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Started by Daddy Poi's Oily Gorillas, 28, December, 2019, 04:11:15 PM
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QuoteWhen I joined the Air Force I was at a point in my life where I felt completely lost. I had been out of high school for a while, was struggling to find a job and had just dropped out of college because I couldn't afford to go any more. My parents were threatening to kick me out on the street, I had very little self confidence, and pretty much nowhere left to turn at that point. The discipline, skills, and confidence that I gained from my service in the Air Force were life changing for me. I can say without a doubt that it was the correct decision and I am very glad that I did it. I can also say that it is not a good decision for everyone, and I am very glad to be out now.
Quoteincluding to people with known medical conditions who were physically incapable of meeting expectations.
QuoteWould I sacrifice the autonomy I gained by figuring out my own self discipline by having it given to me through someone who is using my life for causes that I don't really understand? This is much more of a concern because loss of life currently is a real possibility in very recent times.
Quoteemployer would love to see.
QuoteOn one hand.... Hard to say... loss of life is pretty much a guarantee/unavoidable... (Unless say, something like a rapture happens... :D) - Who knows if this life really means anything afterwards. (On one perspective.)
QuoteSo question becomes whether you want to die from natural causes/no reason... or die trying to help someone/whoever/whatever.... and be remembered for your great brave cause.
QuoteI feel like the U.S. is more likely to go after the bad guys... even so, it is likely no one country is perfect.... it would be a real shame if the "bad guys" were really the true good guys... so in that case, yeah.And on another hand... the ability to live a civilian life for a time, and do what you want... is hard to pass up. And also offers a lot of opportunities.
QuoteHmm.... what employers would be likely candidates for me? Hmmm...... While I have worked a job before, it was not a programming one...
QuoteAnd while I'm confident in my ability to program in a reasonable amount of time for the average thing.... I don't really have much to show for it. And my main two projects are an embarrassment. Kinda. (Yoshi Magic and gsmagic)... They were a bit messy.... There were also a few other things... For example, I once got the Python For Everybody certificates from coursera.org, but I really don't think those should count... they barely have you do much Python beyond the first two courses.
QuoteSo it'll probably have to be entry level... but do we have any companies interested in hiring a bunch of entry level?
QuoteYou don't need a programming job to show experience,
QuoteAbsolutely. The industry is growing in labor force. If you have coding skill and enjoy working in code I highly recommend trying this route.
QuoteThere are no "good guys" or "bad guys" here, you're going to be used as a pawn for war and get killed.
Quote(not saying I will, but it has been a what if thought in the back of my head, at least...)
Quote from: roger on 06, January, 2020, 01:10:01 PMWhat concerns me about this approach is the idea that this is an appropriate way to achieve self discipline. Discipline isn't just a matter of submission training but also a passion and love in what you do, which the military can't provide in of itself.
QuoteExercising regularly... so... even pass the entry level training stuff....?... Is that even if you already still meet the standards? Ouch. (As in like... it is easy to fall off the standards in say... a week?)
QuoteWouldn't be surprised if in the end, that if I had done it too, that I probably would have found it worth it too... but .... it's probably better I not do it. At least not at this time. - What is the minimum amount of time you can do, anyway? Or do you like... have no say? (Off the top of my head/without research... I would think, hope, that you should be allowed to set a retirement date way ahead of time (e.g. like 1 year in advance)... but not sure how any of that works.)Are there even any career types/programs that mimic military training stuff without actually being so hard-core about it? (Without requiring you to be willingly put in harm's way.) Something that allows a person (not necessarily me) to know if Military would fit them. (More just curious of the nation's flexibility than anything.) - Who knows, could be interesting to take a class like that just simply for educational purposes, even if you don't intend to dive that deep.
QuoteWere these people given an opportunity to resign? (Approval likely required.) Or is there like... no way to do so even with such conditions? (Therefore resulting in being "fired" instead of a resignation.)
QuoteAnd what types of punishments are we talking about? (50 push-ups? 50 laps? Clean some large equipment with a toothbrush? Etc? Is there even a thing called Isolation? (Which I believe is counter-productive))
QuoteYou are out now? So what is it you are doing now that you are out? (Basically asking if you found a job without much trouble after having gotten out, and what type of job? (e.g. Manufacturing, Store Clerk, etc.)) Going to guess it is not related to what you were doing in military?
QuoteDoes this mean you are planning to continue on Forgotten Dreams? (Or do any other projects?)
QuoteAnd when you were in military, what is the biggest thing you got in trouble for? If anything? Did you keep track of how many times you got "ticketed"? (Or whatever it is they do.)
