Original Boss Basis

Rolina · 31, March, 2010, 02:35:11 PM

Okay, I'm starting a game and restricting myself to the following:

1st: Fight bosses at their level. That level should be the target level of the area.
2nd: No sequence breaking. I could go get Canon and some better equipment by going to Dekkahn plateau before going to the temple, but that's not what was intended.
3rd: When no direction is in sight, quest in order of boss level
4th: When leveling, do so casually, not strategically. Do not reset if I don't like the stat gains.
5th: Use the best equipment available to me
6th: Only use Felix's team
7th: Target level is reached when the first member of Felix's team to reach said level. No waiting on Piers.
8th: Record battle in detail, posting stats beforehand.

I'm starting with the first boss: The Level 9 Chestbeaters x3

I got this idea because... It dawned on me that it's been so long since I've played I may not remember things clearly. And given my tendency to desire to bring great pain to bosses... I decided to restrict myself to the above rules. This thread is basically so that I can go back and see how the original did things without having to replay it.

The following order will be done:

L09 Chestbeaters x3
L18 King Scorpion
L21 Briggs, 4x L21 Sea Fighters
L26 Aqua Hydra
L33 Serpent
L35 Avimander
L39 Poseidon
L37 Moaba, L37 Knight x2
L43 Agatio, L43 Karst
L45 Flame Dragon, L45 Flame Dragon
L46 Star Magician, L46 Refresh Ball x?, L46 Thunder Ball x?, L46 Anger Ball x?, L46 Guardian Ball x?
L47 Valukar
L48 Sentinel
L48 Doom Dragon
L50 Dullahan

If I'm missing any from this list, let me know. I'm using the boss level as the target level for where you get to the boss. Needless to say, I can't sequence jump, so I can't do Maoba before Poseidon. I also won't be fighting, PERIOD, between those fights, unless forced to by story. Anywho, I THINK this is the order, so... if I'm wrong, or if I'm missing a boss, no matter how small, please let me know. My next post will be the Chestbeater fight.

Edit: This is going to be first of two runs. The first goes off of the boss' level. The second goes off of the level of the highest level enemy in the area of said boss. I've noticed that I'm actually grinding to get to the level of the Chestbeaters, and it's making me wonder if I should approach this in a second way... so I probably will after the boss level runs are done.

Tetsuya the Azure Blade · 31, March, 2010, 02:45:24 PM

What about the password only bosses? Are you doing the Vault thieves and the Collosso guys?

Rolina · 31, March, 2010, 02:47:41 PM

I feel as those are more common foe strength... do you think I should include them? If so, I'll add them to the list, but... I'll need y'all to tell me EXACTLY when they show up, so I don't accidentally skip them by working on the next target level...

Edit: Chestbeater log START!

My Team:

,--------------------------.
| Jenna | Lv 8 Pierrot |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 88 Attack: 48 |
| PP: 36 Defense: 33 |
| Luck: 4 Agility: 52 |
|--------------------------|
| Short Sword (E) |
| Leather Cap (E) |
| Padded Gloves (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Mysterious Card (E) |
| Smoke Bomb x 1 |
| Elixir x 3 |
| Herb x10 |
|--------------------------|
| -No Djinn- |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sheba | Lv 8 Seer |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 83 Attack: 42 |
| PP: 75 Defense: 32 |
| Luck: 5 Agility: 45 |
|--------------------------|
| Shaman's Rod (E) |
| Circlet (E) |
| Leather Armlet (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Herb x 1 |
|--------------------------|
| Echo |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Felix | Lv 9 Squire |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 111 Attack: 66 |
| PP: 36 Defense: 38 |
| Luck: 2 Agility: 44 |
|--------------------------|
| Long Sword (E) |
| Leather Cap (E) |
| Wooden Shield (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Mythril Bag (E) |
| Game Ticket x 2 |
| Herb x 3 |
|--------------------------|
| -No Djinn- |
`--------------------------'

Echo begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,--------------------------.
| Chestbeater | Lv 9 x3 |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 155 Attack: 44 |
| Regen: 0 Defense: 11 |
| PP: 0 Agility: 20 |
| Regen: 0 Luck: 24 |
| Has 1 turn(s) per round |
|--------------------------|
| Herb x 2 |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 0 |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Claw Attack x 2 |
| Beat Dance x 2 |
| Attack x 3 |
`--------------------------'

Battle START!

Chestbeater1 appeared!
Chestbeater2 appeared!
Chestbeater3 appeared!

Jenna casts Juggle!
Chestbeater1 takes 46 damage!!!
Chestbeater2 takes 56 damage!!!
Chestbeater3 takes 46 damage!!!
Sheba casts Plasma!
Chestbeater1 takes 42 damage.
Chestbeater2 takes 52 damage.
Chestbeater3 takes 41 damage.
Felix summons Venus!
Chestbeater1 takes 33 damage!
Chestbeater2 takes 46 damage!
Chestbeater3 takes 31 damage!
Felix's Earth Power rises by 10!
Chestbeater3 uses Beat Dance!
Chestbeater3's Attack rises by 11!
Chestbeater2 uses Beat Dance!
Chestbeater2's Attack rises by 11!
Chestbeater1 attacks!
Jenna takes 7 damage!

Sheba casts Plasma!
Chestbeater1 takes 42 damage.
You felled Chestbeater1!
Chestbeater2 takes 54 damage.
You felled Chestbeater2!
Chestbeater3 takes 43 damage.
You felled Chestbeater3!

Chestbeater's party was downed!
You got 120 experience points.
Jenna is now a level 9 Pierrot!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 3!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
Sheba is now a level 9 Wind Seer!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 4!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 1!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 84 coins.
You got a Nut.

