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Dunno about that but that sure is nice ^^

Umm... what?

Rock, I can't even tell what you're trying to say with that.

I think we can all agree that Rockisftw doesn't get this topic at all.
In fact i'm so confused that I almost feel like starting over.......

More or less, I was just trying to look at other people's solutions and put out my thoughts on them. Not that I don't get the topic at all, and you really shouldn't have said that.

I thought that would've disproven the fact that they are the "same" object as many people have stated, because if they were the same, then the universe is finite and it merely loops upon itself.

Meaning that in the end, they are two different objects which can technically coexist in the same space, at the very least on charts.

If it's a gas exerting pressure on a solid, perhaps? That said, rock's post greatly confused me, too.

Leaf, whats with all de formulas O-o!

Uh... I haven't really been using many formulas here. I've been applying principles that have formulas associated with them, but it's not like I've been throwing a wall of formulas at you.

Back onto the spring/rigid discussion, if it were between two rigid objects <assuming they are rigid, not springs or waves>; from the point of contact energy would just be exerted in some form or the other, sound, light, heat, etc, unless the "unstoppable" "object" is coming from all sides. In which case, we have to make up something imaginary here..

You can make the assumption of a perfectly elastic collision. No energy is lost. No sound, no heat, no light, etc, are released. The total kinetic energy is the same before and after the collision.

If it were based on a spring, the energy from an "unstoppable" force/object hitting the "immovable" object that acts like a spring, then the model would roughly equate
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Yet, due to the very nature of being a "spring" means that it isn't immovable, it merely redirects the force back.

I don't think you quite understand what a massless infinite spring of zero stiffness really means. While I'm sure you understand massless (m = 0) and infinite (its unstretched length is infinite), you may not understand what the physical meaning of zero stiffness really is.

A spring with infinite stiffness acts like a rigid body. It will perfectly resist deformation and directly transfer force from one side of the infinite stiffness spring to the other. A spring with zero stiffness, however, transfers no force. It is perfectly deformed, absorbing no energy in the process. Remember that formula you learned in physics for the spring force? F = kx? Or the potential energy of a spring? E = 1/2*k*x^2? Set k = 0 and see what happens to those. By setting the spring's stiffness to zero, it allows the sphere to collide with the spring and infinitely compress it, without transmitting any of the force to the cube. The sphere remains in constant motion the whole time, and never loses any energy or momentum. Then, since the spring is massless, even though it is being infinitely compressed, the center of mass of the object never changes, and is always located at the center of the cube.

The other idea of it being an object at Absolute Zero <0K> is plausible, because we have absolutely no idea how Absolute Zero works. Mostly everything that we know and can formulate theories on are based on the idea that 0K is impossible. If 0K is possible, then nothing is interacting with it.. <Is that the right word? Maybe I should say influencing instead.> and the object itself is only capable of interacting with others <E.G. Gravity and so forth>. At least, my thoughts anyway.
Whoever said something about
            |======> <Infinity 1>
<====|======> <Infinity 2>
Minus the typing error, assuming the line is of the same origin; Where is the point of collision between the two forces? Don't they technically coexist? Based on the fact that this is also a mathematical equivilent, this graphed is either up or down the Y/X or a function, and if Inf. 1 is red and Inf. 2 is blue, its blue on the -infinity and purple on the +infinity. While coexistance is the word I used, there are probably more precise words, but you should catch my drift.

The rest of this is all gibberish. I'm not even gonna try to make sense of it.

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...however, I will admit, the "unstoppable object" exerting a pressure on the "immovable object" is an interesting idea. Congrats on coming up with that one, rock. If we assume the immovable object to be a particle of infinite mass in an inertial reference frame, we can define the "unstoppable object" as a hollow sphere of dynamic radius. The sphere is always a sphere (it cannot be deformed into a shape that is not a sphere), but it is possible to increase or decrease its diameter with infinite force. Since this is a pressure force, we can choose to have the sphere be compressed. Anything that is larger than the new diameter of the sphere will be crushed to fit within it. This sphere then crushes the immovable object. However, because the immovable object was already a point in space, it is impossible to compress it further than that. The sphere infinitely reduces its size to approach zero radius at the same point in space as the immovable object, but, because it is impossible to reach zero from a finite value, the unstoppable object never actually reaches zero radius. This process continues for eternity. The end result is that the immovable object never moves, and the unstoppable object never stops.