QuoteHave you been gaining weight since you got out? (Sorry for embarrassing question.)
QuotePerhaps you should also update your profile here on GSHC, since you are not "currently stationed at Eielson Air Force Base," right now.
QuoteOut of curiosity, what put the thought back there? Because my take is that, knowing some of your skills and capabilities firsthand, you could easily put your skills to far greater use elsewhere.
QuoteI do want to point out that not all jobs in the military are combat related though.
QuoteHow many years will I have to serve? ▾Your initial military service obligation (MSO) will be for six years of participation (one weekend a month and two weeks once a year), plus two years of inactive status (you are no longer expected to attend drills, but you could still be activated by the President). Subsequent enlistments can be from two to six years.
QuoteHow often does the Air Force Reserve deploy? ▾Deployment depends on your AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code), the unit you're assigned to, and the needs of the Air Force at any given time.Generally there is no set deployment schedule for the Air Force Reserve. It isn't unusual to not be deployed at all. If you get deployed once in six years, that would be typical, but it could be more than that.Most likely your mission will be of a logistical or support nature. However, there are some specialties, such as Security Forces, that are more combat-oriented; and all Air Force Reserve members have to be willing to bear arms as circumstances require: for example, if you were assigned to an installation that came under attack.
QuoteWhat does a person do to live on their own? (e.g. When I looked, to buy a House for yourself without help is quite expensive. Even trailers run for five figures. =D I mean, you could take out a loan, but still.... If you found an even better option, you're sure to be kicking yourself. And pretty badly at high figures.)I guess Charon already answered, though... but I mean like.... if you are less prepared than that.
QuoteFor fun trivial... I wonder... Have numbers been posted for how many American soldiers been killed in battles for the last 10 years vs. how many different soldiers participated in those battles? (To get my hands on some percentages. Statistics is fun. =D )
QuoteI'd thank you not to assume I never had any passion or love for what I was doing, and just dismissing my entire 10 year career in the Military as "submission training." While the Military does love to try to teach you drink their kool-aid, many of us do still have minds of our own. Regardless, I'd like to think I'm still allowed to be proud of my accomplishments, and the work I did during my service.
QuoteFox, like I said before, I really think you should not be going into the military unless you want to get politically involved in what the military is doing right now, because the military is used as an international extension of the USA's reach. Everything the military does is political, which is why the military is highly controversial. The US military has done some truly despicable things in the last 50 years as well.
QuoteI figured it was fear... The best thing you can do for yourself is find other people nearby, maybe even your own family, to live with. Communal living is going to become more common as rent rates continue to climb and debt is commonplace. Explain to your parents that the situation for people in our age is simply not the same as the one they had, where rent is too high and we can't afford anything. You sound genuinely nervous. Also, focus on those career advice tips that I gave you. It IS possible to get a job without a degree in computers (I have), its probably one of the best fields for this.
Quoteunless you want to blow up brown people in the middle east
QuoteAlso, contribute towards the open source community and demonstrate your skills through building your own tools. In fact, Atrius's editor is a great example of what an employer would love to see.
Quote from: roger on 08, January, 2020, 07:08:24 AMif you were ordered to be deployed to Iraq or Iran right now you'd probably do it wouldn't you?...Even if you didn't want to go you don't have a choice because the other option is desertion which has massive consequences. But a lot of people don't even have that choice because of the impact of how information is carefully distributed and the submission training aspect of the military.
Quote from: roger on 08, January, 2020, 07:08:24 AMI think it's fair to say that this culture of submission is passed through every action the military partakes in, even the small ones, right? Due to the strict hierarchy of the military?
Quote from: roger on 08, January, 2020, 07:08:24 AMRealistically you could learn most of the stuff you learned in the military outside of it, outside of things specifically relating to defense. Hell, if you were on a defense contract and got secret clearance you would probably have access to some of the same information even. So yeah, you learned some stuff but more importantly you also learned how to listen.
Quote from: Fox on 08, January, 2020, 01:43:38 AMAnd cool @Atrius: ... But is that with a pay cut, since you no longer have to worry about dangers?
Quote from: marvin on 08, January, 2020, 01:52:56 PMQuoteAlso, contribute towards the open source community and demonstrate your skills through building your own tools. In fact, Atrius's editor is a great example of what an employer would love to see. While we're blown away by hacking tools and the work and skill that goes into making them (thanks Atrius!!!), I don't expect all employers to approve of it (I could have sworn I heard that somewhere, but I can't find the specific reference. A quick web search did give some similar opinions.) My guess is some places won't overlook it, but others won't take it seriously. I'd expect bigger companies with infamous interviews (e.g. Google, Facebook) would be far more welcoming of that than random smaller companies. This is nothing but a hunch.