Whoa, what? I didn't even get to start my strategy! I'd summoned at first to boost Felix's healing power when I needed it, and had Sheba ready to switch back to be able to heal as well. But... I killed them before my strategy even started... Crazy. I'll try that again with the Strongest Mook method, but I doubt it'll be much different - Jenna may get to attack once more, but other than that...

Huh...

Maybe it's just the whole tutorial boss status? We'll find out with the next boss.

Salanewt · 31, March, 2010, 05:23:27 PM

Wow, I had forgotten that there are not many bosses in Golden Sun. Then again, many of them have many slots in the editor. By fighting bosses at their own level, do you mean that your characters will be the same level? Otherwise, this looks like one of those challenges that people make, and the purpose is to see if they can beat the game with these restrictions. What will you call it?

Have a nice day.

leaf · 31, March, 2010, 06:00:41 PM

These target levels are definitely way off for what you actually end up at in a regular playthrough. The original GS ended around lv28-30 on a normal playthrough, and the pre-made second team comes in at lv32. I have never been anywhere near the 40s for the karst and agatio fight, and unless someone has done some serious grinding (or is playing on easy mode), neither has anyone else. And for doom dragon... if you don't do the bonus bosses, you end up at something like lv39-41. If you do and don't do any extra grinding, it's more like lv44-45 iirc. You definitely can't hit lv50 without doing some grinding... but my memory might be off on the post-bonus bosses levels, and perhaps it is indeed more like lv47-48 after all of them. I'd have to play again to see. Regardless, boss levels are not an indicator of what your actual levels should be when you get to a given boss. It seems to be only roughly correlated.

Rolina · 31, March, 2010, 06:13:35 PM

@ Leaf: Wrong, premade comes in at 28.

Given the amount of grinding I had to do, that's why I'm doing this:

Strongest mook in the area is level 6, so 6 is how I did this one.

My team:

,----------------------.
| Jenna | Lv 6 Pierrot |
|----------------------|
| HP: 73 ATK: 40 |
| PP: 32 DEF: 29 |
| LCK: 4 AGL: 40 |
|----------------------|
| Short Sword (E) |
| Leather Cap (E) |
| Padded Gloves (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Mysterious Card (E) |
| Herb x 6 |
|----------------------|
| -No Djinn- |
`----------------------'

,----------------------.
| Sheba | Lv 5 Seer |
|----------------------|
| HP: 64 ATK: 34 |
| PP: 61 DEF: 29 |
| LCK: 5 AGL: 31 |
|----------------------|
| Shaman's Rod (E) |
| Circlet (E) |
| Leather Armlet (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Herb x 1 |
|----------------------|
| Echo |
`----------------------'

,----------------------.
| Felix | Lv 5 Squire |
|----------------------|
| HP: 77 ATK: 49 |
| PP: 27 DEF: 31 |
| LCK: 2 AGL: 28 |
|----------------------|
| Long Sword (E) |
| Leather Cap (E) |
| Wooden Shield (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Mythril Bag (E) |
| Game Ticket x 2 |
| Herb x 3 |
|----------------------|
| -No Djinn- |
`----------------------'

Echo begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,----------------------.
| Chestbeater | Lv 9 x3|
|----------------------|
| HP: 155 ATK: 44 |
| Rgn: 0 DEF: 11 |
| PP: 0 AGL: 20 |
| Rgn: 0 LCK: 24 |
| Has 1 turn a round |
|----------------------|
| Herb x 2 |
|----------------------|
| AI Setting 0 |
| - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Claw Attack x 2 |
| Beat Dance x 2 |
| Attack x 3 |
`----------------------'

Let's try this again!

BATTLE START!

Chestbeater1 appeared!
Chestbeater2 appeared!
Chestbeater3 appeared!

Jenna casts Juggle!
Chestbeater1 takes 46 damage!!!
Chestbeater2 takes 55 damage!!!
Chestbeater3 takes 46 damage!!!
Sheba casts Ray!
Chestbeater1 takes 33 damage.
Chestbeater2 takes 42 damage.
Chestbeater3 takes 34 damage.
Felix summons Venus!
Chestbeater1 takes 31 damage!
Chestbeater2 takes 45 damage!
Chestbeater3 takes 30 damage!
Felix's Earth Power rises by 10!
Chestbeater3 attacks!
Felix takes 8 damage!
Chestbeater2 uses Claw Attack!
Jenna takes 30 damage!
Chestbeater1 attacks!
Felix takes 7 damage!

Jenna casts Juggle!
Chestbeater1 takes 47 damage!!!
You felled Chestbeater1!
Chestbeater2 takes 57 damage!!!
You felled Chestbeater2!
Chestbeater3 takes 46 damage!!!
You felled Chestbeater3!

Chestbeater's party was downed!
You got 120 experience points.
Sheba is now a level 6 Wind Seer!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
Felix is now a level 6 Squire!
Mastered the Squire's Spire!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 84 coins.
You got a Nut.

Yup, tutoral boss. That was way too easy, even at the lower level. They did actually ATTACK my team this time. Jenna got pretty hurt by the Claw Attack, I noticed...

leaf · 31, March, 2010, 06:51:10 PM

Oh, they do come at lv28? Where'd I get the 32 from, then...? Certainly not from my own characters... I've only ever transferred lv27/28 and lv45/46 characters... (yes, I did quite a bit of grinding in the original GS on one file so I could get pure wish for the coliseum =p).

