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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2015, 07:14:53 PM »

I'd pick C# myself. Could be nice picking up a widely used language like that, and I could even apply it to M&L hacking someday.

But of course, it would be also cool to at least add some basic things to the GM version sooner or later. At least until everything else is added to the other.
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2015, 07:39:40 PM »

Cool. I guess C# it is, then? (Over Java, Python, etc.)
@M&L hacking: If you remember, I actually already started that... (I called it Checkpoint #1, because it was my early attempts at moving the Yoshi Magic VB project to C#.) Now, I reckon if we get REAL lucky, we could have Golden Sun and M&L in the same project. (In the beginning, I might have them separate, but I guess it depends on how many shared resources there are? --  Things like OAM format, BG format, assembly, etc. )

@GM: I agree with that too, because the transition would take quite some time, but I believe it will be worth it.


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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2015, 08:47:14 PM »

Okay then, I put it on 4shared for a little while.
http://www.4shared.com/rar/3SLG1rtkba/GM8.html
(beware that you need an account for 4shared!)
(also, there are decompilers in the GM folder and GM itself has some extensions)

It be nice to see a new version of the editor.
GM isn't necessarily slower, it just not made for editors and indeed, the DLL thing is not fast at all.
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2015, 09:02:45 PM »

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GM isn't necessarily slower, it just not made for editors and indeed, the DLL thing is not fast at all.
Um? I'd say stay away from both of them when possible.
I believe the reason to use the DLL was to get access to the fast I/O  data loading method, thingy...? (The editor uses it to decompress the map data to make the ~7 files in Temp, but when it goes to load & display the map with that data, it does not... unfortunately. But if it did, I predict you wouldn't need the box that pops up on loading a map. -- The slow byte by byte loading method would also be slow in .NET as well.)

But anyway, I think DLLs are best when you have more than one executable application needing to access the same library of functions.(?)
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2015, 10:16:55 PM »

Haha, well, thanks for uploading that Luna! The major downside is it's telling me I have to use 8.1, and I think I may also have to grab the Pro version if I'm remembering the last time I tried Lite 8.1. Oh well, I'll just think of some other ideas for polishing the editor up in the meantime.
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2015, 10:20:47 PM »

Maybe you could get lucky and they might have 8.1 Pro on for a sale. It's still not super cheap, but I got it at somewhere around 50-60% of its normal price? Supposedly it includes the ability to publish to Mac, but it requires you to have a Mac on the same local network or something and I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work at all.
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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2015, 07:09:00 AM »

Haha, well, thanks for uploading that Luna! The major downside is it's telling me I have to use 8.1, and I think I may also have to grab the Pro version if I'm remembering the last time I tried Lite 8.1. Oh well, I'll just think of some other ideas for polishing the editor up in the meantime.
Which version of GSE do you try to open? It works fine when I 0.5.
And which GameMaker.exe do you use?
IIRC, you need to execute GameMaker(2).exe which is bigger.

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But anyway, I think DLLs are best when you have more than one executable application needing to access the same library of functions.(?)
Getting a bit off topic, but I also think it's for structure and saving memory space. However, most computer have plenty of memory space, on the other hand, new mobile phone and tablets don't.
But yeah, sometimes it is not quite as handy as they thought it would be.
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« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2015, 12:41:30 PM »

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Which version of GSE do you try to open? It works fine when I 0.5.
And which GameMaker.exe do you use?
IIRC, you need to execute GameMaker(2).exe which is bigger.
I get the feeling he's trying to use my version, which likely requires a later version than Atrius's original source.

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Getting a bit off topic, but I also think it's for structure and saving memory space. However, most computer have plenty of memory space, on the other hand, new mobile phone and tablets don't.
But yeah, sometimes it is not quite as handy as they thought it would be.
@Saving memory space: While that was sort of my point about having multiple EXEs access the DLL instead of duplicating code across them... Would it be possible to hook up some memory chips in that case? (Ex: Like a thumb drive for extra ROM memory, etc.) ; If you're a huge gamer and developer using lots of big apps and stuff, I'd reckon DLLs would not be enough to keep you from needing something like that? (I'd say graphics can easily take up more room than code, especially if they're HD/high quality.) -- One thing though, I wonder if accesses made to the thumb drive would be slower than the hard drive? (Most likely? But just how much slower? I might google some time?)

And yes, getting a bit off-topic... But I can say that I already started with the new C# GS editor... Or well, it's so early, it's better I not say anything in fear that it might get delayed for years without work... but the point is I'm at least thinking about it at the minimum. -- And that I'm still thinking about the main form being the Map Viewer/Editor, with sub-editors that pop up on separate forms for everything else.... (Think of it like Lunar Magic.)

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I want to thank you for that download as well... The ol' Studio is too messed up for me to use. (The updater keeps resetting... aka:closing and opening. It's like it only works on the first use or something?)
Now I guess I can work on copying/pasting code... (As soon as I figure out which snippets I want.)
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« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2015, 03:08:25 AM »

Jamie: Nuts to buying it, lol. I might as well learn a programming language and start from scratch at that point, especially since I can do a lot of it on my own already.

