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« Reply #210 on: April 13, 2015, 07:54:52 PM »

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Is there any point in the GBA editor now? OpenGoldenSun engine will render the editor obsolete as it will not be held down by the GBAs limitations providing he doesn't give up on it and doesn't release the code.
I umm... sort of disagree about the Obsolete part. Because the GBA editor can educate people about what's possible in the original games. / And can help people who are hard-core/pure to the original to hack those games.

Even when OpenGS is done, I will still be interested in documenting the rest of Golden Sun. - From there, can't say what editor work I'd have a chance in doing. Although it is an interesting project, I feel it's too time consuming/valueless for it to be worth-while outside of experimentation hacks, and some data viewing/dumping.

@Salanewt: If the makers of Golden Sun ever mysteriously released their source code, would you ever choose to do your editing in that, instead of through the compiled code? (Sure the compiled code is interesting to learn about at first, until you get bored, and then productivity decreases.) - I'm going to take a guess and say maybe not, but I just want to be sure.
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« Reply #211 on: April 13, 2015, 09:13:03 PM »

Obsolete is kinda the wrong word, Its just that there has been so little progress in the editor and then OpenGS comes along from outa nowhere and continually posts updates that surpass what I ever expected possible from a "Fan Game" to the point were it seems indistinguishable from the real thing. I'm all for the official Editor but lets face it, as it stands now, it will never be completed.  Lord Squrtle is Sala? lol I hate when people change their names, I thought you left ages ago lol!
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« Reply #212 on: April 13, 2015, 09:33:02 PM »

Yeah, I definitely see what you mean there. The editor hasn't been updated much, though we have actually done a lot of research and documented huge portions of GS2. Probably enough to make a mostly full hack by hand/hex editor, give or take a few things largely related to certain compression formats.

Also, hi! I am indeed Salanewt, but I may change my name again at some point. Either that or I'll do some Sonic '06 joke for a bit and then go back.

Fox: Hm... I'd be open to looking at it for comparisons, but probably not editing it.


And. To keep this on topic. It may take too much work to be worthwhile, but I like the idea of being able to create a "change dump" that temporarily gets uploaded to a certain page for a few hours or so that other people can download. Kind of like automatic patch uploads. Haven't put much more thought into that idea though.
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« Reply #213 on: April 13, 2015, 09:47:02 PM »

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Lord Squrtle is Sala? lol I hate when people change their names, I thought you left ages ago lol!
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Also, hi! I am indeed Salanewt, but I may change my name again at some point. Either that or I'll do some Sonic '06 joke for a bit and then go back.
I might change my name again as well. When I decide to what, and when I want to do it.

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Fox: Hm... I'd be open to looking at it for comparisons, but probably not editing it.
So it is as I thought. - If such source code was released in these days, and if it matched the compiled code quite neatly, chances are, that's when I'd stop documenting... Maybe, since like... all of it would be there, just without the address positions. - And if this had been released as open-source from the start andt had all the easy-editing capabilities, then I doubt an editor for GS by Atrius would have been made...?

"Change dump" = How exactly does that work? Do you mean just a temporary file for when you want to just hand the file to someone? (Kind of like what you would do when you have a bug in your ROM and need someone to look into it.)
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« Reply #214 on: April 13, 2015, 10:47:24 PM »

I don't think it really matters if the compiled code is the same as long as the gameplay/feel of the end product is the same.  Though I do have a pretty strict definition for "feeling" the same, the vast majority of fan games will never get something as basic in the engine as the collisions while walking around right.

The Open Source Golden Sun project is closer to what the original plan for the editor was anyway, I'd be pretty happy to see it reach a point that makes the editor obsolete.
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« Reply #215 on: April 13, 2015, 11:06:24 PM »

I don't think it really matters if the compiled code is the same as long as the gameplay/feel of the end product is the same.  Though I do have a pretty strict definition for "feeling" the same, the vast majority of fan games will never get something as basic in the engine as the collisions while walking around right.

The Open Source Golden Sun project is closer to what the original plan for the editor was anyway, I'd be pretty happy to see it reach a point that makes the editor obsolete.

Agree with this 100%, From the first video of OpenGS, You could see he was trying to recreate it faithfully. I Got the same buzz of excitement as I did from when you first stepped onto the scene all those years ago. The movement looks spot on. that second delay just before Felix climbs the vine is true to the game, wee things like that he has captured perfectly. Its a pity you stopped your original idea but i'm thankful for the editor none the less. It was perfect in terms of presentation and ease of use, a blend of the two would be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gC4TfPou0 for the vine (5.23) :P

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« Reply #216 on: September 17, 2015, 11:00:07 PM »

how bout a maximized view of the editor?
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« Reply #217 on: September 18, 2015, 12:46:30 AM »

Like the F4 key? (I believe it was...?) Or what I think you mean, which the C# editor would allow...
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« Reply #218 on: September 18, 2015, 05:34:14 PM »

No. As far as I'm concerned, F4 is just a zoomed view. What I'm referring to is something more on the lines of a way to remove the scroll bars so more can be seen at once. This most noticeable in map editing.
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« Reply #219 on: September 18, 2015, 09:59:09 PM »

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Or what I think you mean, which the C# editor would allow...
So I guess I was correct.

By the way, I think you could modify Atrius's source to make the "room" larger, and more stuff would be displayed, I think.... (But as far as changing the window size with-in the app itself, I dunno....)

http://i.imgur.com/EwJGFEL.png = This is what one map looks like in my C# editor when maximized... (Minus taskbar...) However, the scrollbar is still there.
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« Reply #220 on: December 05, 2015, 05:00:31 PM »

And I think there should be an option to clear out the entire game (except items, summons, Djinn, etc) so people can make custom maps.
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