Good choice on doing it based on the highest leveled enemy... prob be a bit more realistic that way. Although I haven't looked at the enemies much, so it might still be a flawed metric... =/

And... did you actually type all that out? As in... every line of the battle? lol

Rolina · 31, March, 2010, 06:56:49 PM

I'm still going to do the boss level one, too, but... it's only really because I don't remember what enemies are where, so when I get to where the bosses are... yeah, I'll be able to know my target and not accidentally skip over my target - which is basically having one character JUST reach that target level. No leveling the others up, due to Piers being ridiculous.

Yes, I did type it out. I want this to be an accurate log, even going so far as to posting the level up sequences, as it's still part of the battle text. I need as much info as I can, that way I have a good feel for what's overkill and what's target. And heck, even strategy discussions later on. Anywho, off to the next boss!

leaf · 31, March, 2010, 07:19:51 PM

Congrats on having the patience to log all that manually. I don't really see a reason for including the specific stat increases on level-up, though. Including the level-ups, themselves, sorta make sense at least, but you can easily look up the learned moves/general stat increases of a character in the editor.

And for the boss level one, may I suggest using the editor to adjust the exp certain enemies give so that you don't have to do a ton of grinding? Because if you have to get to lv43 for the karst/agatio fight... you're gonna be grinding for a long time.

Rolina · 31, March, 2010, 07:21:45 PM

Well, I'm gonna not do the whole thing all at once, and it's so that when I look at it and go "Oh, right, I was doing that, wasn't I!" I'll see the levels ups and go "Oh, right, no working on ideal levels!"

I should probably do one for GS1 as well after this. Probably done in the same way - boss level, followed up by mook level.

Rolina · 01, April, 2010, 08:25:44 PM

Okay, King Scorpion battle for the Mook level run is done.

My team:

,--------------------------.
| Jenna | Lv10 Pierrot |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 122 Attack: 83 |
| PP: 41 Defense: 67 |
| Luck: 6 Agility: 63 |
|--------------------------|
| Pirate's Sword (E) |
| Nurse's Cap (E) |
| Leather Armlet (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Mysterious Card (E) |
| Pound Cube (E) |
| Weasel's Claw x 3 |
| Sleep Bomb x 1 |
| Smoke Bomb x 1 |
| Mint x 1 |
| Elixir x 4 |
| Nut x 2 |
| Herb x 6 |
| Short Sword |
|--------------------------|
| Fog |
| Cannon |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sheba | Lv10 Diviner |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 151 Attack: 62 |
| PP: 86 Defense: 52 |
| Luck: 5 Agility: 62 |
|--------------------------|
| Magic Rod (E) |
| Circlet (E) |
| Leather Armlet (E) |
| Travel Vest (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Lash Pebble (E) |
| Guardian Ring (E) |
| Oil Drop x 1 |
| Sacred Feather x 2 |
| Antidote x 1 |
| Herb x 1 |
| Shaman's Rod |
|--------------------------|
| Echo |
| Iron |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Felix | Lv11 Illusionist |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 159 Attack: 100 |
| PP: 72 Defense: 68 |
| Luck: 1 Agility: 66 |
|--------------------------|
| Themis' Axe (E) |
| Leather Cap (E) |
| Wooden Shield (E) |
| Full Metal Vest (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Tremor Bit (E) |
| Mythril Bag (E) |
| Game Ticket x 6 |
| Herb x 3 |
|--------------------------|
| Breath |
| Blitz |
`--------------------------'

Cannon begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,--------------------------.
| King Scorpion | Lv 18 x1 |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 1064 Attack: 101 |
| Regen: 0 Defense: 32 |
| PP: 0 Agility: 39 |
| Regen: 0 Luck: 40 |
| Has 1 turn(s) per round |
|--------------------------|
| -Has no items- |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 1 |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Defend 53/256 |
| Twin Shear 47/256 |
| Sand Breath 41/256 |
| Desert Gasp 35/256 |
| Paralytail 29/256 |
| Poison Tail 23/256 |
| Attack 28/256 |
`--------------------------'

Battle START!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 63 damage.
Jenna casts Sabre Dance!
King Scorpion takes 38 damage!
Sheba unleashes Iron!
Jenna's Defense rises by 16!
Sehba's Defense rises by 13!
Felix's Defense rises by 17!
King Scorpion's Poison Tail!
Sheba takes 53 damage!

Felix attacks!
King Scorpion takes 18 damage!
Jenna summons Zagan!
King Scorpion takes 58 damage!
Jenna's Earth Power rises by 10!
Jenna's Fire Power rises by 10!
Sheba casts Cure!
Sheba's HP is fully restored!
King Scorpion is defending!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 66 damage.
Jenna casts Sabre Dance!
King Scorpion takes 36 damage!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
King Scorpion takes 43 damage.
King Scorpion attacks!
Sheba takes 23 damage!
Cannon is set to Jenna!
Iron is set to Sheba!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 63 damage.
Jenna casts Juggle!
King Scorpion takes 57 damage!!!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
King Scorpion takes 42 damage.
King Scorpion attacks!
Jenna takes 12 damage!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 65 damage.
Jenna uses a Weasel's Claw!
King Scorpion takes 121 damage.
Sheba uses an Oil Drop!
King Scorpion takes 103 damage!!!
King Scorpion uses Twin Shear!
Sheba takes 33 damage!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 65 damage.
Jenna uses a Weasel's Claw!
King Scorpion takes 122 damage.
Sheba casts Cure!
Sheba recovers 62 HP!
King Scorpion unleashes Sand Breath!
Jenna takes 20 damage!!!
Sheba takes 37 damage!
Felix takes 15 damage.

Felix casts Astral Blast!
King Scorpion takes 65 damage.
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
King Scorpion takes 40 damage.
You felled King Scorpion!

