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« on: December 24, 2009, 03:10:03 AM »

Okay, most of you are probably wondering why I posted this. Well, I have heard that America in the future will one day have socialism, it cannot be stopped, but it can be delayed. The organization that may delay it is going to be The Church Without Walls. How many people have heard of anything like this? / I do not know much about such an organization, but it is rather interesting, and scary to think America could get socialism....
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2009, 04:34:53 AM »

Ah, but there's a problem with that theory - we're not pansy-@#$ Europeans.  We're known to fight and KILL to protect our rights.  Isn't that right, "Great" Britain?  We're not stupid, especially after being woken up by current events and the current dumbasses in office.  If they go too far, we'll change our minds about voting them out, and just go up, kill them, replace them, and undo their f***-ups.  Because we don't take crap from nobody.  Just ask the Middle East - we're STILL kicking their asses after the events of 9/11.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 05:17:28 AM »

You're all forgetting the fact that the average American has only a slightly higher life expectancy than the average Cuban, yet the US expenditures on health care per capita is almost 20 times that of Cuba's health care expenditures per capita.

Suddenly, Government run "Failcare" doesn't sound quite so fail.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 05:27:45 AM »

Name one time.  ANY ONE TIME.  Where government has done a better job than the private sector.  I dare you.  Provide sources, please, I don't belive word of mouth, I believe hard data. If you can find no data, your statement fails.

We need healthcare reform, that much is certain.  The government, known for its incompetence, is not what we need running this.  We need actual experts doing this.  I mean, when the government has to BRIBE SENATORS in order to get their votes?  I'm sorry, but breaking the law is no way to pass one.  Damn you, congressional immunity...
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2009, 05:31:46 AM »

CIA - World Factbook. Just go look at life expectancy for Americans and Cubans.

Then go to http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934556.html

Then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba

Simple enough, eh?
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2009, 06:03:51 AM »

That has nothing to do with what I asked you.  Provide me the data I asked for, otherwise the data you give (as well as your argument) are moot.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 08:03:50 PM »

Heh, well, given the total silence on your end, I assume you admit defeat and that your epic fail argument has absolutely no data backing it up.  Why?  Because Government can't run jack squat.  They've maxed their credit cards and are STILL spending.  They do NOT have unlimited resources, however, and because of this we are SERIOUSLY starting to feel the effects.

Now then, anyone else care to try?  I don't believe people, I believe data.  Numbers do not lie, people do.  The best thing that liberals/progressives can do is to is try to change the subject to get you to turn a blind eye to their total lack of hard data supporting their 'ideals'.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 09:56:37 PM »

There are lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 02:24:34 AM »

Well, bribing to get a vote is not correct, but it can hardly be worse than calling off Parliament for a few months, so all of the work by the government is wasted... Needless to say, it depends on how you are looking at it. Socialism is not good, but pretty much every type of government has something which can be adaptable to a different style of government.

Also, you might hate the idea of universal health care now (since I have read some health care hints in this topic), but it will be very helpful when you least expect it - trust me.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 05:20:58 AM »

Trust you?  Why? I'm sorry, but I want to choose my level of coverage.  Besides, here in the US, doctors cannot turn you away in the first place!  There's this thing called the Emergency Room.  They have to see you if you go there.  It's the law.  UHC is unnecessary, and way too costly!  Our nation is TRILLIONS DOLLARS IN DEBT!  It cannot afford this!  Sure, you'd not have NEAR the opposition if we were thriving and had a nice surplus, but that is simply not the case.  Besides, it's a redundant solution to an unrelated problem.  The problem being the cost of insurance...

Which, might I add, is easily solvable.  Do NOT underestimate the power of economics.  Allow for competition, and things will get a lot better.

But UHC alone isn't socialism... sure, it's a socialist program, sure, but it's not all.  You've got a LOT more problems to deal with.  Such as... hell... our own income tax system!  It charges a disproportionate amount to rich people than to normal people.  The top 50% pay 100% of the taxes.  The top 1%?  Like... oh, what was it... I think it was 30% or so.  Top ten was 50 or so.  NOT EXACT NUMBERS, I'll have to look those up.  But still... That alone causes problems.

Tax cuts?  Well, if you do that, you benefit the wealthy so much more than the poor simply because of how it's set up.  Any time you cut taxes, you can claim that the wealthy benefited the most, thus trying to villainize the guy trying to lower it.  Any kid who took high school economics can tell you this much.  That's just how it was set up... by FDR, who did the same socialist-type programs that are trying to be pushed now. Really screwed the nation, and turned the Great Recession into the Great Depression.  But he had loads of charisma, and apparently was better than the other guys who tried to replace him.  Can't say the same with Failbama.  People HATE him here.  Went from uber Approval Rates to lowest approval at this point in office in the history of our nation.

