Super Smash Bros. series fan club

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Jamie: Almost your entire argument can be shred to pieces by 5 words: "Competitive players have fun, too." We wouldn't play this way if we didn't have fun doing so. Believe it or not, some people actually don't like items, and have the most fun when they're testing their own skill verses someone else's without any interference.

As for MK-specific stuff... you don't really understand this game on a competitive level to begin with, so I'm thinking more and more it's a moot point to try to explain why you're wrong. Regardless, I'll go over each of them.

Fsmash definitely kills before 150%. Something like 120-130% iirc. The problem is that it's hard to land due to its slow startup (it actually has a pretty nice hitbox), so against a careful player, you'll almost never land it. Anything that can kill before 140% in brawl is a good kill move, though, since people almost always live to 150%+ each stock, unless they get gimped... at like 70.

MK's fair ties in range with marth's fair to give you an idea of how much range MK actually has. He doesn't get outranged easily, and in 99% of situations, his moves are faster than whatever the opponent is doing. And keep in mind that his hitboxes are all disjointed.

Characters with projectiles aren't that big of an issue for him either. He can close in easily with SHAD or other defensive options, and once he gets in, gl using those projectiles. When MK is at a sword's length from you, you cannot zone him. For the record, MK has no bad matchups. His worst matchups are 50/50. You can't say he's at a disadvantage to someone, when he's never at a disadvantage to anyone.

And items just make broken characters more broken. Ganon sucks without items. He also sucks with items, because he isn't fast enough to get to them quick and use them before the opponent. Fast characters dominate with items on (not just fast movement, but fast moves). They don't need kill moves since items can kill at such low percents anyway.

[Charon]

Ganon does kind of suck. I've easily killed people with much higher skill levels than me when they were using him. I didn't like using Zelda one bit either...

But yeah, items are seriously broken (which is what makes them so funny). I honestly don't like playing with items unless its for the humour because I don't really get any better with them (I racked up several kills by just standing in place with a Fire Flower o.o - albeit hilarious, it isn't exactly satisfying). I really want to learn how to play the game, not necessarily win - that's why I prefer matches that allow me to die an infinite amount of times, so I can learn from my mistakes and get better (although when you win with Pit it's more like getting hit with the stick instead of the carrot, considering his cheesy voice acting).

Hey, do you think we should work together to make a Brawl homebrew? That'd be pretty sweet.

[Aile~♥]

Eh, Pit's voice acting isn't that bad. It's not great, but it's not that bad.

Y'know what would be funny? If sometimes characters had combination lines when you win in a team, like the Tales series.

Falco: "You're not worth the trouble!"
Fox: "Stop taunting, Falco."

Or, if Wolf and Falco/Fox are on the same team and win:

Wolf: "I never thought I'd be caught on the same team as you..."
Fox: "You learn something every day."/Falco: "It's a new experience for you, huh?"

Screw killing people with Fire Flowers. Instead, just infinite them against the wall with King Dedede's basic A combo.

[Charon]

Please no no no no, not combonation lines ;_;

It's really annoying when someone locks you in an attack, like if they grab you or something, or if they use a special move on you that can hold you in place for an extended period of time o.o

[Salanewt]

Yes, please, no combination scripts. Besides, Yoshi is normally not legible (same with DK and Diddy, not to mention Pokemon, and Bowser), Mario is almost always mute-ish (same with Link and Samus), and most other characters sound... Well, stupid (at least in my opinion). Of course, if it just text that comes up on the screen, then it might be fine.

Also, a group homebrew sounds cool. If a few people agree to it, I might try helping out with ideas.

Have a nice day.

Edit: Of course, Bowser can talk. He just doesn't sound them out like we do. We also have those characters which are by themselves, like Game & Watch or Snake.

[Aile~♥]

Yeah, well, I've already got one for Snake.

Sonic: "Sonic's the name, speed's my--"
Snake: "NOM TASTEH."
Sonic: "Ahh!"

Offtopic: I've also figured out why GS characters have no personality. No, it's not due to lack of optional cutscenes, it's due to lack of end-battle lines! They seriously need end-battle lines for GSDD.

And why don't they use voice acting? It's quite easy to do on DS.

[Salanewt]

Honestly, voice acting turns me off of most games, if it involves people saying actual words (Link's funny sound effects do not count obviously, and neither does it count when Peach says "Mario"). In fact, I think I only have one game with voice acting in it, and I have not played it for a few years now. I would not likely get Golden Sun Dark Dawn if it had voice acting (besides, video game music is enough, I hardly need people who sound funny insinuating that I can't read). Of course, I do like a minimal amount of voice acting in certain games. I mean, I like it when Peach reads out loud the letter in Super Mario 64, or when she comes back, and is prepared to make a cake for Mario. As long as it is not throughout the whole game, I like it.


