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« on: April 19, 2011, 03:56:50 PM »

How do you feel about them, and how do you feel they should be handled? One think to take note of in this debate is that different countries have different taxes, and some people may find some taxes more useful than other people would.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2011, 04:03:56 PM »

My argument in the cbox was basically:  Modifying taxes alone is not the solution to our financial needs, but they need to be simplified.  Everyone here who has a job can probably agree with me here - tax day is hell, just because of how confusing figuring it out is.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2011, 10:15:52 PM »

Since I honestly can't figure out what the hell you were talking about in the cbox, how about you explain how you suggest doing it, role? At first I thought you wanted to eliminate tax brackets entirely. Then I thought you wanted to make everyone pay a single flat tax. Now, the best I can tell, you want something very similar to the current system, but just scaling linearly, in... some method or another. Exactly what that means to you is still unclear to me. The fact that one of your biggest complaints is that the current system somehow punishes the rich is honestly the most confusing part of all of this, because when you complain about taxes being confusing, it seems like you want people to pay at their going rate for all of their income... and that certainly can't be what you want. That system would punish the rich for making more. What's more, looking at the 2010 tax brackets, the biggest jump was from 15% to 25% at $34,001, with taxes capping at 35%, at over 10x that amount. If anything, the current tax system hurts the middle class, not the rich.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 10:29:06 PM »

Instead of being the crazy mess it is now, with all these variables and what not, I'd make it simple - a simple percentage based on income.

If you're not happy with a flat 10 or 12% of income, then I suggest this:

Ranges from 5% for the poorest of the poor to 15% for the riches of the rich.  It'd be a LINEAR growth, not that crazy curved line we have now.

That's it.  If you want to balance the budget, how about oh, I dunno, GETTING OUT OF ONE OF THOSE WARS OR SOMETHING?
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 08:22:19 PM »

I've heared, that the american government has 13,6 billion dollars debts. Good luck with you all. You'll need it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 08:47:24 PM »

Wow, you heard a bit wrong - that's TRILLION, three more digits at the end.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2011, 08:56:07 PM »

We're making sure we set at least one world record that no other country can beat.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2011, 09:06:25 PM »

Why would they WANT to beat that?  I swear, the last couple administrations we've had are total idiots...
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 09:14:45 PM »

So basically, a 5% tax if you are in the 12-30k range, 10% for 30-70k range, and 15% for anything higher? Sounds interesting, is this for corporate or personal taxes?

New world records? I guess it does count as one. Then again, the US is currently the highest collector of corporate taxes, right? Role has a point, few other countries would want to beat that record.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 09:25:58 PM »

Personal, I don't know how corporate works, only what actually affects me.  Also, it'd not go up in jumps like that, that'd be punishing for reaching a new tax bracket.  I said a simple line, not a crazy curve - the jumps make it a crazy curve.  I figure every 5K a year you'll have a thing on a chart telling you how much you owe or something.

It's actually similar to how it works now, but without all the crazy rules and loopholes and legaleze.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 09:36:43 PM »

I think Income Tax shouldn't even exist, since it was supposed to be a temporary measure for one of the World Wars! The fact that we still need the tax AFTER the war proves that the Canadian and American governments are doing something very, very wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2011, 09:37:14 AM »

At least here is something we all agree on: Lower taxes.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2011, 03:01:42 PM »

Well, I personally believe that we should just have a flat percentage for income tax, and do away with much of the sales tax.  Granted, not all of it, but right now we've got... what, 30% of the money we pay in gas going towards the government?  That's like a buck twenty when it hits four gallons!  It's ridiculous!

What they need to do is cut waaaaaaaay back on spending.  Just taking more and more and more as they are is... it's gonna kill us.  We can't afford their spending habit.  And sadly, yes, those popular entitlement programs?  They're gonna have to take a hit too.  Like it or not, government is forcing us to tighten our belts.  Had they not been so reckless, they probably wouldn't need cuts to medicare and medicaid.  Restructuring sure, but not cuts... hell, even Obamacare cut money from medicare to fund it.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2011, 11:08:58 PM »

IMO, sales tax makes much more sense than income tax. That way, they tax based on what you buy. Food? That's a necessity, no taxes there. Gasoline? Shame on you, you should be riding your bike or taking public transit. Gasoline tax also ought to go strictly to improvements and innovation regarding clean energy sources and energy efficiency. Luxuries like video games and such are taxed, naturally.

Corporate tax cuts have been the bane of this country already, and thanks to ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF HARPER GOVERNMENT, (I want to kill everyone who voted conservative. They're all morons and we don't need them in the gene pool anyway.) we're going to be having MORE of those, despite already having a structural deficit!
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 11:21:02 PM »

I know, right? It might be better than NDP, but still... really stupid. I think he mentioned something about tax cuts for families/parents that can easily have two or more salaries?

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In the end, everyone can probably agree on one thing: some taxes are good, most are bad and/or useless.
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