You got 440 experience points.
Jenna is now a level 11 Pierrot!
Maximum HP rises by 8!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 3!
Defense rises by 1!
Agility rises by 4!
Sheba is now a level 11 Diviner!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 288 coins.
You got a Vial.

Tch... Had Jenna gone before Sheba in that last round, I'd have djinn killed him... oh well. No favorite past time for me. Anywho, for the Briggs fight, it'll be a "Target is whatever the XP I get on the way there is" kind of thing. I mean, not like there's a mook level for TOWNS, you know?

Editing in Briggs fight at Mook Level!

,--------------------------.
| Jenna | Lv11 Pierrot |
|--------------------------|
|   HP: 130 Attack: 86 |
|   PP: 44 Defense: 74 |
| Luck: 6 Agility: 68 |
|--------------------------|
| Pirate's Sword    (E) |
| Nurse's Cap (E) |
| Leather Gloves    (E) |
| Travel Robe     (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Mysterious Card (E) |
| Pound Cube (E) |
| Oil Drop      x 3 |
| Sleep Bomb x 1 |
| Smoke Bomb x 1 |
| Mint x 1 |
| Elixir x 4 |
| Nut x 2 |
| Herb x 8 |
| Trainer's Whip |
|--------------------------|
| Fog |
| Cannon |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sheba | Lv11 Diviner |
|--------------------------|
|   HP: 159 Attack: 95 |
|   PP: 91 Defense: 60 |
| Luck: 5 Agility: 67 |
|--------------------------|
| Blow Mace    (E) |
| Circlet (E) |
| Leather Gloves (E) |
| Travel Robe (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Lash Pebble (E) |
| Guardian Ring (E) |
| Weasel's Claw x 1 |
| Sacred Feather x 2 |
| Apple                x 1 |
| Elixir               x 1 |
| Antidote x 1 |
| Vial                 x 1 |
| Herb x 1 |
| Shaman's Rod |
|--------------------------|
| Echo |
| Iron |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Felix | Lv11 Illusionist |
|--------------------------|
|   HP: 159 Attack: 112 |
|   PP: 72 Defense: 79 |
| Luck: 1 Agility: 66 |
|--------------------------|
| Broad Sword      (E) |
| Open Helm   (E) |
| Leather Gloves (E) |
| Full Metal Vest (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Scoop Gem            (E) |
| Tremor Bit (E) |
| Mythril Bag (E) |
| Game Ticket x10 |
| Smoke Bomb           x 1 |
| Herb x 3 |
|--------------------------|
| Breath |
| Blitz |
`--------------------------'

Cannon begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,--------------------------.
| Briggs        | Lv 21 x1 |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 984 Attack: 129 |
| Regen: 0 Defense: 29 |
| PP: 0 Agility: 76 |
| Regen: 0 Luck: 42 |
| Has 1 turn(s) per round |
|--------------------------|
| Signal Whistle       x 3 |
| Herb                 x 1 |
| Oil Drop             x 1 |
| Nut                  x 1 |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 0 |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Echo Cut    160/256 |
| Defend     32/256 |
| Attack      64/256 |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sea Fighter   | Lv 21 x4 |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 197 Attack: 119 |
| Regen: 0 Defense: 28 |
| PP: 0 Agility: 61 |
| Regen: 0 Luck: 26 |
| Has 1 turn(s) per round |
|--------------------------|
| Smoke Bomb           x 1 |
| Herb                 x 1 |
| Oil Drop             x 1 |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 0 |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Echo Cut      96/256 |
| Attack      160/256 |
`--------------------------'

Battle START!

Briggs appeared!
Sea Fighter appeared!

Briggs uses a Signal Whistle!
Sea Fighter2 appears!!
Jenna casts Juggle!
Sea Fighter1 takes 34 damage!!!
Briggs takes 41 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 32 damage!!!
Sheba unleashes Iron!
Jenna's Defense rises by 18!
Sheba's Defense rises by 15!
Felix's Defense rises by 19!
Felix casts Gaia!
Sea Fighter1 takes 34 damage!!!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 33 damage!!!
Sea Fighter1 uses a Smoke Bomb!
But it has no effect on Felix!

Briggs is defending!
Jenna casts Juggle!
Sea Fighter1 takes 34 damage!!!
Briggs takes 20 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 33 damage!!!
Felix casts Gaia!
Sea Fighter1 takes 32 damage!!!
Briggs takes 21 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 34 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 uses a Smoke Bomb!
Jenna is wrapped in delusion!
Sea Fighter1 attacks!
Jenna takes 15 damage!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
Sea Fighter1 takes 35 damage!!!
Briggs takes 21 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 35 damage!!!

Briggs is defending!
Jenna casts Juggle!
Sea Fighter1 takes 35 damage!!!
You felled Sea Fighter1!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sea Fighter2 takes 34 damage!!!
You felled Sea Fighter2!
Felix casts Gaia!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
Briggs takes 42 damage!!!

Briggs uses a Signal Whistle!
Sea Fighter3 appears!!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Briggs takes 74 damage!!!
Jenna casts Sabre Dance!
Briggs takes 37 damage!!!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
Sea Fighter3 takes 35 damage!!!
Briggs takes 42 damage!!!

Briggs uses a Signal Whistle!
Sea Fighter4 appears!!
Jenna summons Zagan!
Sea Fighter3 takes 37 damage!!!
Briggs takes 96 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 39 damage!!!
Jenna's Earth Power rises by 10!
Jenna's Fire Power rises by 10!
Felix casts Gaia!
Sea Fighter3 takes 33 damage!!!
Briggs takes 40 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 35 damage!!!
Sea Fighter3 uses a Smoke Bomb!
Felix is wrapped in delusion!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
Sea Fighter3 takes 35 damage!!!
Briggs takes 42 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 33 damage!!!
Jenna sees clearly once again!