I just got out of Chemistry. And when a formula is used, meh. Fact of the matter is I've been up just over 40 hours and it looked like alot to me O-o.
And its called a perfectly elastic collision.. Thanks. I didn't know.
^Hence my level of education error, and the fact that I've always intended a spring to return force.. Like, with a pen.

And the gibberish.. Uhh.. How do I put it;
Someone said something about Absolute Zero which is 0K, and because noone knows how that acts except its particles do not move, nothing has outside influence on it.
So my assumption is it is able to affect other objects, while not being affected by other things.
And by the wierd lines, imagine your standard X/Y graph. One object goes from 0,0 to +infinity, +infinity. Let that line be colored red on the graph.
The second object goes from -inf, -inf to +inf, +inf, and set its territory covered to blue. You end up with purple as the "overlap" which.. do I really have to go over that?

I suppose a few things can be said..
Leaf, whats with all de formulas O-o!
Back onto the spring/rigid discussion, if it were between two rigid objects <assuming they are rigid, not springs or waves>; from the point of contact energy would just be exerted in some form or the other, sound, light, heat, etc, unless the "unstoppable" "object" is coming from all sides. In which case, we have to make up something imaginary here..

If it were based on a spring, the energy from an "unstoppable" force/object hitting the "immovable" object that acts like a spring, then the model would roughly equate
=====>|<=====
Yet, due to the very nature of being a "spring" means that it isn't immovable, it merely redirects the force back.
The other idea of it being an object at Absolute Zero <0K> is plausible, because we have absolutely no idea how Absolute Zero works. Mostly everything that we know and can formulate theories on are based on the idea that 0K is impossible. If 0K is possible, then nothing is interacting with it.. <Is that the right word? Maybe I should say influencing instead.> and the object itself is only capable of interacting with others <E.G. Gravity and so forth>. At least, my thoughts anyway.
Whoever said something about
            |======> <Infinity 1>
<====|======> <Infinity 2>
Minus the typing error, assuming the line is of the same origin; Where is the point of collision between the two forces? Don't they technically coexist? Based on the fact that this is also a mathematical equivilent, this graphed is either up or down the Y/X or a function, and if Inf. 1 is red and Inf. 2 is blue, its blue on the -infinity and purple on the +infinity. While coexistance is the word I used, there are probably more precise words, but you should catch my drift.

For such objects to exist there would have to be zero transfer of energy when they collide with other objects.  Based on this fact there are two possible scenarios:

1)  After the collision both objects retain the same momentum, but it's direction is changed.  The unstoppable object bounces off the unmovable object without slowing down at all.

I think he means that the first object cannot be stopped period, and a change in direction requires some give in the object. So the point is, between something that will knock everything away in its path vs something that cannot be moved no matter what.. whats going on.

Welcome to the forums. I'm Frozenblade, but you can either call me Momo or Takumi if you like. I hope you enjoy your time here. If you are interested in joining a clan, or want to know more about them, you should go here. http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?topic=630.0
I myself lead the Mercury clan, but you may join any of them, depending on your personal tastes.

I think that about covers everything, since KoP got the rules covered already.

Have a good time here. we hope you stick around.

I hear takumi I think initial d xD
Sorry.. And welcome! Hopefully you'll be around a while

But we'll still see you right Sala? D:..

I never had to see anything this stupid, trolling or not.

Update: added "Sekirei" and "Nichijou".

Delayed review of "Bakemonogatari", "Sket Dance", and "Bleach" because of college, and I need to spend a good amount of time on bleach.

Next review to be posted: Steins;Gate (my faverate anime of all time right up there with Guilty crown)

You haven't finished Bakemonogatari yet? DOOD..
And just wow, I've given up on watching the anime, between the releases and having to watch them on ad-filled spam pages.. Nah, it wasn't really worth it to me. Besides, most people will know wether or not they'd want to watch Bleach/Naruto/One Piece.. Those are like Pokemon and Yugioh for my generation. You either did, or didn't, want to watch it.

>> Awkward time to come in, and I honestly almost fell asleep reading through a few pages.. but.. has noone done a Geass one yet? That'd. Be. Epic.

@Zman, if you're having such a sh*t day, then don't POST. I've had bad days, posted/pmed what I normally wouldn't but still got my point across. Yours just seems like rage.

