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« Reply #40 on: 02, July, 2011, 03:52:32 PM »
Yeah, Shop Editing is cool...
I forgot to comment on some earlier comments...
I do want to check something, though - is there a way to determine which items go in which shop type, or is that hard coded? It'd be nice if I could test a psynergy shop out, but if I can't fuse the two equipment shops I'm kinda screwed there...
I haven't tested it, but I would think it's based on the item type setting for the item (Value in top-right corner of item editor)
If it's just Weapons for weapons, and the seven or so armor types for armor, and we can't change that... that's gonna suck. It'll really limit what we can do and test.
I did do some research on this yesterday. It is assembly coded. And yes, they are based on the item type values.
00 - Items - Item Shop All item types that weren't assigned a shop type is shop type 0 (Item Shop)
Now, Shop Types affect two things that I know of, so far.
-All the dialogue the NPC says.
-What Kind of artifacts are stored in the Shop.
Locations in Assembly to note:
Golden Sun 1:
080B0070 - Function (List artifacts that pass requirements?)
-080B0092 - No comparison with 3 and 4, so there seems to be no General Shops.
08078480 - This function is the Item Type check. It assigns Shop Types to certain Item Types. (More research needed.)
Golden Sun 2:
081080A8 - Function (List artifacts that pass requirements?)
-081080D0 - This area compares the shop type with 3 and 4 and skips the Item Type check.
080AEC68 - This function is the Item Type check. It assigns Shop Types to certain Item Types.
r0 = shop
r1 = item type
r5 = current shop
I was also working on a piece of assembly code for fun that might work for a Shop Type Editor.
This one, much like the innate psynergy, will likely have a custom-made database as well.
I decided to make them flags. The custom database will contain a 16-bit list of shop type data.
The flags will say which item types belong in the shop.
(Untested Code)
mov r0, #0x0 //Item type
ldr r2, [08F00000] //Random address for the database
lsl r3, r5, #0x1
add r2, r3
ldrh r2, [r2, #0x0]
cmp r0, r1
bne (d)
a: lsr r3, r2, r0
and r3, #0x1
cmp r3, #0x1
beq (b)
d: add r0, #0x1
cmp r0, #0xB //Number of item types
ble (a)
b (c)
b: mov r0, r5
c: pop {pc}
That piece of assembly code was a bit more difficult then the innate psynergies, but it was fun. I will test it in the future to make sure all of it is correct.
The goal here was to have items fit in multiple shop types instead of one.
PS - Do not forget that if a Shop Type editor happened, you would need dialogue editing as well. Shop Types 01 and 04 use the same text. Later, I might see if I can change one to not match the other.
Oh yeah, and if my assembly code works, then we have made some progress on being able to have up to like 256 shop types
? More then anyone would ever need. Also, You
might be able to edit the assembly code I have made in such a way that it is item specific instead of item type specific. r6 holds the current item being checked, I think.
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« Reply #41 on: 02, July, 2011, 05:43:10 PM »
I could have sworn there was another way to change the shop dialogue. As I recall there were some towns where the shop keepers kinda speak with a dialect, but use the same shop type values.
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« Reply #42 on: 02, July, 2011, 09:15:53 PM »
You mean like Xian in Golden Sun 1? It seems all three shop keepers use a different set of dialogues... Interestingly.Ln 3227 - Come in! Welcome! Take a look at our fine weapons. Ln 3404 - You need weapons, warrior. Check our weapons.
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« Reply #43 on: 03, July, 2011, 01:21:03 PM »
Blarg, so we're going to need an ASM editor to change them? That really sucks. It almost forces you to have an equip system in the same vein as golden sun itself...
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« Reply #44 on: 04, July, 2011, 01:10:06 AM »
Yeah, but with Atrius's awesome abilities, I'm sure he may be able to rewrite that area of assembly to fit our editing needs. (Like what I was trying to do, and like what happened with the Innate Psynergies.)
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« Reply #45 on: 04, July, 2011, 01:18:20 AM »
Do you think you could copy-paste the Item shop's code and tell the game to use one of the blank arguments to redirect to the copy, and have different phrases?
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« Reply #46 on: 04, July, 2011, 01:21:24 AM »
Considering Xian in GS 1 there should already be a way to change the phrases without doing anything ridiculous.
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« Reply #47 on: 04, July, 2011, 01:58:15 AM »
Golden Sun 1's Shop Type Check for the dialogues is right around here: (I found it very quickly by searching the line number in a hex editor.)
