Obama

[weckar]

so, is President Oblahblah doing any better yet?

[Aile~♥]

Ah, but anything's better than Bush, right? Bush was fail incarnate. Without the silver tongue. And people still voted him in! Twice, even! Makes me snore. :FallenKraden: And he insists that Iraq can't have nukes while hoarding nukes himself! Hippocrite much?

[weckar]

I wouldn't know, I don't really know what he's been doing. I have trouble keeping up with local news, I don't need all this global stuff cluttering my system xD

[Aile~♥]

(cue GERMANY! GO INVADE POLAND OR SOMETHING!)
Eheheheheh... wasn't trying to boost FDR or anything. He was hope, not the solution.

Anyhow, I feel that nothing's going to get better unless something drastic happens worldwide, similar to WWII. And after this, we're definitely going to have to restrict how much you can buy off of credit.

Idiots. All of them.

The problem is, next time there's a confrontation similar to WWII, there's the risk of nuclear strikes. At best, it'll be another Cold War, where both sides are too fearful of the consequences to use their weapons (luckily, this is probably what would occur). Otherwise... well, go play Fallout 3 for one way things could play out.

You're exactly right.  Unlike in the past, now we have the potential to actually destroy our enemies, and to have them destroy us back.  This is why war in the modern world is a critical threat.  The concept is called Mutually Assured Destruction, or MAD for short.  We cannot rely on a full-scale war to get us out of this, because if we do that, then there won't be anything left to come home to.

We've grown too powerful for our own good as a species - Modern Medicine inhibits natural evolutionary processes, and Thermo-Nuclear Weaponry causes cyclical war cycles to become imminent extinction events.

What's that you say?  We're not that stupid?  I have two quotes that will prove that wrong.

"Never underestimate the stupidity of humanity."
"There is no species on Earth that is so eager to kill itself over petty issues other than Mankind."

War has now become the worst case scenario, because this time there is no getting out of it.

"Only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity. And I'm not so sure about the Universe."

[Salanewt]

Yeah... Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To end WWII, Nuclear bombs were dropped on both of them. In the future, we might have another war. Many of these people are either stupid or crazy. There are good people, but they get harder to find it seems.

North Korea... Underground nuclear testing.


Please have a nice day.

[Rolina]

Yeah... Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To end WWII, Nuclear bombs were dropped on both of them. In the future, we might have another war. Many of these people are either stupid or crazy. There are good people, but they get harder to find it seems.

North Korea... Underground nuclear testing.


Please have a nice day.

Scary thing is?  The next world war won't be ended with them.  It'll be STARTED with them.

If FREAKING NUKES start WW3, then what the hell ends it?

If obama's in charge, you can sure as hell bet it won't be us ending it.  That idealistic pansy wouldn't know how to run a country if he spent his whole life studying for it, so running a war pretty much screams:  "Ha ha ha, you're ****ed."

[Aile~♥]

Why does everyone hate Obama anyways? He hasn't really had a chance to do anything wrong yet.

[Salanewt]

Scary thing is? The next world war won't be ended with them. It'll be STARTED with them.

If FREAKING NUKES start WW3, then what the hell ends it?

Maybe they will end themselves. You would think that the radiation would be trapped underground, but might leak and surface to poison themselves. If not, then WWIII might last a while,. during which other world leaders will be introduced, and they might change things.

Why does everyone hate Obama anyways? He hasn't really had a chance to do anything wrong yet.

It isn't so much as they hate him, but there are people with more experience running a country. Although there are racists that hate him for what he looks like,  they don't hate him personally, but it is just the way that he was born that they hate.


Have a nice day.

[Rolina]

Why does everyone hate Obama anyways? He hasn't really had a chance to do anything wrong yet.

Tell me, how do you pay off your credit card?  Surely not by buying more crap with it.

Not only is the FAILdent trying to pay off his card by buying more stuff, he's buying stuff that's NOT working, and is having the OPPOSITE effect.  After the stimulus passed, the amount of jobs lost was HIGHER than the estimated amount of jobs lost should the stimulus not be rushed.