Briggs uses an Herb!
Briggs recovers 51 HP!
Jenna casts Juggle!
Sea Fighter3 takes 34 damage!!!
Briggs takes 44 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 33 damage!!!
Felix casts Gaia!
Sea Fighter3 takes 32 damage!!!
You felled Sea Fighter3!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 34 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 uses Echo Cut!
Jenna takes 44 damage!
Sheba casts Flash Bolt!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sea Fighter4 takes 32 damage!!!
You felled Sea Fighter4!
Cannon is set to Jenna!
Iron is set to Sheba!

Briggs uses an Oil Drop!
Jenna takes 58 damage.
Sheba takes 84 damage!
Felix takes 70 damage!!!
Jenna casts Juggle!
Briggs takes 43 damage!!!
Sheba casts Cure!
Jenna recovers 61 HP!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Briggs takes 74 damage!!!
Jenna's Defense returns to normal!
Sheba's Defense returns to normal!
Felix's Defense returns to normal!

Felix unleashes Breath!
Sheba recovers 63 HP!
Briggs is defending!
Jenna unleashes Cannon!
Briggs takes 37 damage!!!
Sheba casts Cure Well!
Jenna's HP is fully restored!

Briggs attacks!
Jenna takes 29 damage!
Sheba unleashes Iron!
Jenna's Defense rises by 18!
Sheba's Defense rises by 15!
Felix's Defense rises by 17!
Jenna unleashes Fog!
Briggs takes 54 damage!!!
Felix summons Jupiter!
Briggs takes 54 damage!!!
Felix's Wind Power rises by 10!

Briggs uses a Nut!
Briggs recovers 200 HP!
Jenna summons Zagan!
Briggs takes 102 damage!!!
Sheba unleashes Echo!
Briggs takes 41 damage!!!
Felix unleashes Blitz!
Briggs takes 67 damage!!!
Breath is set to Felix!

Briggs uses Echo Cut!
Jenna takes 52 damage!
Sheba casts Plasma!
Briggs takes 47 damage!!!
You felled Briggs!

Briggs's party was downed!
You got 689 experience points.
Jenna is now a level 12 Pierrot!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 1!
Agility rises by 4!
Sheba is now a level 12 Wind Seer!
Mastered the Wind Seer's Sleep!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 4!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 1!
Agility rises by 4!
Felix is now a level 12 Apprentice!
Maximum HP rises by 8!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defemse rises by 1!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 1411 coins.
You got a Vial.

...Once again, I don't get why people say Briggs is hard. I wasn't even overleveled this time. I'd not even gotten Piers this time. I'd done no sequence skipping or anything, and was at 'intended level'. And I really don't see how he is hard. Meh.

...Though, it could be because they REALLY didn't want to attack me for some reason...

I guess I should mention now - RNG manipulation is not something that you're expected to do. As such, it's not something that will be done. If I get a rare drop, that's fine, but I won't be hunting for them in this run. Including the ubers.

Rolina · 15, April, 2010, 06:16:45 AM

,--------------------------.
| Felix | Lv22 Enchanter |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 331 Attack: 239 |
| PP: 127 Defense: 150 |
| Luck: 3 Agility: 137 |
|--------------------------|
| Disk Axe (E) |
| Thorn Crown (E) |
| Fujin Shield (E) |
| Ixion Mail (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Scoop Gem (E) |
| Tremor Bit (E) |
| Mythril Bag (E) |
| Black Crystal |
| Game Ticket x 4 |
| Antidote x 1 |
|--------------------------|
| Breath |
| Blitz |
| Ether |
| Waft |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sheba | Lv21 Shaman |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 280 Attack: 190 |
| PP: 153 Defense: 135 |
| Luck: 6 Agility: 128 |
|--------------------------|
| Staff of Anubis (E) |
| Clarity Circlet (E) |
| Bone Armlet (E) |
| Full Metal Vest (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Cyclone Chip (E) |
| Lash Pebble (E) |
| Guardian Ring (E) |
| Weasel's Claw x 2 |
| Sacred Feather x 3 |
| Sleep Bomb x 3 |
| Shaman's Rod |
|--------------------------|
| Echo |
| Iron |
| Steel |
| Mud |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Jenna | Lv21 Hex |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 289 Attack: 212 |
| PP: 133 Defense: 126 |
| Luck: 5 Agility: 128 |
|--------------------------|
| Staff of Anubis (E) |
| Nurse's Cap (E) |
| Gauntlets (E) |
| Silk Robe (E) |
| Leather Boots (E) |
| Pound Cube (E) |
| Oil Drop x 4 |
| Sleep Bomb x 2 |
| Cookie x 1 |
| Potion x 1 |
| Vial x 4 |
| Nut x 5 |
| Frost Wand |
| Tomegathericon |
|--------------------------|
| Cannon |
| Spark |
| Kindle |
| Char |
`--------------------------'

And introducing Piers, the useless boatsman!
Yes, he's useless. He's only decent when in
base class... >_> Furthermore, when I got
him, he was TWO levels ahead of everyone.
Now look at him. No deaths or nothing. He's
just that slow to level...