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« Reply #48 on: 04, July, 2011, 10:41:36 AM »
Hey, I didn't realize this thing had hex viewer support for Dark Dawn... Still, can't make heads or tails of it, but still, interesting to see that you're working on adding DD in here...
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« Reply #49 on: 04, July, 2011, 02:52:59 PM »
Try any NDS, they all show the filesystem and hex editor.
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« Reply #50 on: 05, July, 2011, 08:58:07 AM »
While we're on lists of ASM stuff, don't forget Damage Formulas and likely added effects as well.
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« Reply #51 on: 09, August, 2011, 01:55:24 AM »
Just a thought: It may be a good idea to link to the latest version of the editor in the official editor thread, rather than the initial 0.4 release.
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« Reply #52 on: 09, August, 2011, 03:36:37 AM »
The main 0.4 version link is updated with each new fix release. The separate links are just for convenience so that people don't have to clear their browser cache to download the new version.
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« Reply #53 on: 20, February, 2012, 11:54:59 PM »
Sooo... it's been half a year. Anyone who still wants to claim I'm pushing him too hard, bug off.
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« Reply #54 on: 23, February, 2012, 04:51:13 AM »
sure sure role. I'd like that to. I'd also like a non buggy complete update, so I can wait.
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« Reply #55 on: 23, February, 2012, 05:28:53 AM »
Yes there's one person working on this, but we can't do anything about it.
Ofcourse, if we had more people actually
hacking the game itself, we could probably help record a handful of stuff that Atrius can use in the process of making the editor. We already have things like shop_display, and what not displayed in the NPC code.
I once started a list of Golden Sun's functions once, but I never completed it.
Spoiler for Golden Sun 2 :
I have decided it was time to create a function list for Golden Sun 2. The way this works is that I give the name of the function first (A made up one that will pretty much summarize what the function does.), and then put in parenthesis its arguments. If nothing is in the parenthesis, then there are simply no arguments. Returns are noted by the "as datatype" and/or written out. I think most functions either return nothing, or one thing. I do it this way because there are a lot of functions in this game, and it would be nice to keep things compact. Many topics already talk about many of the functions listed, so I may also put in a link to them for your convience.
Anyway, the end-goal for this topic is to help coders call functions which they need without forcing them to make it themselves- That would simply be a waste of space, now wouldn't it?
* = Needs more researching.
08014878 = rand() as Int16 //Returns a 16-bit random number.
08014DAC = ?(add_to_pointer) //What do pointers at 03000000 and 03000004 refer to?
08016CA4 = locate_char_data(character_id) as Int32 //Returns pointer to character's data (Party Member or Enemy)
08016CE4 = read_flag(flag_number) as Boolean
08016CFC = write_flag(flag_number)
08016D18 = clear_flag(flag_number)
08016D34 = toggle_flag(flag_number) as Boolean //Returns 1 if toggled on, else 0 if toggled off.
08016D5C = read_byte(flag_number) as Byte
08016D6C = write_byte(flag_number, value)
08016D7C = increment_byte(flag_number) as Byte //Returns incremented byte. (Increments by 1.)
08016D98 = decrement_byte(flag_number) as Byte //Returns decremented byte. (Decrements by 1.)
08016DB4 = read_4bit(flag_number) as Int32 //Returns 4-bit value.
08016DD0 = write_4bit(flag_number)
08016DF8 = BIOS call swi $0B - (For copying data.)
08016DFC = swi $19 (0)
08016E04 = swi $19 (1)
08016E0C =
*080B0B78 = Add Djinni
*080AE834 = Add Djinni / Raise flag in Storybook flags. (02000046)
(Party_Member (0-7), Djinni_type (0-3), Djinni (0-19))
http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=1421.0 080AEE98 = get_item(party_member, item) as Int32 //Returns Item Slot # (0-14, -1 if not in stock.)
080AEEC8 = get_item(item) as Int32 //Returns Party Member (0-7, -1 if not in stock.)
080AF148 = remove_item(party_member, item_slot) //Returns -1 for empty slot, 1 for decremented quantity, 2 for removed altogether.
080AF1C8 = remove_itema(party_member, item_slot) //Returns -1 for empty slot, 1 for decremented quantity, 2 for removed altogether. Artifact check. (Makes the item available as an artifact if it is one.)
080AF298 = remove_item(item) //Returns 0 //Searches all party members for item and removes/decrements it.