Yeah, but it would be too hard to have good lines with most of Nintendo's top franchises (that is, if we stick with games and avoid television and manga). I mean, what is Link going to say... ? This?

Zelda: Thank you for saving Hyrule Link!

Link: Hyaah! Hrah! Ah! Hyaah!



Have a nice day.

[Charon]

It depends on the quality of voice acting. For example, Pit makes me want to barf up a wall in Brawl. Jade Curtiss in TotA, however, has a pleasant voice and is nice to listen to, and the actor did an excellent job. It also depends on the lines being acted. For example, I have little complaints about Shadow's voice in the Sonic series (especially in comparison to the rest of the voice acting), however, when he says something like "I'm the coolest!" it screams of cheese.

[Aile~♥]

Regal Bryant in ToS2. Pretty great voice acting. "THAT WAS PATHETIC! >:D" (However, he sucks in-battle because he doesn't have enough SP to even equip many of his abilities, since he has to have Sky Attack I and Sky Attack II equipped, so he can't even equip Ability Plus, despite knowing the skill when you get him. But that's off-topic.)

And Lloyd Irving in ToS1. Like his voice there. BUT HIS ToS2 VOICE ACTOR SUCKS!

Pit's voice acting is strangely OK in my opinion. A bit cheesy, but nothing too bad. (It's not like it's NARUTO BAD or anything.) Fox and Falco are pretty good considering the characters. Meta Knight should have had the voice actor from the anime.

@Sala: Obviously, characters that aren't gonna talk don't need lines. XD

But Fox and Falco talk in their game, and they have voice acting in their games, so OBVIOUSLY they need voice acting in Brawl.

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Pit's VAing is just annoying. I can't say if it's bad or not. I just know I hate it. =p

Regal's VAing was probably one of the best of the entire group in ToS1.

Hey, do you think we should work together to make a Brawl homebrew? That'd be pretty sweet.

Explain...?

[Aile~♥]

I prefer Regal's ToS2 VAing. Mostly, because of the line: "THAT WAS PATHETIC!" when he wins fights. I mean, ToS1 Regal says the same line, but ToS2 Regal says it differently.

I gotta be the only guy in the universe who doesn't completely hate Pit's voice acting. XD

[Salanewt]

Pit has a better voice than Toon Link.

Anyway, has anyone here who played Melee thought that it was odd for Pit to have a 3D model for his trophy while the Ice Climbers had a 2D one? Kind of makes you wonder how far back a 3D Pit has been planned. It is fun to think back on it now, especially since Pit has a 3D model, and now he will be getting more games (at least one of which is a sequel).

Have a nice day.

[Hoopa]

So bored... well, if there's anyone on here who wants to play against me in brawl, here's my friend code: 1892-1202-1421

I prefer playing as Marth btw.

[Salanewt]

I would love to play... Except that I still need to get a stable wi-fi connection. I am hoping to be able to get it some time this month though.

Have a nice day.

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So bored... well, if there's anyone on here who wants to play against me in brawl, here's my friend code: 1892-1202-1421

I prefer playing as Marth btw.

Sure. I'll play you. Might even go for some marth dittos.

2449-4328-2244

If you wanna play some matches, I'm available right now, actually, so just lemme know, and I'll get online.

[Hoopa]

Great! I have it all set now, just waiting.

[Charon]

Man, I wish my friend had their wi-fi working. I'd play you guys too (even though I suck).

Well, since I still at least have a working Gamecube, I gave Melee a try, and IT IS WAY BETTER THAN BRAWL HOLY SHOES. I quickly became a little beast with Ness (although he sucks in Brawl, so I'll still use Pit). Why didn't I get into this series earlier, it's awesome.

Also, messed around with texture editing. Here's my first few that I did. Not done with them yet (finally got to get Brawlbox, it's awesome), so I'll post them again when I'm fully content.

Pictures:


Still working on them as you can see. I'm going to fix anything I don't like with Eric's textures, then I'm going to work on animations.

[Seraphic Phantom]

Oh goody, a Brawl topic. I seem to be good at playing as Wolf or Link...hard to say with me. Other than those two....Marth.

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I hate brawl, but if you wanna play, seraphim, lemme know. I use whoever as long as I'm not getting trashed... mostly low tiers (I used to be a ganon main). When I start reaching for the higher tiers it's either because I'm losing or because I'm bored. And I try to avoid playing MK in friendlies unless prompted.

@charon: Heh. Yes, melee rocks <3

[Charon]

Either my friends have been sucking lately or I've been getting better - I swept Metaknight to the side yesterday in a 1-1. lol they spam his teleport move to get closer to me so I just punish them for being so predictable lol