Luna & Fox (8/8.1): Interesting... Yeah, I think I ran the wrong .exe and I also tried opening the Teawater map version, which is based on 8.1.

And awesome stuff. It looks like you might be doing the bulk of it for a bit then; going to try to pick up a language between the busy periods of my schedule.
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« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2015, 04:54:24 AM »

I like that we are discussing this.

In a way, I'm somewhat convinced moving to another language like C# or Java is probably the way to go...?
As long as these are true:
-GML and C# have similarities in languages in that you use { }, etc.
-If you can port to Linux/Mac/etc.. using (http://www.mono-project.com/ ???) that's great. - Googling, I found this http://www.drdobbs.com/windows/c-and-nets-sudden-ubiquity/240169282 ... (Posted Nov. 2014) Maybe it is interesting?
-Game Maker seems to be CPU-intensive, I reckon we could solve that problem. Game Maker also has a poor user-interface in my opinion.
-I know how to do fast IO-data loading in C#/Java, where-as Game Maker may require the DLL.
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We discussed changing languages before.  Two years ago.  Forgive me if I lack faith in swapping to another language.  Let's stick with this, and just switch to Open GS when it's done.
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Fox: Easier in the idea that I can reduce required external stuff where the source code isn't available/modifyable (Well, there is overrides in some cases, but still.) ; So it's possible the only "Events" I would require are those of the Form.... (Mouse Events, Keyboard Events, Paint Events, Etc. when needed.)
Yesterday at 04:42:14 PM
Fox: Anyway... I know I am using built-in controls in my current editor, but it is not out-of-the-question that I might just go and make my own custom controls... so that it is actually easier for me (But that'd take a lot of work.)  I'm thinking about one large bitmap object, and just drawing them on it. Problem is, I'm afraid it might not be efficient enough.  So I haven't decided about doing it.)
Yesterday at 04:33:28 PM
Fox: @XML = If I recall, I believe Visual Studio uses it for Settings Variables that remain even after you close the program. (e.g. There's one variable I have in my program that I call "LastRom" to make it easier to get back into the program.)
Yesterday at 04:17:59 PM
Fox: XML/JSON are simple = They are just a way to store data outside the application... ... The complexity is comparable to learning about data trees, I'd say... XML = Looks like HTML  ; JSON = Think Lists and Dictionaries, and nested ones.
Yesterday at 03:51:19 PM
Luna_blade: @the whole static thing: I recently came across the problem that if you use design patterns, objects of the same class might get duplicate info. Sometimes this is very little information, so it seems better to use something class-wide than making a file
Yesterday at 03:47:41 PM
Luna_blade: another thought I had is that I already made some code better...
Yesterday at 03:45:59 PM
Luna_blade: Sure I will open-source it on github once I rewrite it to be more maintainainable. Now that I think about it, I should put some other stuff there as well
Yesterday at 03:44:54 PM
Luna_blade: Yeah I made some code and screens for it in Java. The last thing I was busy working on was the grid for the values and the selection shape.
Yesterday at 03:41:22 PM
Luna_blade: I will learn a bit of JSON and XML soon. I guess those are pretty good replacements for what I meant with static
Yesterday at 03:40:42 PM
Luna_blade: It's an okay article. I prefer reading the java implementations on tutorialpoint
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Yesterday at 12:07:06 PM
Fox: Oh yes, there's a whole artice on design patterns at wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern
Yesterday at 07:20:37 AM
Fox: Oh yes.... Just checked.... Program.cs has "Application.Run(new Form1());" ... AND.... Program.cs is a STATIC class, so my hunch is confirmed. (In a way.)
Yesterday at 07:12:43 AM
Fox: So... I'm assuming that it is like a tree, and your top level file should be the static class, with all the other object classes linked from it? (Like a tree?) - Wonder how the Dessigner treats Forms. (How are Form objects linked to a static class, if at all?)
Yesterday at 07:00:51 AM
Fox: (Since I can have incredibly bad wording sometimes :P)
Yesterday at 06:59:50 AM
Fox: (Well, started "?" was more implying whether you made any public releases yet....
Yesterday at 06:59:02 AM
Fox: Wait? You started a Hed Editor? Curious if you were going to open-source it....
Yesterday at 06:55:16 AM
Fox: Using xml or json has also come to mind as a method to replace language.ini file and to store table addresses.... but I haven't thought much about that, so....
Yesterday at 06:54:24 AM
Fox: @static object = Huh? Well, I do know that it's useful for global stuff... at least. But I'm curious about when to know if a function should be down globally or through another object....  For example, I could make me rom buffer be put in a global file, since we're likely to only have one opened at a time, for almost the duration of the app, but then when we consider possible advances in the application like having two opened at one time (Such as GS1 and GS2 to transfer pieces of data), then...?
Yesterday at 06:30:49 AM
Luna_blade: And then every strategy should have some 'static' object that tells how the specific strategy should generally look.

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