I could go on about the guy, but he's got his own topic.

ANYWHO... what we need?  A flat tax.  Say, 10% of income.  For everyone.  That's it.  Guess what?  That frees up the money in the hands of the rich... and what do they do with it?  Try to make more.  How do they do that? HIRE NEW WORKERS.  Wealth doesn't trickle up.  It trickles down.  When the rich have more money to spend, they spend it on US.  Sure, they have their own motives... but they're not that different that ours.  "Make money, succeed at life".  Everyone pretty much has those goals.

Capitalism - natural selection/evolution when applied to the economy - is a necessary force that is important in the success of civiliztion.  It is a chaotic force, and must stay so.  If you add Order to it, either via a Monopoly or goverment intervention, it causes problems.  The USA's current issues were actually caused by goverment changing the rules.  You can look it up... and I'll probably post it myself later.  Socialism and Communism are great in theory, but they rely on perfect order.  Which does not exist.  They are the utopian system, but this is the real world.  They cause the collapse of nations.

Sure, I may like UHC's coverage.  But when my nation's economy collapses because it can no longer support those policies?  That UHC goes up in smoke.  A little bit of instant gratification, followed by a long period of suffering?  Not worth it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 09:13:56 AM »

Role, I couldn't agree with you more
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 01:39:17 AM »

As do I, but especially:

A little bit of instant gratification, followed by a long period of suffering?  Not worth it.

This. Now, I don't know much of anything about government spending, but I do know that they have a tendency to spend more than they have. They seem to think the stuff comes out of nowhere...
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 09:03:26 AM »

Well, since people only live up to 120 years MAXIMUM now days.... and that EVERYONE is unique in their own ways. You will never know what the country will be like in about a few centuries.

For all I know, Socialism may not happen here in our life time. I never said when it would be coming, nor do I really know.


60+ = seniors... (70 should be everyone's goal in life, anymore are extra years.)


EDIT: I want to add alittle something to get you thinking....

If people go against Obama because they think his plans are actually leading to Socialism and were to assassinate him, what do you think would happen?

I think there would be a war... whites vs. blacks... etc.. so now you can't leave your house.. well, maybe I'm sounding a bit far-fetched.


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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 04:26:58 PM »

Well, since people only live up to 120 years MAXIMUM now days.... and that EVERYONE is unique in their own ways. You will never know what the country will be like in about a few centuries.

For all I know, Socialism may not happen here in our life time. I never said when it would be coming, nor do I really know.


60+ = seniors... (70 should be everyone's goal in life, anymore are extra years.)


EDIT: I want to add alittle something to get you thinking....

If people go against Obama because they think his plans are actually leading to Socialism and were to assassinate him, what do you think would happen?

I think there would be a war... whites vs. blacks... etc.. so now you can't leave your house.. well, maybe I'm sounding a bit far-fetched.


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Now, let me tell you something... this is the year 2010.  There is no racial minority or majority, only one single entity - that of Human.  Do you see any elfs?  Any gnomes?  How about klingons?  Vulcans?  Twi'liks? Mandalorians?  No?  Yeah, that's right, because there exists one and only one race - that of HUMAN.  To claim that you're different because your skin is different is akin to claiming that you're different because your eye color is different.  Or perhaps your foot size.  "You just hate me because I have big feet, don't you?"  See how stupid that sounds?  Grow up.  Stop living in the past.  To embrace something as EPIC FAIL as ethnicity is to instill the seeds of racism within yourself.  Essentially, so long as you view this world as black and white, YOU'RE the racist here. 

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IF Obama was assassinated, it'd not be a black vs white civil war.  It'd probably be a Progressives vs Everyone Else war.  And you know what?  This is the direction I see our nation going - a full fledged war to protect our rights.  NOT JUST OBAMA... But Pelosi, Reed, Clinton, and the rest of the whole lot of them.  I do NOT think that this is the right thing - in fact, it'd be quite disastrous for the nation.  But I've got a really bad feeling that there's gonna be a full fledged war against these people and their epic fail policies.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 06:15:31 PM »

True, but I do not think that is what he was trying to say. Do not forget that there are still many people who think in the past, and this very well may happen. There is not one race of humans that are dominant, but many people think otherwise (South Africa is an example). Looking at a different perspective, there are other countries who would actually consider going to war just because of "race". I know that this topic mainly discusses the US, but the United States has a huge influence on the world, just like Britain did until some time in the early-mid 1900s.

I have done some research, and there are other countries who would probably join in if there would be a war. I think it would be more of a cold war though, without a lot of actual fighting. Hopefully, it does not come to this (but a cold war would be better than any actual fighting, if not scarier).

Well, I can not comment on much more, since I know much more about Canadian politics than American. I am still learning though.

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