,--------------------------.
| Piers | Lv21 Commander |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 358 Attack: 180 |
| PP: 103 Defense: 147 |
| Luck: 7 Agility: 125 |
|--------------------------|
| Storm Brand (E) |
| Bronze Helm (E) |
| Gauntlets (E) |
| Chain Mail (E) |
| Golden Boots (E) |
| Crystal Powder x 2 |
| Oil Drop x 2 |
| Game Ticket x 1 |
| Mint x 1 |
| Elixir x13 |
| Antidote x 5 |
| Nut x 2 |
| Herb x15 |
| Trainer's Whip |
| Mysterious Card |
|--------------------------|
| Fog |
| Sour |
| Spring |
| Shade |
| Chill |
`--------------------------'

Jeez, even SHEBA has more attack than he does!

Anywho...

Blitz begins the battle in standby.
Waft begins the battle in standby.
Echo begins the battle in standby.
Steel begins the battle in standby.
Cannon begins the battle in standby.
Char begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,--------------------------.
| Aqua Hyrda | Lv 26 x1 |
|--------------------------|
| HP: 2776 Attack: 173 |
| Regen: 0 Defense: 38 |
| PP: 70 Agility: 63 |
| Regen: 0 Luck: 44 |
| Has 1 turn(s) per round |
|--------------------------|
| -Has no items- |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 1 |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Triple Chomp 53/256 |
| Raging Flood 88/256 |
| Rising Venom 35/256 |
| Drench 29/256 |
| Slaver 23/256 |
| Attack 28/256 |
`--------------------------'

Okay, here we go: BATTLE START!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
Felix summons Megaera!
Aqua Hydra takes 261 damage!!!
Felix's Attack rises by 26!
Sheba's Attack rises by 20!
Jenna's Attack rises by 23!
Piers's attack rises by 22!
Felix's Fire Power rises by 10!
Felix's Wind Power rises by 10!
Sheba summons Ramses!
Aqua Hydra takes 213 damage!
Sheba's Earth Power rises by 30!
Jenna summons Megaera!
Aqua Hydra takes 298 damage!!!
Felix's Attack rises by 27!
Sheba's Attack rises by 21!
Jenna's Attack rises by 24!
Piers's Attack rises by 23!
Jenna's Fire Power rises by 10!
Jenna's Wind Power rises by 10!
Aqua Hydra uses Raging Flood!
Felix takes 36 damage!
Sheba takes 50 damage!!!
Jenna takes 40 damage!
Piers takes 24 damage.

Shade is set to Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Aqua Hydra takes 144 damage!
Sheba casts Mad Growth!
Aqua Hydra takes 67 damage!
Jenna casts Cycle Beam!
Aqua Hydra takes 121 damage!!!
Aqua Hydra attacks!
Piers takes 13 damage!
Char is set to Jenna!
Steel is set to Sheba!
Blitz is set to Felix!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Aqua Hydra takes 148 damage!
Jenna casts Cycle Beam!
Aqua Hydra takes 122 damage!!!
Sheba attacks!
Aqua Hydra takes 89 damage!
Aqua Hydra uses Raging Flood!
Felix takes 45 damage!
Sheba takes 41 damage!!!
Jenna takes 30 damage!
Piers takes 15 damage.
Cannon is set to Jenna!
Echo is set to Sheba!
Waft is set to Felix!

Shade is set to Piers!
Felix casts Impact!
Felix's Attack rises by 60!
Sheba attacks!
Aqua Hydra takea 100 damage!
Jenna casts Healing Aura!
Felix's HP is fully restored!
Sheba's HP is fully restored!
Jenna's HP is fully restored!
Piers's HP is fully restored!
Aqua Hydra uses Slaver!
Felix's Defense drops by 19!
Sheba's Defense drops by 17!
But it has no effect on Jenna!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Aqua Hydra takes 197 damage!
Sheba attacks!
Aqua Hydra takes 100 damage!
Jenna casts Cycle Beam!
Aqua Hydra takes 126 damage!!!
Aqua Hydra attacks!
Jenna takes 9 damage!

Shade is set to Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Aqua Hydra takes 195 damage!
Sheba attakcs!
Aqua Hydra takes 101 damage!
Jenna casts Cycle Beam!
Aqua Hydra takes 126 damage!!!
Aqua Hydra uses Slaver!
Felix's Defense drops by 19!
Sheba's Defense drops by 17!
But it has no effect on Jenna!
But it has no effect on Piers!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Aqua Hydra takes 197 damage!
Jenna casts Cycle Beam!
Aqua Hydra takes 123 damage!!!
Sheba attacks!
Aqua Hydra takes 102 damage!
You felled Aqua Hydra!

You got 963 experience points.
Piers is now a level 22 Commander!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 3!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 1612 coins.
You got a Vial.

That... was a lot easier than I remember... Yay for my strategies getting better.

Rolina · 22, April, 2010, 01:16:00 AM

Highest level thing at Gaia Rock was level 25...
For that matter, just about everything at Gaia
Rock was level 25, save for Serpent.  Looks
like that was the target level...