He promised to cut earmarks, but the spending bill this year has OVER 9000 earmarks.  You think I'm using the meme?  I'M NOT.  THAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER.

The moron is also clearly pushing an agenda, but failing as he does so.  The dude is a freaking moron with a silver tongue who wouldn't know how to run his personal finances, let alone a nation's.

Look at the numbers, the data.  We've started shooting downhill ever since he came into office, and he doesn't even have the balls to admit that it's his fault, since he's blaming bush for everything (despite being a fscking hypocrite and claiming that it's not the time to point fingers).

Ever since he spouted that foolish word, "HOPE", I didn't trust the guy.  You don't HOPE things get better.  You use LOGIC.  You take a logical approach to fixing what's broken.  And you know what?  You learn in HIGH SCHOOL ECONOMICS that EVERY SINGLE TIME the government has tried to 'fix' a recession, they made it WORSE.  They turned the great recession into the great depression, after all.

Five bucks says that Obama flat out causes our collapse.

This post has been edited by Role on Jun 10 2009, 05:43 PM

[Aile~♥]

Ten bucks says Bush couldn't remember his speeches, never mind run his finances. Look, ok? Obama uses a TelePrompTer. Bush couldn't get his speeches right even WITH a TelePrompTer. "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

Bush was the biggest idiot any nation has ever had for a President.

It seems to me that the biggest problem with Obama is that he is using Steven Harper as his role model.

Also, it seems to me that Bush used the "foolish word" alot as well, note the word in bold.

[Salanewt]

As a result of my apology, and the fact that I made people feel bad when I wished not to, I have removed this comment.

Have a nice day.


Ooh, nice new emotes... I will pick...
 

This post has been edited by Salanewt on Jun 12 2009, 02:29 PM

[Aile~♥]

It would be nice to get an NDP or Green in sometime. I'm Canadian too!

I think that the main reason Obama is doing things wrong is that he came in at a time when we have idiot excuse-for-a-Prime-Minister Steven Harper. Obama is new at government, so he needs someone to help him figure out how it's done. Unfortunately, all we have around here are examples of how it SHOULDN'T be done. I think he recognizes the fact that Bush was an example of how not to do it, but I don't think he recognizes that Steven Harper is also an example of how it should not be done.

I'm always amazed at Steven Harper's ability to make a 40-minute speech that does not actually tell anyone anything. I seriously don't know how he does it.    

[Rolina]

Tell me, how do you pay off your credit card? Surely not by buying more crap with it.

Not only is the FAILdent trying to pay off his card by buying more stuff, he's buying stuff that's NOT working, and is having the OPPOSITE effect. After the stimulus passed, the amount of jobs lost was HIGHER than the estimated amount of jobs lost should the stimulus not be rushed.

He promised to cut earmarks, but the spending bill this year has OVER 9000 earmarks. You think I'm using the meme? I'M NOT. THAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER.

The moron is also clearly pushing an agenda, but failing as he does so. The dude is a freaking moron with a silver tongue who wouldn't know how to run his personal finances, let alone a nation's.

Look at the numbers, the data. We've started shooting downhill ever since he came into office, and he doesn't even have the balls to admit that it's his fault, since he's blaming bush for everything (despite being a fscking hypocrite and claiming that it's not the time to point fingers).

Ever since he spouted that foolish word, "HOPE", I didn't trust the guy. You don't HOPE things get better. You use LOGIC. You take a logical approach to fixing what's broken. And you know what? You learn in HIGH SCHOOL ECONOMICS that EVERY SINGLE TIME the government has tried to 'fix' a recession, they made it WORSE. They turned the great recession into the great depression, after all.

I apologize, but where was Mr. Bush from again? And where did you say that you are from again? I just want to make a comparison, that is all.

Ten bucks says Bush couldn't remember his speeches, never mind run his finances. Look, ok? Obama uses a TelePrompTer. Bush couldn't get his speeches right even WITH a TelePrompTer. "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

Bush was the biggest idiot any nation has ever had for a President.

It seems to me that the biggest problem with Obama is that he is using Steven Harper as his role model.

