the environment right now is not acceptable. just because there is law, it does not the law is good.


- As they currently exist, renewable sources of energy are unable to compete with natural gas resources in terms of cost, longevity, and distribution. It can be reasonably noted that by federally restricting the cultivation of natural North American fossil fuels, one actually increases the risk of unsafe practices that do actually cause immediate harm to local environments and wildlife (as seen with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill in 2010: British Petroleum was restricted from cultivating natural gas from land-based American resources in the area, which forced the company to cultivate natural gas from several hundred yards out to sea, so as to continue to meet global gasoline demand).

Don't blame the compagny decision on law restriction, come on, the reason there was a spill is become of a lack of security from the part of the compagny and reuiqred by the law, it could have happen to any other campagny.
Just because they are not able to complete, it does not justify the use of fossil energy is justified, we cannot be allowed to pollute the planet as we are doing right now. after all, you said there is nothing free, well, from an environmental point of view the use of fossil energy is much costly then the use of renewable energy, after all, we only 1 planet, we can't hope to find a new one after we are done with it like we can do with a portable.


- To tax the wealthy in a manner intended to take in larger amounts of taxes from their income than one would take from other members of society is comparable to a financial penalty based on an individual's income. Legal financial definition of what defines an individual's income as 'wealthy' is subject to wage inflation, and is thus an unrealistic regulation to enforce, which in practice defies a human being's commonly-understood natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (it is not the discretion of a governing body to penalize a working individual any more or any less through tax regulation based on the rate of income their employer deems appropriate for the work performed - although many bureaucrats would disagree). To penalize the rich and give to the poor à la Robin Hood is a philosophy comparable to communism in that it succeeds in theory alone, and is not conducive to a society comprised of working citizens who possess inalienable natural rights.
it is not a penalty, it is a limit to how much money one can accumulate, after all, you don't need 20 billion to live a confrotable life, you only need 1 and even less then one in many cases. Money does not make happiness, and so, Progressives taxes are not a limit on people's happiness, it is more unfair to taxes the poor the same way as millionnaires. Everyone as the right to life liberty and happiness, not just those who succeed, not just the member of the communist party of china or the member of the American Republican party, everyone on Earth.
there is a limitted ammout of money on earth, the only way to redistribute wealth is to take from the wealthy and to give to the poor, take from those who do not need as much as they have, to give to those who need it.


- Global wildlife from endangered to common are already protected under a variety of federal and local laws. Sport and game hunting is a regulated business comparable to any other type of business, as both possess the same constitutional rights as any other business run by citizens. To restrict their ability to operate based on personal dislike for their business infringes on the business owners' right to practice free speech. To do so would also likely include regulation and seizure of the materials those businesses use to function, including their hunting equipment, which can be noted as an unreasonable seizure of property, circumventing the fourth amendment right of that business to security from unreasonable seizure of property.
How would you react if some aliens come down from tthe outer space, take you away from the USA and put you in Russia, then say, you are a going to live in Russia. well, the wild animals have a similar right then you do to live in the country of your choice, they have the right to live in their natural habitat to not be hunted for fun. A lion does not eat gazelle for fun, but to feed himself, if he is not hungry, he will not hunt them down, a lion does not hate gazelle, so why we give ourselves the right to hunt animals, might as well give the right to aliens to hunt us for fun. ..


You can see how ideas like the ones you've proposed seem perfectly fine in text, but are realistically impractical. Personally, I find ideas such as 'taking from the rich, giving to the poor', 'equality for all men and women', 'protect the environment', 'protect the wildlife' quite attractive concepts, as they all aim to compensate for the many unfortunate things that exist in the world. Very few people would argue that vague concepts of 'equality' and 'environmental responsibility' aren't noble concepts, but the issue isn't a case of detesting people who disagree and labeling them 'sexists', 'racists', 'bigots', 'homophobes' simply because I disagree (as many people who share your philosophy practice regularly).
Your ideas are quite beautiful, in all honesty, but all in all, the most unpleasant fact of life on Earth is that it simply isn't ever going to be a perfect place to be - a law that left-wing policy won't ever be able to change, regardless of how heavily it regulates what it perceives as imperfection.

taht is your conception, because you do not have the same conception of human rights as I, no wonder you cannot see eye to eye with me, if we do not the same conception of human rights. I give rights to animals, there is no way we can agree because we do not even agree on the definition of article of the same constitution, once again, that is why judicial independance is crucial, the constitution must not be interpret as a liberal or as a conservative way... must be neutral, based on the facts.


The fact that life is able to be sustained on a planet like this in such a violent universe is hard enough to believe already. Do what you can here, it isn't exactly Heaven.
it is not like that fact is granted, life appeared on this planet and it can disappear, we make it disappear,, we need to responsable with our ressource and not waste them or over exploit our planet, after all, we don't have two planet, once all fish are eaten, once all rivers are poisonned, once all trees are cutted down, you will discover that you cannot eat money.


And for the record, America is a Democratic Republic.
That is not much important, the name you give to your regime does not make the regime, North Korea call themselves a democratic people's republic and they are not.
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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2014, 11:37:09 PM »

Sorry if I offended you, Darkylighty. If I did, let me know, and I will try to compensate for it in the future.