,--------------------------.
| Felix | Lv25 Enchanter   |
|--------------------------|
|   HP:  376   Attack: 335 |
|   PP:  141  Defense: 186 |
| Luck:    3  Agility: 194 |
|--------------------------|
| Lightning Sword      (E) |
| Thorn Crown          (E) |
| Aerial Gloves        (E) |
| Planet Armor         (E) |
| Leather Boots        (E) |
| Scoop Gem            (E) |
| Tremor Bit           (E) |
| Spirit Ring          (E) |
| Mythril Bag          (E) |
| Red Cloth                |
| Bramble Seed         x 3 |
| Game Ticket          x13 |
| Water of Life        x 1 |
| Elixir               x11 |
| Antidote             x 2 |
|--------------------------|
| Breath                   |
| Blitz                    |
| Ether                    |
| Waft                     |
| Wheeze                   |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Piers | Lv24 Captain     |
|--------------------------|
|   HP:  460   Attack: 270 |
|   PP:  122  Defense: 191 |
| Luck:    7  Agility: 150 |
|--------------------------|
| Robber's Blade       (E) |
| Steel Helm           (E) |
| Knight's Shield      (E) |
| Ixion Mail           (E) |
| Golden Boots         (E) |
| Crystal Powder       x 4 |
| Lucky Medal          x 1 |
| Elixir               x 2 |
| Antidote             x 4 |
| Vial                 x 2 |
| Herb                 x15 |
| Rusty Mace               |
| Storm Brand              |
| Trainer's Whip           |
| Mysterious Card          |
|--------------------------|
| Fog                      |
| Sour                     |
| Spring                   |
| Shade                    |
| Chill                    |
| Steam                    |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Jenna | Lv24 Hex         |
|--------------------------|
|   HP:  328   Attack: 256 |
|   PP:  142  Defense: 166 |
| Luck:    7  Agility: 145 |
|--------------------------|
| Mist Sabre           (E) |
| Pure Circlet         (E) |
| Bone Armlet          (E) |
| Silver Vest          (E) |
| Leather Boots        (E) |
| Burst Brooch         (E) |
| Pound Cube           (E) |
| Dancing Idol             |
| Oil Drop             x 8 |
| Sleep Bomb           x 5 |
| Apple                x 1 |
| Potion               x 3 |
| Vial                 x 4 |
| Nut                  x 9 |
| Tomegathericon           |
|--------------------------|
| Cannon                   |
| Spark                    |
| Kindle                   |
| Char                     |
| Reflux                   |
`--------------------------'

,--------------------------.
| Sheba | Lv24 Shaman      |
|--------------------------|
|   HP:  320   Attack: 228 |
|   PP:  172  Defense: 158 |
| Luck:    6  Agility: 144 |
|--------------------------|
| Hagbone Mace         (E) |
| Pure Circlet         (E) |
| Clear Bracelet       (E) |
| Silver Vest          (E) |
| Leather Boots        (E) |
| Cyclone Chip         (E) |
| Lash Pebble          (E) |
| Guardian Ring        (E) |
| Center Prong             |
| Weasel's Claw        x 2 |
| Sacred Feather       x 3 |
| Elixir               x 2 |
| Vial                 x 2 |
| Shaman's Rod             |
|--------------------------|
| Echo                     |
| Iron                     |
| Steel                    |
| Mud                      |
| Flower                   |
`--------------------------'

Blitz begins the battle in standby.
Waft begins the battle in standby.
Wheeze begins the battle in standby.
Fog begins the battle in standby.
Sour begins the battle in standby.
Chill begins the battle in standby.
Cannon begins the battle in standby.
Char begins the battle in standby.
Reflux begins the battle in standby.
Echo begins the battle in standby.
Steel begins the battle in standby.
Mud begins the battle in standby.

My opponent is:

,--------------------------.
| Serpent       | Lv 33 x1 |
|--------------------------|
|    HP: 3536  Attack: 249 |
| Regen:   30 Defense:  76 |
|    PP:   70 Agility: 135 |
| Regen:    0    Luck:  46 |
| Has 2 turn(s) per round  |
|--------------------------|
| -Has no items-           |
|--------------------------|
| AI Setting 0             |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
| Toxic Breath      32/256 |
| Mighty Press      32/256 |
| Black Ice         32/256 |
| Briar             32/256 |
| Quake Sphere      32/256 |
| Cure Well         32/256 |
| Attack            64/256 |
`--------------------------'

Battle START!

Serpent appeared!