Quotelets you graduate in one year instead of four, and costs roughly 1/20th the price of a regular degree…with the exact same legitimacy and earning power.
Quote from: Fox on 12, January, 2020, 03:25:12 AMLet's see... the pay by ranks: https://www.airforce.com/careers/pay-and-benefits (Surprised they actually list this.) = Yeah... those are looking a little low... (if you don't account for any of the benefits... like 30 days/year paid vacation.) - I'd say E1 pay should be obtainable in most fair-paying jobs without a degree. **Not sure if that is before tax? Maybe.** And the next ranks don't seem to have that much of an increase either.... With the type of commitment they require from people, I feel like they need to raise these values a bit. Make it simple and have it start at like $2k for E1, for example. And then have each rank-up be at least 10% more. (Possibly rounded.) (Also, I think this would be easier to see in per hour amounts... but maybe this is like this because they might do their pay checks by the month instead of by the week. = Didn't check. But if that's the case, they should raise it even more for that slight inconvenience.)
Quote from: Fox on 12, January, 2020, 03:25:12 AMSo with that, I say they are more a "stepping stone" than anything... (Like a lot of other basic civilian jobs.) I feel like for a stepping stone... Their contract should have only ever started as a 1 or 2 year one, with the possibility of continued renewal by the same increments. (1 or 2 years). I'd say that amount of time is generally enough to put on a resume at least. (If you should choose to.) - Maybe 1 year increments is a little easier to keep track of. More than two years at a time starts seeming like abuse territory. (Even if a person really believes they want to do it, I still think it'd be abusive to not take into account developments in one's head that could make a person want to end the contract sooner. And a period as short as two years.... shouldn't be *too* hard to wait through (shrug) if you want to keep your contract honest.)And yeah, definitely not plan A....
Quote from: Fox on 12, January, 2020, 03:25:12 AMThat's cool. About double pay outside of military. (I bet you're probably rich by now. Hahah... (For someone who might not own a business. That being, I'm not talking about multi-millions. - At the very least, I do think owning a business would be an excellent end-goal... I mean, even if it were like a good charity that helps people out or something. That way, it could thrive fully on donations, that would be a dream.) = Do you still do overtime? I assume you did in the military at least?)If you're around like $30+/h, that's interesting... I have a hard time imagining getting anything over $20/h without some sort of progress to a degree or proof (proof = The stuff Charon was talking about on a resume.) But I also think location might be a big factor as well, though.... :D And job hunting is always a pain to do on the internet... there's always something that basically says "don't pick me" or "you're not in a position to pick me." (e.g. If I start to see a long list of "REQUIREMENTS" rather than just "recommendations"... I already start wondering if it is a red flag.)
QuoteThe pay is a bit better than that after you've been in a while because you get BAS (Base allowance for sustenance, basically food money) and BAH (Base allowance for housing) which aren't taxed. Base pay is, and those numbers are before taxes though. Unfortunately you don't get BAS & BAH until you're allowed to move out of the dorms though, though there are some exceptions this probably won't be until you've been in about 2-3 years.
QuoteIt's expensive to put someone through basic training then a technical school specific to their career field. They want 4 years so they get their money's worth after training you. As for it being a "stepping stone" the pension used to be pretty generous making it worth doing a full 20 year career, but it's been reduced a lot recently. It used to be after you served for 20 years you would get paid 50% of your average base pay over the last 3 years of your service for the rest of your life, but now it's only 30%. You would have a hard time finding anywhere in the civilian sector where you could retire with a pension at around 40 years old.
QuoteI wouldn't worry as much about "requirements" on job listings. When I got my new job, I didn't meet half of their listed "requirements" and I don't have a college degree. I wrote targeted resumes for each position that I applied for to show that even though I didn't have the education or certifications that they "required" I had work/hobby related experience doing what they were looking for. Yes, I absolutely included my hobbyist programming, hacking Golden Sun, and making the editor on my resumes. I did previously say I used my connections while I was in to get my current job, but I also got interviews at other companies based on just my resume and actually turned down two other positions I was offered that I similarly didn't meet the "requirements for. Not all of them do, but there are a lot of places that favor experience over education and certifications. It doesn't hurt to apply even if you don't meet the "requirements" the worst they can do is say no.
QuoteIt may not be immediately clear how valuable this advice is, but it mainly boils down to one rule: Live below your means, always spend less than you earn, and save the rest
Quoteand there are ways to invest your savings so it will grow even more.
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