Also, it seems to me that Bush used the "foolish word" alot as well, note the word in bold.

Yeah, although I am, not sure if Bush is the worst president that you have had down there. I think your Nixon was worse. Obama seems okay, but there are people like Hillary and McCain who have more experience. As for Steven Harper, he is a conservative, and I prefer liberal.



Have a nice day.

Oh, this is rich.  So, are all we Texas the same to you?  I hate to break this to you, but most presidents we've had since the late 1800s have been slowly screwing us over.  Bush was NO EXCPETION.  Keep your foolish comments to yourself if you don't have any evidence behind them, because this 'progressive' movement has been slowly murdering our constitution.  Obama's wiping his @#$% with the darned thing, even using his executive immunity to get away with extortion!

Yes, his administration threatened legal action against the shareholders of Chrystler (sp?), and I woudln't be surprised if they get sued by GM's shareholders too.

THE ONLY president that I know of that WASN'T made of fail this century was A MOVIE STAR, NOT A POLITICIAN.  Reagan for the win!

Make another comment like that, though, calling me the same as Bush just because I'm Texan, and I'll ban your @#$ for the hateful comment.  You have my word on this.  NOBODY insults me by comparing me to a filthy republican or democrat, NOBODY, do you hear me?  Let alone trying to stick me with fscking stereotype!


Also, "MY NIXON"?  I'M A FREAKING INDEPENDENT, MORON!  I've ALREADY SAID SO IN THIS THREAD!  READ IT BEFORE YOU MAKE BS REMARKS LIKE THAT!  You may INSULT SOMEONE!

To embrace liberalism, conservatism, republicanism, or democratism, is to DESTROY the very thing that makes this REPUBLIC work!

Yeah, you heard me, REPUBLIC.  WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY.  We're a REPUBLIC.  Perhaps you heard about it in school?  Or were you too stupid to listen in class?  Maybe you're also too stupid not to think for yourself.  Do you believe everything the media says?  Aww, are you really that naive?

This is IDEALISM vs REALISM.

Right now, we've got so many ideals being chased after that people are forgetting to keep everything rooted in realism.  Had you read this thread, you'd see that most people posting in it hate BOTH the republicans AND the democrats.  DON'T you EVER accuse or imply that I'm one of those fools whom align themselves with a party, EVER AGAIN, am I clear?

JUST BECAUSE I'M TEXAN DOES NOT MEAN I AM AS FAIL AS BUSH WAS.  NEVER INSULT ME LIKE THAT AGAIN.

[Aile~♥]

Wow. And I thought this topic was for non-violent debating? Apparently we're serious on this issue. I personally think you were overreacting a bit, Role.

And personally, I think US politics is just a load of BS, kinda like Canadian politics.

[Rolina]

I'm not.  I am not a stereotypical person.  In fact, stereotypes are actually a form of racism.  You do NOT bring stuff like that into a debate.  I don't accuse anyone of thinking one way because of their religion, skin color, or WHERE THEY LIVE, and I expect others to be respectful enough to show me the same courtesy.  Racist comments are against the rules of the board, and although stereotyping is a minor form of racism, it is STILL a form of racism.  So I've chewed him out this time, but if he does it again, it's a permaban.

I do not wear a cowboy hat or boots.  I hate country music and western movies.  I don't talk with a southern hick accent (the closest thing I come to is the word y'all).  I am not a republican, nor do I agree with them.  AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH BUSH.  The only president so far I've agreed with that I know of wasn't a politician!  Nixon?  Bush?  Obama?  ALL OF THEM are horrible leaders.  They see the presidency as a profession, not as a service to your country.

I'm fine with poking fun at what software or hardware someone uses, I'm fine at petty name calling like 'Idiot' and 'Moron'.  But implying that since I'm from Texas, I'm just a female bush?  That's crossing the line.  That's gone from petty name calling and mockery to stereotyping and racism.  Now, I may be calmer than I was at the time of the post, but I'm still pretty pissed at the comment.

So, Salanewt, in your opinion, are you like all the reporters out there whom call me a racist pig and hater of "african americans" simply because I want Obama to be responsible with my taxes?  Be careful how you answer, this boya, because most of use are very sensible people...