Felix's summons Procne!
Serpent takes 590 damage!!!
Felix's Wind Power rises by 60!
Serpent unleashes Toxic Breath!
Felix takes 58 damage.
Piers takes 35 damage!
Sheba summons Cybele!
Serpent takes 297 damage.
Sheba's Earth Power rises by 60!
Jenna summons Tiamat!
Serpent takes 469 damage!
Jenna's Fire Power rises by 60!
Piers Summons Neptune!
Serpent takes 479 damage!
Piers's Water Power rises by 60!
Serpent uses Mighty Press!
Piers takes 103 damage!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 186 damage!!!
Jenna unleashes Kindle!
Felix's Attack rises by 73!
Piers's Attack rises by 56!
Jenna's Attack rises by 57!
Sheba's Attack rises by 50!
Serpent casts Cure Well!
Serpent recovers 165 HP!
Sheba casts Cure Well!
Piers's HP is fully restored!
Serpent casts Quake Sphere!
Felix takes 15 damage.
Piers takes 22 damage!
Jenna takes 30 damage!!!
Sheba takes 23 damage!
Blitz is set to Felix!
Chill is set to Piers!
Cannon is set to Jenna!
Echo is set to Sheba!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Shade is set to Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 242 damage!!!
Kindle is set to Jenna!
Serpent attacks!
Sheba takes 54 damage!
Sheba casts Cure!
Felix's HP is fully restored!
Serpent casts Briar!
Jenna takes 63 damage!!!
Sheba takes 72 damage!
Waft is set to Felix!
Sour is set to Piers!
Char is set to Jenna!
Steel is set to Sheba!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Piers unleashes Shade!
A protective aura encircles Felix!
A protective aura encircles Piers!
A protective aura encircles Jenna!
A protective aura encircles Sheba!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 267 damage!!!
Jenna unleashes Kindle!
Felix's Attack rises by 82!
Piers's Attack rises by 62!
Jenna's Attack rises by 64!
Sheba's Attack rises by 57!
Sheba casts Resist!
Felix's Resistance rises by 20!
Piers's Resistance rises by 20!
Jenna's Resistance rises by 20!
Sheba's Resistance rises by 20!
Serpent unleashes Toxic Breath!
Jenna takes 13 damage!!!
Sheba takes 21 damage!
Serpent casts Cure Well!
Serpent recovers 167 HP!
Wheeze is set to Felix!
Fog is set to Piers!
Reflux is set to Jenna!
Mud is set to Sheba!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Shade is set to Piers!
Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 335 damage!!!
Sheba casts Resist!
Felix's Resistance rises by 20!
Piers's Resistance rises by 20!
Jenna's Resistance rises by 20!
Sheba's Resistance rises by 20!
Jenna casts Healing Aura!
Felix's HP is fully restored!
Piers's HP is fully restored!
Jenna's HP is fully restored!
Sheba recovers 185 HP!
Serpent casts Cure Well!
Serpent recovers 164 HP!
Serpent attacks!
Jenna takes 43 damage!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 336 damage!!!
Kindle is set to Jenna!
Piers casts Diamond Berg!
Serpent takes 317 damage!
Sheba casts Resist!
Felix's Resistance rises by 20!
Piers's Resistance rises by 20!
Jenna's Resistance rises by 20!
Sheba's Resistance rises by 20!
Serpent unleashes Black Ice!
Piers takes 35 damage!
Jenna takes 65 damage!!!
Sheba takes 30 damage!
Serpent attacks!
Sheba takes 46 damage!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Felix casts Astral Blast!
Serpent takes 335 damage!!!
Jenna casts Healing Aura!
Felix's HP is fully restored!
Piers's HP is fully restored!
Jenna's HP is fully restored!
Sheba's HP is fully restored!
Piers casts Diamond Berg!
Serpent takes 318 damage!
Sheba casts Resist!
Felix's Resistance rises by 20!
Piers's Resistance rises by 20!
Jenna's Resistance rises by 20!
Sheba's Resistance rises by 20!
Serpent attacks!
Piers nimbly dodges the blow!
Serpent casts Cure Well!
Serpent recovers 164 HP!
Serpent recovers 30 HP!

Felix unleashes Blitz!
Serpent takes 330 damage!!!
You felled Serpent!
You got 2593 experience points.
Jenna is now a level 25 Hex!
Maximum HP rises by 7!
Maximum PP rises by 2!
Attack rises by 4!
Defense rises by 2!
Agility rises by 4!
You got 3767 coins.

...Yes, I just Djinn-killed Orochi the Serpent.  I'm that awesome.

Tetsuya the Azure Blade · 22, April, 2010, 09:56:07 AM

Nice. I knew this game was easy, but I didn't know it's annoyingly easy.... I think Camelot were trying to patronize us, like only Asian people are good at videogames...

Clara Vita · 22, April, 2010, 11:15:16 AM

purge

i_am_isaac · 22, April, 2010, 11:28:21 AM

Did you finish aqua rock first before gaia rock? Actually I prefer finishing Gaia rock first
but I am sure that I will suffer too much in the serpent boss battle given that I don't have PP when the battle starts and its annoying that the serpent will use toxic breath 2 times in the first round then all fo your characters are poisoned.

Rolina · 22, April, 2010, 03:38:26 PM

Yeah, the rules of the run state that I get everything possible before tackling the area the next boss is in, while only being at the level of the highest mook in said area. Since there's really no direction then, and since there's a DIFFERENT boss in Champa (rules out going there), this means I head everywhere except champa and Gaia Rock to get what I need. It also means a LOT of running away, since I'm paranoid I'm gonna accidentally go past my level mark.

I also know that my level limit for the Champa Boss is AT LEAST 28, since you run into beasts with levels that high to get the Burst Brooch, which is needed to unlock the boss. In fact, I probably won't use any higher level limit I may find in Ankhol Ruins before then, since that'd be the Poseidon target.

As for your PP problem, I had that with Sheba. It's easily fixed. When you get to the Serpent Room, equip all djinn, have Piers cast Avoid, unequip all djinn except for one non-jupiter or mercury djinn on Sheba (for this example), run around, when Avoid wears off, equip them all, use Avoid, unequip all but one, etc...

Great way to regain PP.

Salanewt · 22, April, 2010, 03:52:53 PM

That works, but I don't even think you need to use Avoid (since if I recall correctly, there are no random encounters in the Serpent Room?).

Are you allowed to go to Treasure Isle? What about the trading miniquest?

Have a nice day.

Edit: I ask because I am just wondering if those are included, or if they might be sequence breaking.

Tetsuya the Azure Blade · 22, April, 2010, 04:43:58 PM

She'll probably do the optional bosses and side quests last, that's what I'd (if I were Role) do after killing Doom Dragon once.

Rolina · 23, April, 2010, 12:29:03 PM

There's nothing but coins in treasure Isle until I get grind. Also, can't finish the trading quest without Sand.

Furthermore, I'm going in order of bosses, and for the last and optional bosses, I'll be going in order of mook level. Whose ever area has the highest level mook goes last, lowest goes first. Of course, I speak of the strongest mook in their area (levelwise, not XP gain-wise).

News:

Original Boss Basis

Rolina

Tetsuya the Azure Blade

Rolina

Salanewt

leaf

Rolina

leaf

Rolina

leaf

Rolina

Rolina

Rolina

Rolina

Tetsuya the Azure Blade

Clara Vita (she/her/hers)

i_am_isaac

Rolina

Salanewt

Tetsuya the Azure Blade

Rolina