One reason I think Communism is bad is a historical example you previously left out. Jamestown, one of the first colonies of the U.S, just so happened to try Communism out. It resulted in almost everyone being lazier, making productions costs extremely low. This almost caused a famine. Due to this, their leader made the famous quote, "He who doesn't work does not eat."

I firmly believe with the communistic idea that he who cannot work should be able to eat. However, I do not think people who CAN work should receive benefits when they do NOT work. Here is where I find error with Communism. Also, while we are at it, I just want to point out how fast early America became a large and powerful nation under the Constitution.... and how far we have fallen since then due to people looking to gain popularity using loopholes in the Constitution itself. Basically, a lot of lazy people in America have so many benefits that the workers, those who learned a skill/trade and use it for money, are not getting much for their hard work. I commend those who do work hard, which is why I do not feel that Communism and Socialism are good for a country's economy.

However, that being said:

I also disagree with most current American policies. Some policies give rise to poor people not being able to rise up in the Economy, which is not good. I also agree with what Darkylighty said about rich people not giving their money to the poor. But then again, I also see that many people abuse that. Personally, I believe that in the future, when technology becomes more high-tech, we should grant people the privilege to work instead of the privilege to be poor and get money. Really we should be doing that now- the only reason I said the word "future" was because of those who have true disabilities. For now, we could give those who do have true disabilities money to live better. That SHOULD be done. But what I do not like is the fact that many people abuse the idea that everyone should be equal. That isn't true. People who work hard for their money should be higher than those that do not. (That is why I like the whole idea of Free Market- to a point. (This point has mostly been overridden in America))

Summary: Capitalism and the idea of a Free Market only work if everybody actually wants to work. Communism and Socialism only work if nobody wants to work. Both systems are flawed, but if you take both and get the best side of each, I see Capitalism having the upper end.

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1: America is NOT a democracy. Most people fail to realize this- it is in reality a republic. Look up their definitions if you disbelieve me.
2: Personally I don't like Marijuana, but I know that it can1 be harmless (and helpful). However, I see it as a gateway to other drugs and the legalization of it to as a marketing tool for more people to get addicted to it. Medicinal Marijuana is good, Nicotine Marijuana is bad. And uhhh I don't know, if anyone can tell me the answer to this question, they get a Mysterious ThingyMaBobber. How do you tell the difference between Medicinal Marijuana, Regular Marijuana (Marijuana w/ 0 Nicotine, but not made with pronounced medicinal properties), and Marijuana w/ Nicotine?
3: If anyone can name a Socialist-type Government that lived over 100 years, with its people very happy and content, please let me know.  I will give you uhhhhh...... A Mysterious Something.
4: I want to say more, but someone is about to give a speech and I need to listen. :)

1: Only when certain properties are pronounced and other certain properties are taken away entirely.

You should read thomas Piketti, you can work hard, but it is not because you work that you are rich, you can work very hard at your job and you will stay poor, because you never had any control on your job, hard work, no pay. so please, don't give me the argument, but rich work hard, they are not rich because they work so much harder then people, especially with the Stock exchange, you can rich, with nearly no work, but with other's money. you place it and pray....
People like Bill gates are a minority, you have much more chance of being rich by marrying someone who is already rich then working hard for the rest of your life.
i plainly agree about working people being rewarded for their work, but what is good work ? why for two people who work, one gain 12 000 per years, and the others, 2 billions, that make no sense for me.

1 IN the times, we though the people could make a mistake, so we believe the poeple should vote for sage who will voted for president, in contemporary system, that is Cuba electoral system. you should get of electoral collegue are they are a ting of the past, the past when we where scared of democracy.
2 How much death Alcohol cause per years, it is legal, same thing for marijuana, if we don't control it, the organised crime will, nature hate emptyness, whenever there is emptyness, nature tend ot fill with power.
3 I don't even recognize Cuba as a socialist country. much less the URSS and I don't even know if I hate more China or North Korea,.

Luna_blade : sorry, I but yeah, I forgot about war,  I don't view war as acceptable.

And to answer Fox on losing jobs. well we don't discuss jobs, at the time, even slaves had jobs, we are discutting the working's condition and everyone deserve to get a wage on which they can live. as I said in the same post, I see no reason for a guy winning 500 times the avarage wage, maybe 5 or 10, but that is much too high and not even needed, that is plain greed.

@"free" = Well, yeah, free in its true form might not exist, but I think he means what can be easily done with little thought/work. Think of it like rounding a figure... if something costs $9.99, you might say it's worth $10.
Of course, I mean as right, but the right has a cost, just as me writing on this forum cost me time.


PS. If we are to only talk about taxes, we should put up a new topic.
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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2014, 07:18:03 PM »

Uhhh.  SO MUCH POSTS... I'm leaving this topic. I said what I wanted to say and that's it.
Thank you all for your ideas, and I hope you enjoyed mine.
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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2014, 05:45:14 AM »

@Luna_Blade: I agree, too much... Heheh... that's what you get when you bring in the political debates ! (I can see why some forums/places don't allow for discussions of politics and religion.)

And if anyone wonders why I brought up jobs, it was because I was reading a post from Role earlier in this topic...
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