@Role, I haven't been here since 0.2 -> 0.3.. nor the part where he promised frequent updates (or maybe I wasn't looking at the forums.. its a more recent thing) but, they have a point when it comes down to releasing an update complete, rather then in pieces/very buggy. Off the top of my head, I'll guess on sprite swapping.. for example. If he released a buggy version of that, in which it didn't call forth the right images, etc, more people would complain. But, the community could help fix it, so I see your point very well.

@Atrius, Thanks for taking the editor to even v0.4, it would take me too long to even begin thinking of hacking a GBA game without a simplified tool like this.

Try to make everything evolve on their own.
EG no Graveller + Trade = Golem..
[insert level region to evolve]

Also.. yeah, version specific pokemon really ruin the game to me. Its never a big enough thing that everyone has their gameboys and are out trading at recess, so IDK why they added.

>Levelling = Evolving for current required pokemon
>Catch 'Em All! = All 386 are avaliable
>Harder Battles = I've always thought the standard trainer battles were too easy..

The latest actual dream I had was like.. crazy. If anyone has ever read "The World Only God Knows", theres that system in place of Heaven, Hell, and Earth along with their included angels/devils/humans and so on with their jobs. It was kind of like character replacement <e.g. if one were to think of a character like Ivan for example, replacing the art, name and dialogue with something else, however still somewhat following the guidelines. So replacing Ivan with some other slightly-quiet person, or maybe an orphan, any common link>

Except, more as I was applying mixtures of games, real life, and books all in one. So, my interpretation of things got added into this chaotic hell, along with random devils running around removing runaway spirits from people's bodies. Basically, more characters, more story, more I-don't-know-whats-going-on.

Towards the end of that whole dream, everything mixed together and I "woke up" in another dream, in which it was a standard real-life day, stuck in school, and at different times of the day meet different people who all seem to have some knowledge from that "The World Only God Knows"-dream I had woken up from. Strangely enough, it wasn't all that strange of a thought to me.. probably because of adding the correct people/characters to their respective roles. It was intresting, and disturbing because right after that I had to really wake up and go to school, and its like.. TWO DAYS OF SCHOOL? FFFUUU-!!!!!!!!!

-The rest of the dreams I had are those ones you can control what goes on, so they aren't worth mention. Strangly enough, people say one way to determine wether its a dream or not is to look at something in your dream such as a sign, or paper, and to try and comprehend what it says. I've always been able to do that fine, but its supposed to come out at gibberish. E.G. a sign that, in real life, does say Test, would be completely off, fitting any random string of characters together to fill the space, so in this case 4 characters. -Oû»◙ might be a possible combination. Thoughts?

@@Rock: i think lalivero's song is also prox's song

Is it? I think lalivero's song is the one you could hear in Bilibin before you heal Tret.

It's in Vale, aswell, after beating Sol Sanctum, that's how it is. And Prox song is different from Lalivero's.

Lalivero also gets the normal town song after you kill the end boss, that's how it is.

Well! Its called "Hopelessness" and "Winterly Imil".. TTE OMOU! My favorite thing to say now, tho for some reason I cannot stop adding the -tte.

My Favorites were the theme for Imil, and the theme 'Hopelessness' that plays in the last town in Golden Sun.. Lavilero? I honestly can't remember.

Rock <genre> is for the win. rockisftw xD. For like all of my life, I've had to deal with there being no rock music station here. Saddening, but it made me wonder why noone listened to it. So I listened to it, liked it.
Then, typical texting language replaces the need for alot of typing; rockisftw.

The other two sisters would kill her dead before she could even do anything

Only if they teamed up. If this was going to be a free-for-all, they'd be helpless.

They'd beat the crap out of weaker sister together, first, and start fighting themselves. You can do that in a free for all, that how it is.

First thought is take out the strongest one, then mess around with whoevers left. Unless its obvious whose first AND second best, in which case 1 goes down, 2 goes down, and whoever feels weakest backstabs the last person alive <person 3>.

I'm clanless, though I think I was in Mars.. Uhh- GRIEVER, HELP?

Anyway;
Merry Christmas Jason, stay warm :D!

黄金の太陽 in, it's Golden Sun in Japanese.

...QQ I didn't even learn this yet. I see something resembling 'kin' no ... I give up. Its gotta be Taiyou somethin right, considering thats.. sun?
And I can try and help with the hack up until about mid-January as the irritation with school will begin again.