If he'd even read the rest of the topic, he'd see that it's not just Obama bashing.  We've said he's no better than Bush on more than one occasion, but no, why would he read that?  He chose a side after all...  Didn't you, mister liberal?  Perhaps you'd like to open your eyes.  I am not a conservative.  I am not a liberal.  I'm someone who knows that there's more to it than just that.  That the main issue is a balance of chasing one's ideals and keeping a realistic mindset.

If you chase after ideals and ignore what's realistic (this and the last administration, and Clinton at first), you do more than you can handle and COLLAPSE.

If you stay firmly in what's realistic and never chance ideals, it's just as bad.  You may not collapse as a nation, but you face STAGNATION.  This has never happened in our nation... we've become gradually more and more idealistic.

Reagan, someone who WAS NOT A POLITICIAN, but a movie star, put the breaks on ideals and desperately tried to apply an extreme bit of realism to try and balance us out.  But everyone else?

Guys, keep in mind, never take sides.  You'll blind yourself to the truth if you do.

This post has been edited by Role on Jun 11 2009, 02:02 AM

[Aile~♥]

I never accused you of being one. But who cares about my opinion? I'm just one of those northern Eskimos who lives in an igloo.  (*sarcasm*)

[Salanewt]

Yeah, I apologize for the misconception, but I was not talking about what state you are from, I was talking about the country. Personally, I do not like politics, but I was just saying that there are reasons. I never said that you or anyone else did anything based on a stereotype. I never said that you were any of the things that you accused me of calling you, but I was just trying to say that things are different in the United States than in Canada. Similar, but quite different. So, I apologize if what I have said has been misunderstood, or taken the wrong way, but I was not trying to insult you or anyone else.

And personally, I think US politics is just a load of BS, kinda like Canadian politics.

I agree,

Also, "MY NIXON"? I'M A FREAKING INDEPENDENT, MORON! I've ALREADY SAID SO IN THIS THREAD! READ IT BEFORE YOU MAKE BS REMARKS LIKE THAT! You may INSULT SOMEONE!

Again, I did not mean you personally. I meant a presidental candidate that the United States has had in the past, not someone who you favoured (but I am not saying that you favoured this person, because I am sure that very few people do). Also, I never aligned you with a specific party, I am just making an honest

I apologize, and next time I make a comment, I will try to say my messages  differently in the future, to avoid confusion.

EDIT: Fixed grammar and typos.


Have a nice day.

This post has been edited by Salanewt on Jun 11 2009, 02:21 PM

[Rolina]

Even still, if you were talking about my country, "I apologize, but where was Mr. Bush from again? And where did you say that you are from again? I just want to make a comparison, that is all." is STILL a racist comment.  If you're not part of my nation, I fail to see how your discussion on a guy who's not fscking up your nation is relevant.


Remember, it's what you say that matters, it's what people hear.  So if you think you said one thing, but I heard it as something else, what you say doesn't matter.

Ask Jamie.  I joked around a bit about him having a mac (referring to the mac not liking anything that runs on windows), just teasing him.  But he found it offensive, so I apologized and removed the comment.

[Salanewt]

Yeah, random things interest me... Maybe I should start a new thread, maybe one that talks about... Food, yeah.

Anyway, have a nice day everyone, and with the amount of times that I have said this, then everyone should get a nice summer vacation, woo-hoo!
         

[twocows]

I've never been a fan of party politics. I think the Greeks had a good system, where everyone would get together and discuss the issues. I think that was the Greeks, at least. It's a shame we can't do that with 300 million people, but perhaps our elected representatives could be made to have regular public discussions with their electorate and agree to vote based on the results of those discussions. Just an idea. The whole point of democracy is that everyone deserves to have their say, and I don't think our system reflects that right now.

As for "World War 3," I hope Obama would take the same position as first term Wilson. Isolationism isn't always the best policy, but when everyone's pointing nukes at each other, it is.

This post has been edited by twocows on Jun 17 2009, 07:52 PM