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« Reply #20 on: 25, May, 2014, 07:49:09 PM »

I'm not actually sure why GS uses such a convoluted way to determine crits, but if you're aiming for accuracy you need two checks:

Check 1: [1/32] chance to crit.
Check 2 (if check 1 failed): [(Increased Criticals)/2] chance to crit.

If either check succeeds, apply the formula: [(base damage * 1.25) + (target's level / 5) + 6]

Intuitively, unleashes should have priority over normal crits. The check for an unleash is: [(Base unleash rate) + (Increased Criticals)] chance for unleash.

Nooow I understood... why two damn checks... and moreover divided by 2 the second one. hahahahaha

Just a question only to ensure, if I dont have increased criticals, the second check is null, right?
0/2 = 0%
just to be sure..
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« Reply #21 on: 25, May, 2014, 08:26:47 PM »

Yeah. If you have no increased critical rate, the second critical check has 0 chance of being true.

Divided by 2 because that's how it works. Increased Critical effects increase your actual critical rate by 1/2 the stated amount, but increase your Unleash rate by the full amount. (In my opinion it should have been done the opposite way, but I didn't make the game.)

Also, @Teawater's edit on last page: Do Ability Effects 41-44 also use the "+ (target's level / 5) + 6" part of the equation? I think we know for sure that 65, 68, and 89 do not. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure 42 and 44 also do not use it... 41 and 43 are unused?
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« Reply #22 on: 25, May, 2014, 09:15:56 PM »

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Also, @Teawater's edit on last page: Do Ability Effects 41-44 also use the "+ (target's level / 5) + 6" part of the equation? I think we know for sure that 65, 68, and 89 do not. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure 42 and 44 also do not use it... 41 and 43 are unused?
No, I don't think they do. Just 36-40, and Ability 1 (Attack.) From which I know of.
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« Reply #23 on: 25, May, 2014, 09:23:46 PM »

This divided by two...
If someone want a item to get 100% of crit, he has to put 200% of chance?
I think I'm gonna take this /2 off...
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« Reply #24 on: 25, May, 2014, 09:48:11 PM »

I have no particular objections. Actually, I'd be inclined to put the /2 on Unleash Rate.

So the Unleash check is: [(Base Unleash rate) + (Increases Criticals / 2)]% chance for an unleash.

This would mean that if you want to get a 99% unleash rate (it is impossible to have 100% unleash rate in GS. The game hard-caps it at 99%), you have to put +128% worth of Increases Critical effects. Since Unleashes have a general tendency to be much more powerful than a standard critical hit, and have priority over criticals, this makes sense to me.
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« Reply #25 on: 26, May, 2014, 02:47:01 AM »

Eh, but that's balancing.  He's going for a 1:1 replication. Hax included.
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« Reply #26 on: 26, May, 2014, 09:00:01 AM »

Yeah, leave the /2. In practice, weapons without an unleash are rarely used, and by the time you even start getting equipment that raises crit rate, you'll probably be using artifacts almost exclusively anyway.
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« Reply #27 on: 26, May, 2014, 04:21:08 PM »

Well, jippof was the one who suggested taking it off.

If you're going for a 1:1 recreation, the /2 has to stay on Critical chance.

If you're not, I'd recommend putting it on Unleash chance's Increases Criticals modifier instead, as described in my previous post.
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« Reply #28 on: 26, May, 2014, 06:54:33 PM »

I'll let naturally with /2 and a option for who wants to take it off.
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