080AF2C0 = remove_itema(item) //Returns 0 //Searches all party members for item and removes/decrements it. Artifact check. (Makes the item available as an artifact if it is one.)
080AF348 = add_artifact(artifact_slot, add_quantity) //Returns quantity of artifacts of this item. (0-99)
080AF378 = add_artifact(item, add_quantity) //Returns quantity of artifacts of this item. (0-99)
080AF4B8 = psy_check(party_member, ability) as Boolean //Returns True if s/he has the ability.
080AF6F4 = add_ability(party_member, ability) //Returns an ability_slot
080AFDBC = party_members() as Int32 (0-8) //Returns how many party members are currently in your team.
080AFDD8 = add_party_member(party_member) as Int32 //Returns new number of members in team.
080AFE1C = remove_party_member(party_member) as Int32 //Returns new number of members in team.
080AFE78 = copy_party_members(address) as Int32 //Returns number of members in team. Note: address is where to copy them to. (16-bit spaced.)
080AFEB0 = *unknown(number_to_add) as Int32 //Returns added number. (0 - 999999) More research needed on 02000250.
080AFED4 = *unknown(number_to_add) as Int32 //Returns added number. (0 - 999999) More research needed on 02000378.
080AFF00 = *unknown(number_to_add) as Int32 //Returns added number. (0 - 28) More research needed on 0200037C.
080AFF28 =
080D2414 = psy_check(party_member_and_ability) // 00003C00 = party member, 000003FF = ability; Returns -3 (PC does not have ability), -2 (PC not in party), -1 (PC8+), 0 (PC has ability)
080D2454 = shortcut_update_clear() //If you don't have characters with these psys, then the shortcut(s) are cleared.
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« Reply #56 on: 23, February, 2012, 04:52:41 PM »
I've brought this up to Atrius several times, and every time he's shot down the idea of a team working on it, zman. You may be newer here, so you won't really remember, we once had to wait over a year for an update. I'll be blunt - this is bullshit. Minecraft, back when it was only being done by one person, still had a much faster rate of updates. But it's been 8 months now, and nothing.
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« Reply #57 on: 23, February, 2012, 06:24:41 PM »
You know what? Despite the anger and rage in Role's post, (however needed it is), I totally agree. We did get promises and reassurances that there would be updates every couple of months. And yes, Atrius, I understand that you're busy. (I mean, I can't even set time aside to work on one of the "immature language" hacks of the game, let alone actually do something USEFUL with this tool!) That's part of life. But another part of life is knowing when you can't do something on your own and need help from your friends. I may not actually know anyone here, nor do I claim to regularly interact with anyone outside the forum, but I like to think of this website as a place I can go to get ideas and criticism from people whom I can actually put up with. Role and I may have had a bad start, but I know for a fact that even that has been left behind in light of all of us PULLING TOGETHER, even as an internet community. I submitted some ideas for the community hack, and I've chatted with people through forum posts about random crap that I do with the game. That kind of collaboration is fine, but it's limited. Now, if I were to get even one other person to help with my extensive hack that I'm doing, then it would be easy peasy; it'd get done WAY faster than if I worked on it alone.
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« Reply #58 on: 23, February, 2012, 07:07:32 PM »
Atrius isn't stopping anyone from making their own editor, nor could he if he wanted. AFAIK he hasn't even turned down anyone actually capable of helping with the editor offering to do so. The lack of updates obviously means there is nothing of interest to report, and the content of your posts ultimately boils down to "we want an editor update", which is just spam. And you're making it sound like he has some kind of obligation to work on it.
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« Reply #59 on: 23, February, 2012, 07:29:40 PM »
actually role, i know about it all. the long update, and also why you can't really have more then one person work on it and still be effective.
he could make a team but they would have to be IRL if it were to help speed up the project.
I get why your mad. but adding a comment stating what you have said a billion times isn't going to make it go faster... heck, if you kept doing that to me I'd make it take longer... luckily Atrius is a nice guy when it comes to harassment... apparently... lol
Also I think your to stressed out role... need to take a chill pill... take a cat nap... or something.
so I beleve this sums up your posts
OMFGWTFBBQRAGEMOFO hurry up damn it JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
The translation might be off but I think I'm close ;)
And if your wondering why I'm picking a fight, its because
my life sucks, I'm in a bad mood, and unlike every other day on here, I DON'T FEEL LIKE PUTTING UP WITH HER SH*T TODAY! (I think I caught some of that BBQRAGE
